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Quote from: rdluffy on October 25, 2024, 07:25:25 AM

Yesterday Corinthians played against Racing (Arg) and drew, 2x2
I still don't know how Corinthians managed to reach the semi-final of the Copa do Brasil and the semi-final of the Sudamericana

Unfortunately the team didn't manage to beat Racing in São Paulo and next week it's going to be VERY difficult to get a win there in Argentina, but in these situations Corinthians manages to get some unexplained victories

What do you think?

Could the final be Brazilian?

I bet on Corinthians but ended up losing. It was a good game to watch. I really believe they should play well at Racing's home ground. I don't see any reason for them to be unmotivated there. Everything is equal and it all depends on them.

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Yesterday Corinthians played against Racing (Arg) and drew, 2x2
I still don't know how Corinthians managed to reach the semi-final of the Copa do Brasil and the semi-final of the Sudamericana

Unfortunately the team didn't manage to beat Racing in São Paulo and next week it's going to be VERY difficult to get a win there in Argentina, but in these situations Corinthians manages to get some unexplained victories

What do you think?

Could the final be Brazilian?

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Quote from: rdluffy on October 04, 2024, 07:06:20 AM

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In recent years, we have seen more and more small teams competing head-to-head against big names like Corinthians, Palmeiras, São Paulo, Flamengo, etc. Teams like Fortaleza and Botafogo have not been performing well (I can't remember the last time Botafogo won a title). I believe that the homogeneity of these teams will still prevail, Palmeiras is on its way to its third championship (if Botafogo gets careless again).

Quote from: Pumared on October 04, 2024, 07:50:52 AM

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This could be Corinthians' chance to redeem itself with its fans if it at least reaches the final of the Sudamericanas and if it doesn't get relegated to Serie B, it will already be an achievement for the "gaviões da fiel".

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 02, 2024, 08:50:36 PM

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I believe that Corinthians and Racing will be decided on penalties. Racing is better but Corinthians is meeting with its new signings. Until then they will have a lot to train and understand. But they must focus first on the Brazilian championship to avoid relegation.

It will be a big step for Corinthians if they win the Sudamericana title, in addition to guaranteeing a direct spot in next year's Libertadores. As for the Brasileirão, their only fight is not to be relegated this year, since the team's priority apparently is this championship.

I think the same thing, I believe that the focus is precisely on securing places next year. But the way they are playing they might even be able to get out of the relegation zone, but the other teams need to collaborate too, nobody wants to get relegated.

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Quote from: Pumared on October 02, 2024, 08:36:30 AM

I believe that Corinthians and Racing will be decided on penalties. Racing is better but Corinthians is meeting with its new signings. Until then they will have a lot to train and understand. But they must focus first on the Brazilian championship to avoid relegation.

I don't doubt that qualification will be decided on penalties, after all it's the Corinthians way, always difficult and suffering, in the last moments, when nobody believes anymore hahaha
It´s a good bet to Corinthians classify on penalties

Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 02, 2024, 08:50:36 PM

It will be a big step for Corinthians if they win the Sudamericana title, in addition to guaranteeing a direct spot in next year's Libertadores. As for the Brasileirão, their only fight is not to be relegated this year, since the team's priority apparently is this championship.

You can imagine the following situation: Corinthians in the final of the Sudamericana, even being champions, and being relegated in the Brazilian championship Roll Eyes

Maybe looks like a lie, but it could happen, there's a good chance of it

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Quote from: Pumared on October 02, 2024, 08:36:30 AM

I believe that Corinthians and Racing will be decided on penalties. Racing is better but Corinthians is meeting with its new signings. Until then they will have a lot to train and understand. But they must focus first on the Brazilian championship to avoid relegation.

It will be a big step for Corinthians if they win the Sudamericana title, in addition to guaranteeing a direct spot in next year's Libertadores. As for the Brasileirão, their only fight is not to be relegated this year, since the team's priority apparently is this championship.

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Quote from: rdluffy on October 02, 2024, 07:04:38 AM

This is the semi finals:

To me, it will be good to see Corinthians and Cruzeiro in the final Cool

It won't be easy for both brazilian teams, specially Corinthians. Racing is a tough opponent, and the bad thing for brazilians is, both matches will be decided in Argentina, so it's even harder

I think it's a good bet on Corinthians in the first match at least

What are your predictions in final?

I believe that Corinthians and Racing will be decided on penalties. Racing is better but Corinthians is meeting with its new signings. Until then they will have a lot to train and understand. But they must focus first on the Brazilian championship to avoid relegation.

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This is the semi finals:

To me, it will be good to see Corinthians and Cruzeiro in the final Cool

It won't be easy for both brazilian teams, specially Corinthians. Racing is a tough opponent, and the bad thing for brazilians is, both matches will be decided in Argentina, so it's even harder

I think it's a good bet on Corinthians in the first match at least

What are your predictions in final?

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on October 01, 2024, 05:19:05 PM

I'm rooting for Cruzeiro, after all, this is the first time in 15 years that Cruzeiro has reached the semifinals of an international tournament, a great milestone for the club!

Corinthians, on the other hand, has managed to balance its last few games, but its opponent isn't to be underestimated, after all, Racing had a better campaign during the group stage. If Corinthians is smart, it cannot let its arrogance take over and let itself go.

Corinthians seem to be on the rise in recent games, and will probably come out on top in this game, as they still have a chance to win both the Copa Sudamericana and the Copa do Brasil. I also think Cruzeiro will beat Lanus, and we could possibly have a final with Brazilian teams. I would prefer a final with teams from different countries, as I believe the rivalry is much greater and the quality of the game is much better.

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I'm rooting for Cruzeiro, after all, this is the first time in 15 years that Cruzeiro has reached the semifinals of an international tournament, a great milestone for the club!

Corinthians, on the other hand, has managed to balance its last few games, but its opponent isn't to be underestimated, after all, Racing had a better campaign during the group stage. If Corinthians is smart, it cannot let its arrogance take over and let itself go.

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on September 27, 2024, 06:12:38 PM

Athletico was crushed by Racing 4-1 in the first leg and, whatever happened, the strategy adopted by the club didn't work. It seems that the club wanted to simplify things but underestimated the Argentine club. The goal from the outside of the area by Argentine midfielder Almendra was one of the highlights of the match.

I was expecting Athletico to make it to the semis, with only Corinthians and Cruzeiro from the brazilian clubs advancing to the next round, now I'm rooting for Cruzeiro!

They simplified it so much that they forgot to train the defense and the goalkeeper. I don't know what strategy they used, but they should never try it again. I understand that Racing is strong, but nothing justifies this amount of goals.

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Athletico was crushed by Racing 4-1 in the first leg and, whatever happened, the strategy adopted by the club didn't work. It seems that the club wanted to simplify things but underestimated the Argentine club. The goal from the outside of the area by Argentine midfielder Almendra was one of the highlights of the match.

I was expecting Athletico to make it to the semis, with only Corinthians and Cruzeiro from the brazilian clubs advancing to the next round, now I'm rooting for Cruzeiro!

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 26, 2024, 09:12:43 PM

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I mentioned above what I thought of the game. But something I noticed is that Memphis seems like an average player. I could be wrong, but he didn't do much on the field. He only came on after Fortaleza was in its "varzea team" mode. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in a big game.

Hehe, let's see in a few games about the potential of Memphis
In my opinion, most of foreign players think that they will play like a boss in campeonato brasileiro but the reality is: brasileirao is the most competitive league, sometimes even small clubs are able to stop a bigger team

Right now Corinthias is already classified together with Lanus

Only waiting for Cruzeiro and Racing to confirm their classification
The semi finals will be very interesting

I agree, and since Fortaleza is gone, I will follow Corinthians. I thought Fortaleza would have a similar campaign as last time. But now I have to root for any Brazilian team. And I still want to see the all-powerful Memphis in the games, because I have yet to see him play when the game is not won.

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Quote from: Pumared on September 26, 2024, 07:23:30 AM

I mentioned above what I thought of the game. But something I noticed is that Memphis seems like an average player. I could be wrong, but he didn't do much on the field. He only came on after Fortaleza was in its "varzea team" mode. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in a big game.

Hehe, let's see in a few games about the potential of Memphis
In my opinion, most of foreign players think that they will play like a boss in campeonato brasileiro but the reality is: brasileirao is the most competitive league, sometimes even small clubs are able to stop a bigger team

Right now Corinthias is already classified together with Lanus

Only waiting for Cruzeiro and Racing to confirm their classification
The semi finals will be very interesting

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 25, 2024, 07:36:54 PM

Hey @Pumared
Do you have anything to say about Fortaleza? Cheesy

Incredibly, they lost to Corinthians again 3x0
To me it's a good moment to bet on Corinthians, another earned bet to me hehehehe

I mentioned above what I thought of the game. But something I noticed is that Memphis seems like an average player. I could be wrong, but he didn't do much on the field. He only came on after Fortaleza was in its "varzea team" mode. I'm looking forward to seeing him play in a big game.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 25, 2024, 06:26:50 PM

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Now the question is, will Corinthians remain the favorite until they win the title?

Just because they thrashed Fortaleza, you already think they're the favorite? Tongue

In fact, this is something that even Corinthians' biggest enemy can't help but say... Corinthians is doing very well in the championship and has a good chance of winning.

I believe that Athletico will be able to beat Racing and be a problem for Corinthians in the next match, but it's still too early to bet on that result... let's see what happens until then.
But, if I had to bet on a winner for this championship today, my bet would certainly be in favor of Corinthians.

Have you also seen the value of the prizes that Corinthians has already secured? US$900,000 in the group stage, US$600,000 in the round of 16, US$700,000 in the quarterfinals and US$800,000 in the semifinals. CONMEBOL also estimates that the champion of the competition will receive US$6 million in prize money and the runner-up US$2 million.

That's a good amount of money! I didn't know the prizes were so generous in this tournament. Maybe it happened like in the Copa do Brasil, where in the past the prizes were irrelevant, but in order to capture more engagement in recent years the organizer decided to give out super prizes as well. Football that is really well managed is a money-making machine. It's a shame that most club managers can't raise money properly, they only think about spending it:

Website with prize amounts for the Copa do Brasil (in Portuguese):

https://www.cnnbrasil.com.br/esportes/futebol/copa-do-brasil-2024-veja-os-valores-das-premiacoes-de-cada-fase/#:~:text=Neste%20ano%2C%20o%20vencedor%20da,R%24%204%2C5%20milhões.

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Hey @Pumared
Do you have anything to say about Fortaleza? Cheesy

Incredibly, they lost to Corinthians again 3x0
To me it's a good moment to bet on Corinthians, another earned bet to me hehehehe

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Quote from: Forsyth Jones on September 25, 2024, 05:43:03 PM

Now the question is, will Corinthians remain the favorite until they win the title?

Just because they thrashed Fortaleza, you already think they're the favorite? Tongue

In fact, this is something that even Corinthians' biggest enemy can't help but say... Corinthians is doing very well in the championship and has a good chance of winning.

I believe that Athletico will be able to beat Racing and be a problem for Corinthians in the next match, but it's still too early to bet on that result... let's see what happens until then.
But, if I had to bet on a winner for this championship today, my bet would certainly be in favor of Corinthians.

Have you also seen the value of the prizes that Corinthians has already secured? US$900,000 in the group stage, US$600,000 in the round of 16, US$700,000 in the quarterfinals and US$800,000 in the semifinals. CONMEBOL also estimates that the champion of the competition will receive US$6 million in prize money and the runner-up US$2 million.

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It seems that Corinthians' recent signings are having an effect. In the game against Fortaleza, they managed to score 3 more goals, completely dominating the match, for a team that had already been playing poorly. Now the question is, will Corinthians remain the favorite until they win the title?

I found this bizarre, because if I had bet on this match, I'd definitely have bet on either Fortaleza winning or drawing with Corinthians.

As for the other brazilian clubs, I believe that Athletico-PR will advance to the semi-finals and Cruzeiro too. At least one of these teams, besides 'Timão', should advance to the next phase and maybe we will have a brazilian champion club this year.

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At the beginning of the game, Fortaleza seemed like they would achieve something. But they should have done something in the first half. They didn't, I admit they tried. In the second half, after the first goal, it was all downhill. It seemed like they had never played before. The defense looked scared. It was distressing to watch.

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