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legendary
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Can't you read? You lost the argument already. You have no arguments more intelligent to make than comparisons to Nazis, ergo you are done. And no, "bootlicker" isn't a Nazi thing.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bootlick?qsrc=2446
Hello nutildah.... you gave me a negative feedback few months ago because i "harrassed" someone who disrespected me and who is the same person below that start disrespecting you because of your opinion (he his called "TECSHARE") ... Be serious and honest, maybe you could think about removing your negative feedback on my profil and i'll remove mine. This is just my vision of the common sense i'm not here to offense you and i totally agree with your comment here. I don't disrespect people if they don't do it with me, so i think you are wrong by giving me this feedback but i totally understand why you thought you were right.

Thank you.

Okay Stanley, done.
legendary
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It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.


You're not even "pointing out" that the victim was a "bad guy." You're simply giving your opinion. I don't consider it reasonably worth sharing, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. By giving this opinion you can only be insinuating that maybe he got what he deserved. He didn't deserve it at all.

Back to licking boots for you.

"should have been treated with respect" and "He didn't deserve it at all" are in my dim, non-WOKE brain, pretty darn similar.

Now you can go back to popping bubbles.
legendary
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First Exclusion Ever
tears & vomit

Can't you read? You lost the argument already. You have no arguments more intelligent to make than comparisons to Nazis, ergo you are done. And no, "bootlicker" isn't a Nazi thing.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/bootlick?qsrc=2446
Hello nutildah.... you gave me a negative feedback few months ago because i "harrassed" someone who disrespected me and who is the same person below that start disrespecting you because of your opinion (he his called "TECSHARE") ... Be serious and honest, maybe you could think about removing your negative feedback on my profil and i'll remove mine. This is just my vision of the common sense i'm not here to offense you and i totally agree with your comment here. I don't disrespect people if they don't do it with me, so i think you are wrong by giving me this feedback but i totally understand why you thought you were right.

Thank you.

Okay Stanley, done.

Well shit, I didn't realize all one had to do was declare they won the argument and it magically makes it so. Let me try. I win! Give up Nutilduhh! That's fun. I especially like the part where you pretend you aren't making Nazi references. Also the off topic mutual exchange of removing negative ratings from a publicly documented extortionist and trust system abuser because you are so easily manipulated by your emotions was also a nice touch.
legendary
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Okay Stanley, done.

Thank you  Smiley

Have a good day.

Oh, that's soooo sweet!  I just love to see people cumming together to communicate, work out their differences, and live in peace and harmony together forever.

For my part, I don't actually mind having de-merits on my social credit score from people who are notable dumb-fucks of the type who would get off on such things (e.g., lauda).  If either of you wish to damage my social credit score, go for it.

Kudos to Thermos for trying, but I would call his fiefdom-wide social credit score attempts a failure.  And a reasonably predictable one.  Blame it on the frailties of human nature I suppose.

sr. member
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sr. member
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It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.


You're not even "pointing out" that the victim was a "bad guy." You're simply giving your opinion. I don't consider it reasonably worth sharing, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. By giving this opinion you can only be insinuating that maybe he got what he deserved. He didn't deserve it at all.

Back to licking boots for you.


Hello nutildah.... you gave me a negative feedback few months ago because i "harrassed" someone who disrespected me and who is the same person below that start disrespecting you because of your opinion (he his called "TECSHARE") ... Be serious and honest, maybe you could think about removing your negative feedback on my profil and i'll remove mine. This is just my vision of the common sense i'm not here to offense you and i totally agree with your comment here. I don't disrespect people if they don't do it with me, so i think you are wrong by giving me this feedback but i totally understand why you thought you were right.

Thank you.

Pathetic non-evidence of "resisting arrest." The other cop is standing there with his hands in his pockets. Doesn't exactly seem like he needed a knee to the neck for 8 minutes well afterward. Even if he was resisting arrest for 8 seconds, that's not an excuse to kill somebody after they fall to the ground later on. You are really straining to protect government overreach here.

Whipping out the Hitler comparisons extra early today, are we?

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/KsQsUhT.jpg[/img]

Tell me, what do you think your trendy hive mind leftard "bootlicker" mantra that gets used against anyone who disagrees with you stems from? This is where you lie and pretend it is not a Nazi reference. Calling everyone a Nazi got so played out and turned you into jokes, so you had to find a new creative allegory to call people Nazis without being so obvious.

You want to stop government overreach? Use examples of some one other than violent drug addict felons committing crimes as your poster boys. Its so weird how everyone is not behind pretending victimizers are victims isn't it? Also I noticed you totally avoided responding to the MUCH more serious issue of black on black violence, but that is par for the course for leftards like you.

There is no rage bait packed in that issue, no REEECISM to shout about, no one to call boot licker and target with your pre-programmed cognitive dissonance, so why bother? What is important is you get personal satisfaction from LAARPing as a hero, not that it is a bigger problem that needs a solution. Also if people addressed that issue, they might also have to address the fact that there are larger issues within the black community and culture that have nothing to do with racism.



Intent is irrelevant in this case. Chauvin is being charged with second degree unintentional murder, which is a step up from unintentional manslaughter, seemingly dependent on the level of "recklessness" involved.

[img width= 500]https://i.imgur.com/4IFi39U.png[/img]

As nobody here is a lawyer (let along a criminal lawyer) -- its not our place to argue either way. I'm sure bootlicking trolls here will make the argument for the lesser charge, but that's to be expected.

Regardless of what Chauvin gets convicted of, Floyd's past or blood contents do not factor in at all here. They're only being discussed to lend credence to the idea that his death was justified.

Nobody here is a lawyer, so it is not our place to argue, but of course your argument is valid.



You're not even "pointing out" that the victim was a "bad guy." You're simply giving your opinion. I don't consider it reasonably worth sharing, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. By giving this opinion you can only be insinuating that maybe he got what he deserved. He didn't deserve it at all.

Back to licking boots for you.

It is a fact he was a convicted violent felon. No one is saying he "got what he deserved". They are however saying he is by far not simply an innocent victim of racist circumstance as the media, and retards like you present him to be. He made choices that lead himself down that path. He put HIMSELF into that situation. This is all being portrayed as an innocent man minding his own business being victimized by circumstances beyond his control. This is totally a lie. You don't give a fuck about justice, if you did you would be bringing ACTUAL INNOCENTS harmed by police to the forefront. Instead we find you here regurgitating what the media and hive mind command of you like a social justice parrot bot.
legendary
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They aren't just highlighting police brutality, they are amplifying horrible examples of criminals doing dumb shit to intentionally create division over an issue most people agree about. Furthermore they have repeatedly pushed false narratives and hoaxes in order to create racial division and anger over the past 10 years or so, and have done more than the police themselves to create this situation.
True, there is definitely a political agenda behind. The US election are too close to be a coincidence.


Additionally these kind of events also happen to white people all the time, but the media never covers those incidents because it doesn't fuel their rage bait and political narratives, creating the false impression that this is only a problem for black people, again creating more racial division.
Tue, as a matter of fact, I wrote that 50% of policy brutality / murders are committed on white people.
And if you put in relation % of people in jail per color, I'm pretty sure that the % of white being killed is greater than the balcks in relation to incarcerated population (lack of tiem to find proper source).
Using a black victim allow to rally the afro americans, the latino amercians that are also victims, all the minorities and the "leftist" white and also some of the republican that have more than 2 brain cells and understand the police brutality issue.
Someone is being played, but we don't know who yet.
Regardless of that, if the police are pruning their staff of the bad apples, and start to being held accountable this would be somewhat a victory for all the future "victims".

The people creating this uprising don't give a GOOD GOD DAMN about justice for anyone, they are simply creating and using rage for their own monetary and political gains. This is exactly why I don't support any of this current situation, because it is enabling and benefiting the people doing the MOST to create these issues.
There is definitely and agenda, but it doesnt mean that the police brutality against citizen of all colour and sex is an issue.


I think I already answered your question with my previous replies regarding my covering of police brutality in the past. One measure I do support for example is the removal of qualified immunity for police which protects them from being sued. I am sure however that bill will also be loaded up with all kinds of other bullshit I don't support, because that is how these people work. It is never about justice, it is about achieving a means to an end, and fuck the principle of the matter. These people are just tools to be used to obtain their political and financial goals.

Someone is being played, but we don't know who yet.
One of the request of the #blacklivematter and the antifa and all the people that rallied behind the floyd movement is  to stop the police immunity.
Someone is being played, but we don't know who yet.

Chauvin had 17 complaints against him, most of them dismissed.
Is the USA a democracy where the police should be held accountable or is a martial law contry where the ones with the guns and the badge do what they want ?



legendary
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I will give it to you that the media is using this case to highlight police brutality and police abuse. There are way better case to highlt their points, and Floyd wouldn't have been my preferred choice.

But, the true question is the following: if Floyd was an abiding citizen that died to the hand of the police, would you have supported the current movement aiming to end police brutality? (I am not reffering to the looting, violence and destruction... just the peaceful action of saying enough is enough).

It is unfortunate, that Floyd is being martyrized as a hero, a figure to refer to for the young generation.
Yes he was a felon, yes he was a bad person, but, no, he didn't deserve to die that day.
There are pedophiles, mass murders, serial killers that are better treated than him, waiting for 5 - 10 years for sentencing on the death penalty.
Floyd, got killed for handing over a fake bill (we will never know if it was intentional or not!).


I also believe that better previous policy manslaughter/brutality/murder would have been a better case for exposing the bad cops.
But hey, the internet has decided that this case was the last straw that breaks the camel's back...

They aren't just highlighting police brutality, they are amplifying horrible examples of criminals doing dumb shit to intentionally create division over an issue most people agree about. Furthermore they have repeatedly pushed false narratives and hoaxes in order to create racial division and anger over the past 10 years or so, and have done more than the police themselves to create this situation.

Additionally these kind of events also happen to white people all the time, but the media never covers those incidents because it doesn't fuel their rage bait and political narratives, creating the false impression that this is only a problem for black people, again creating more racial division. The people creating this uprising don't give a GOOD GOD DAMN about justice for anyone, they are simply creating and using rage for their own monetary and political gains. This is exactly why I don't support any of this current situation, because it is enabling and benefiting the people doing the MOST to create these issues.

I think I already answered your question with my previous replies regarding my covering of police brutality in the past. One measure I do support for example is the removal of qualified immunity for police which protects them from being sued. I am sure however that bill will also be loaded up with all kinds of other bullshit I don't support, because that is how these people work. It is never about justice, it is about achieving a means to an end, and fuck the principle of the matter. These people are just tools to be used to obtain their political and financial goals.
legendary
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C.D.P.E.M
It is a fact he was a convicted violent felon. No one is saying he "got what he deserved". They are however saying he is by far not simply an innocent victim of racist circumstance as the media, and retards like you present him to be. He made choices that lead himself down that path. He put HIMSELF into that situation. This is all being portrayed as an innocent man minding his own business being victimized by circumstances beyond his control. This is totally a lie. You don't give a fuck about justice, if you did you would be bringing ACTUAL INNOCENTS harmed by police to the forefront. Instead we find you here regurgitating what the media and hive mind command of you like a social justice parrot bot.

I will give it to you that the media is using this case to highlight police brutality and police abuse. There are way better case to highlt their points, and Floyd wouldn't have been my preferred choice.

But, the true question is the following: if Floyd was an abiding citizen that died to the hand of the police, would you have supported the current movement aiming to end police brutality? (I am not reffering to the looting, violence and destruction... just the peaceful action of saying enough is enough).

It is unfortunate, that Floyd is being martyrized as a hero, a figure to refer to for the young generation.
Yes he was a felon, yes he was a bad person, but, no, he didn't deserve to die that day.
There are pedophiles, mass murders, serial killers that are better treated than him, waiting for 5 - 10 years for sentencing on the death penalty.
Floyd, got killed for handing over a fake bill (we will never know if it was intentional or not!).


I also believe that better previous policy manslaughter/brutality/murder would have been a better case for exposing the bad cops.
But hey, the internet has decided that this case was the last straw that breaks the camel's back


I'll repost here, that what I wrote somewhere else :


sources  = +/- 1000  police murders per year  : THE GUARDIAN COUNTED

% of the 1000 black  ? (is it more or less than the  12% of the US population ?)
% latinos  ? ( + or - than 16% of USA stats ?)
% white  ? ( + or- than 72.4 % of USA Stats ?)

results :
% of killed is different than % of the population (but not by too much)
white = 50% of the 1000 casualties ).
Black 24%
latinos  18%


Blacks are twice more killed than the % of the US population
Latinos  20% more
white =  30% less than the expected number.

Bon, these numbers are "skewed" anyway because (it is a fact) that black Americans and Latinos have a higher felony rate than white Americans (reference numbers of people in jail by skin color).
It could be based on the fact that police officers are more likely to arrests blacks or Latinos, or it could also be because they are not given the same work/employment opportunities ... this is another story.

sr. member
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there are multiple enterpretations of this,

the cop could be an antifa leftists trying to help black people loot

or he could be a rightwinger, try to scale up the damage of black protesters

Or he could be a power freak high on power, as he was shown to be in past events of his career. Floyd seems to have been high on some kind of meth at the time.

Cool

or just someone who wants to destroy something no one knows
legendary
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Pathetic non-evidence of "resisting arrest." The other cop is standing there with his hands in his pockets. Doesn't exactly seem like he needed a knee to the neck for 8 minutes well afterward. Even if he was resisting arrest for 8 seconds, that's not an excuse to kill somebody after they fall to the ground later on. You are really straining to protect government overreach here.

Whipping out the Hitler comparisons extra early today, are we?

[img ]https://i.imgur.com/KsQsUhT.jpg[/img]

Tell me, what do you think your trendy hive mind leftard "bootlicker" mantra that gets used against anyone who disagrees with you stems from? This is where you lie and pretend it is not a Nazi reference. Calling everyone a Nazi got so played out and turned you into jokes, so you had to find a new creative allegory to call people Nazis without being so obvious.

You want to stop government overreach? Use examples of some one other than violent drug addict felons committing crimes as your poster boys. Its so weird how everyone is not behind pretending victimizers are victims isn't it? Also I noticed you totally avoided responding to the MUCH more serious issue of black on black violence, but that is par for the course for leftards like you.

There is no rage bait packed in that issue, no REEECISM to shout about, no one to call boot licker and target with your pre-programmed cognitive dissonance, so why bother? What is important is you get personal satisfaction from LAARPing as a hero, not that it is a bigger problem that needs a solution. Also if people addressed that issue, they might also have to address the fact that there are larger issues within the black community and culture that have nothing to do with racism.



Intent is irrelevant in this case. Chauvin is being charged with second degree unintentional murder, which is a step up from unintentional manslaughter, seemingly dependent on the level of "recklessness" involved.

[img width= 500]https://i.imgur.com/4IFi39U.png[/img]

As nobody here is a lawyer (let along a criminal lawyer) -- its not our place to argue either way. I'm sure bootlicking trolls here will make the argument for the lesser charge, but that's to be expected.

Regardless of what Chauvin gets convicted of, Floyd's past or blood contents do not factor in at all here. They're only being discussed to lend credence to the idea that his death was justified.

Nobody here is a lawyer, so it is not our place to argue, but of course your argument is valid.



You're not even "pointing out" that the victim was a "bad guy." You're simply giving your opinion. I don't consider it reasonably worth sharing, as it has nothing to do with the issue at hand. By giving this opinion you can only be insinuating that maybe he got what he deserved. He didn't deserve it at all.

Back to licking boots for you.

It is a fact he was a convicted violent felon. No one is saying he "got what he deserved". They are however saying he is by far not simply an innocent victim of racist circumstance as the media, and retards like you present him to be. He made choices that lead himself down that path. He put HIMSELF into that situation. This is all being portrayed as an innocent man minding his own business being victimized by circumstances beyond his control. This is totally a lie. You don't give a fuck about justice, if you did you would be bringing ACTUAL INNOCENTS harmed by police to the forefront. Instead we find you here regurgitating what the media and hive mind command of you like a social justice parrot bot.
legendary
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Rationalizing somebody being murdered for passing a fake $20 bill... That's a new low even for this infected colon of the forum.






https://www.insideedition.com/george-floyd-was-a-regular-at-store-that-called-911-and-may-not-have-known-bill-was-possibly-fake
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The Minneapolis corner market where a store clerk called police on a George Floyd over an alleged fake $20 bill before his fatal arrest will no longer call police when they suspect counterfeit money, unless the situation turns violent...

"Everyone that knew George knew him as very friendly, very kind, caring, jovial"...

It's very possible that Floyd may never have known the bill he handed over was fake, according to experts...

What evidence backs your assertion that he was resisting arrest? Or are you just taking the cops' word for it?

He was handcuffed when he fell to the ground and then got a knee to the neck -- he wasn't exactly going anywhere. I just have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with anyone who would attempt to justify the behavior of the police in this situation.

Something is screwed in the quotes above. Here's what I had to say about the entire fiasco.

It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.

legendary
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Rationalizing somebody being murdered for passing a fake $20 bill... That's a new low even for this infected colon of the forum.

Pointing out the battles of the prosecution isn't supporting the idea that someone should be murdered for using a fake 20. Not sure why you think I'm on the side of Derek Chauvin acting appropriately here because I don't think he did.

He was handcuffed when he fell to the ground and then got a knee to the neck -- he wasn't exactly going anywhere. I just have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with anyone who would attempt to justify the behavior of the police in this situation.

I posted a link earlier on about how handcuffed suspects can still be a threat but nonetheless that doesn't justify a 9 minute duration of a knee to the neck. Chauvin is negligent and he was rightfully fired. My point was strictly made to address a legal perspective which  was can you prove intent to murder when Floyd died from a heart attack after resisting? Manslaughter sounds appropriate, but hey, I'm not a lawyer so what do I know. But you absolutely do have instances where people get overcharged with crimes which end up in an acquittal.
legendary
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The media covers a lot of police killings of innocent people -- it happens all the time: that's the problem.

Regardless of the situation, death by execution is not a fit punishment for doing meth and fentanyl. Nor is it for being a "violent felon."

Again, you said he resisted arrest. When? Nowhere in any of the video footage was he shown to be "resisting arrest."

Keeping sucking on those boots if that's what makes you feel less afraid of the world. It is big and scary out there, after all.

Really they don't. They do however cover lots of people engaged in criminal activity that get themselves killed by being stupid and act as if they are totally innocent. No, death is not a fit punishment, however in most of these cases if they weren't engaged in criminal activity or resisting arrest, none of it would have happened to begin with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofp1tcVg1e8

Just because people refuse to join your social justice cult doesn't make them all literally Hitler. You have fun with your LAARPing imagining yourself to be a freedom fighter hero fighting injustice though.
legendary
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Rationalizing somebody being murdered for passing a fake $20 bill... That's a new low even for this infected colon of the forum.






https://www.insideedition.com/george-floyd-was-a-regular-at-store-that-called-911-and-may-not-have-known-bill-was-possibly-fake
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The Minneapolis corner market where a store clerk called police on a George Floyd over an alleged fake $20 bill before his fatal arrest will no longer call police when they suspect counterfeit money, unless the situation turns violent...

"Everyone that knew George knew him as very friendly, very kind, caring, jovial"...

It's very possible that Floyd may never have known the bill he handed over was fake, according to experts...

What evidence backs your assertion that he was resisting arrest? Or are you just taking the cops' word for it?

He was handcuffed when he fell to the ground and then got a knee to the neck -- he wasn't exactly going anywhere. I just have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with anyone who would attempt to justify the behavior of the police in this situation.

No one is rationalizing anything but you. So many innocent people killed by police every year, but the media never covers them, and instead picks the violent felons dying doing dumb shit like doing meth and fentanyl and resisting arrest to support because TV and Twatter said so. You are fucking brainless automatons. Furthermore black on black violence kills many multiple times more than police do, but lets all pretend that doesn't exist cause MUH RAYSHISM and BOOTLICKERZ!


"Media's 'Racial Injustice' Blind Spot: Over 30 Shot In Another Deadly Chicago Weekend"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/medias-racial-injustice-blind-spot-over-30-shot-another-deadly-chicago-weekend
legendary
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Yes the deceased had a previous heart condition, yes he was under the influence of drugs.
Would he have died that day, just walking on the pavement, going by his day if the police didnt restrain and suffocate him ? That is the question to answer.

Obviously no, but Floyd was detained with reasonable suspicion of committing a crime so this argument does not hold up. If police arrest a guy while he's high on methamphetamine and has a heart attack during his arrest, do the police get charged for murder? If the individual was arrested for no reason, then potentially they'll get charged for something. But the police cannot be held liable for someone dying when they resisted if they used legal submission tactics, and the Minneapolis Police Department allows neck holds to gain control of suspects. The reason for Floyd's arrest was legitimate, and by released CCTV footage, it shows that the submission tactics was also legitimate because Floyd was resisting.

The autopsy report showed underlying conditions to contribute to Floyd's death, and he was on drugs during his arrest. This isn't a slam dunk case for the prosecution.


The cop is charged with 2nd-degree murder but also to 3rd-degree manslaughter (easier to prove).

They upgraded the charges to 2nd degree murder. I'm not sure of the double jeopardy laws but from my understanding, I don't think they'd be able to charge him for 3rd degree murder if they fail to get a conviction for 2nd degree, maybe wrong though. Another distinction, you can have a homicide but still not have a murder. A homicide is simply when one human being is killed by another. If police kill an active shooter who murdered 13 people prior to raising a gun to police, the shooter's death would be classified a homicide. Homicide does not indicate intent/fault for murder.
legendary
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Anyone that's arrested should of course be treated well but maintaining control of the suspect was still necessary, especially if he resisted and was acting erratic. The issue of negligence could be made when Chauvin placed his knee on the back of Floyd's neck for too long, but he's being charged with 2nd degree murder so a prosecution is going to have to prove intent. Because handcuffed suspects can still pose a threat, the prosecution has an uphill battle to go through considering the fact Floyd died of essentially a heart attack, not strangulation.


Yes the deceased had a previous heart condition, yes he was under the influence of drugs.
Would he have died that day, just walking on the pavement, going by his day if the police didnt restrain and suffocate him ? That is the question to answer.

The cop is charged with 2nd-degree murder but also to 3rd-degree manslaughter (easier to prove).


I'll  copy this here :
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Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida’s medical examiners commission, agreed. Even if someone with severe heart disease died of a heart attack during a purse-snatching, “we’d still call it a homicide,” he said.



Also, on an almost funny note :
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“The coronavirus had nothing to do with his death, that’s the important thing.”

(FYI the autopsy deteced that Floyd, had Covid19, but it didn't kill him)
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The autopsy says Floyd tested positive for the new coronavirus on April 3 and that a nose swab during the autopsy found signs of the virus


source : https://globalnews.ca/news/7029209/george-floyd-autopsy-experts/

Floyd tested positive for CV ? ? ?

It will be called a Covid death. Covid did it. They will let the cops go free.

Cool
legendary
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Anyone that's arrested should of course be treated well but maintaining control of the suspect was still necessary, especially if he resisted and was acting erratic. The issue of negligence could be made when Chauvin placed his knee on the back of Floyd's neck for too long, but he's being charged with 2nd degree murder so a prosecution is going to have to prove intent. Because handcuffed suspects can still pose a threat, the prosecution has an uphill battle to go through considering the fact Floyd died of essentially a heart attack, not strangulation.


Yes the deceased had a previous heart condition, yes he was under the influence of drugs.
Would he have died that day, just walking on the pavement, going by his day if the police didnt restrain and suffocate him ? That is the question to answer.

The cop is charged with 2nd-degree murder but also to 3rd-degree manslaughter (easier to prove).


I'll  copy this here :
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Dr. Stephen Nelson, chairman of Florida’s medical examiners commission, agreed. Even if someone with severe heart disease died of a heart attack during a purse-snatching, “we’d still call it a homicide,” he said.



Also, on an almost funny note :
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“The coronavirus had nothing to do with his death, that’s the important thing.”

(FYI the autopsy deteced that Floyd, had Covid19, but it didn't kill him)
Quote
The autopsy says Floyd tested positive for the new coronavirus on April 3 and that a nose swab during the autopsy found signs of the virus


source : https://globalnews.ca/news/7029209/george-floyd-autopsy-experts/
legendary
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It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.

Yes, but it is also very relevant to mention...

-He was on dangerous stimulants and CNS depressant drugs (meth +fentanyl)
-He did in fact resist arrest
-He was a violent convicted felon
-He had drugs on him

The media conveniently leaves all of these facts out. There are plenty of completely innocent people killed by cops, this is not the case here. That doesn't make it ok, but this is a form of gaslighting and psychological warfare designed to sow division. They always blow the cases of criminals getting hurt doing dumb shit out of proportion and act like they are innocent while totally ignoring actually totally innocent people getting killed. This is specifically designed to destroy the nation by creating division, hatred, unrest, and more violence. IMO the media doing this is far more dangerous than the police ever could be.

To add some context to this, even though George Floyd was handcuffed, handcuffed suspects can still pose a threat.

Example - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUmMMA9LtJs

Anyone that's arrested should of course be treated well but maintaining control of the suspect was still necessary, especially if he resisted and was acting erratic. The issue of negligence could be made when Chauvin placed his knee on the back of Floyd's neck for too long, but he's being charged with 2nd degree murder so a prosecution is going to have to prove intent. Because handcuffed suspects can still pose a threat, the prosecution has an uphill battle to go through considering the fact Floyd died of essentially a heart attack, not strangulation.
legendary
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It's reasonable to point out that the victim was, in fact, a bad guy.

But this remains an incident where the bad guy, being arrested, should have been treated with respect.

Yes, but it is also very relevant to mention...

-He was on dangerous stimulants and CNS depressant drugs (meth +fentanyl)
-He did in fact resist arrest
-He was a violent convicted felon
-He had drugs on him

The media conveniently leaves all of these facts out. There are plenty of completely innocent people killed by cops, this is not the case here. That doesn't make it ok, but this is a form of gaslighting and psychological warfare designed to sow division. They always blow the cases of criminals getting hurt doing dumb shit out of proportion and act like they are innocent while totally ignoring actually totally innocent people getting killed. This is specifically designed to destroy the nation by creating division, hatred, unrest, and more violence. IMO the media doing this is far more dangerous than the police ever could be.
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