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December 02, 2024, 06:57:14 AM
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In recent years, football has become a sport in which a team's financial situation has greatly helped in its achievements in domestic or foreign competitions, and it seems to me that in the Brazilian league, the smaller teams are in better financial conditions when compared to the smaller teams in the leagues of other South American countries, as is the quality of the squad, which is why I'm not surprised to see Brazilian teams having a better chance of winning South American competitions and even in cases where they don't win, at least Brazilian teams manage to go further.


Brazilian football is in a phase of professionalization of football management, which was initiated by Flamengo and Palmeiras, and soon after the "SAF" entered to invest heavily in football and clubs, so it is somewhat natural that Brazil stands out in these championships, the rest of the clubs in South America are falling behind in management (I believe)... This for me is one of the reasons for all this difference.

Exactly, this issue of alternation is so important to create competitiveness that we don't have a team that always wins. Brazil is really at a high level in South America. But, there is still a long way to go before it can get close to European football.
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November 30, 2024, 05:40:59 AM
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In recent years, football has become a sport in which a team's financial situation has greatly helped in its achievements in domestic or foreign competitions, and it seems to me that in the Brazilian league, the smaller teams are in better financial conditions when compared to the smaller teams in the leagues of other South American countries, as is the quality of the squad, which is why I'm not surprised to see Brazilian teams having a better chance of winning South American competitions and even in cases where they don't win, at least Brazilian teams manage to go further.


Brazilian football is in a phase of professionalization of football management, which was initiated by Flamengo and Palmeiras, and soon after the "SAF" entered to invest heavily in football and clubs, so it is somewhat natural that Brazil stands out in these championships, the rest of the clubs in South America are falling behind in management (I believe)... This for me is one of the reasons for all this difference.
[/quote]South American football is gradually gaining more space, who knows, maybe we will have a brazilian club competing in the Club World Cup final again.

It's good to see this alternation of winners in championships like the South American, on the other hand, clubs that don't become more professional and start to behave like a company, such as seeking greater financial balance, seeking more foreign investors and making signings without putting the clubs in debt will end up falling behind.
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November 29, 2024, 03:15:16 PM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.

It's great to see teams from other countries winning too, this is good for South American football as a whole to become stronger and stronger, after all, in recent years only Brazilian teams have been winning these "stronger" continental tournaments:

Libertadores, the last non-Brazilian champion was River Plate in 2018, only in the Sulamericana cup has there been a rotation of teams... I hope this changes soon and that the other South American teams can also become protagonists of more continental tournaments.


In recent years, football has become a sport in which a team's financial situation has greatly helped in its achievements in domestic or foreign competitions, and it seems to me that in the Brazilian league, the smaller teams are in better financial conditions when compared to the smaller teams in the leagues of other South American countries, as is the quality of the squad, which is why I'm not surprised to see Brazilian teams having a better chance of winning South American competitions and even in cases where they don't win, at least Brazilian teams manage to go further.


Brazilian football is in a phase of professionalization of football management, which was initiated by Flamengo and Palmeiras, and soon after the "SAF" entered to invest heavily in football and clubs, so it is somewhat natural that Brazil stands out in these championships, the rest of the clubs in South America are falling behind in management (I believe)... This for me is one of the reasons for all this difference.
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November 29, 2024, 01:15:02 PM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.

It's great to see teams from other countries winning too, this is good for South American football as a whole to become stronger and stronger, after all, in recent years only Brazilian teams have been winning these "stronger" continental tournaments:

Libertadores, the last non-Brazilian champion was River Plate in 2018, only in the Sulamericana cup has there been a rotation of teams... I hope this changes soon and that the other South American teams can also become protagonists of more continental tournaments.


I even thought that since a Brazilian lost to a team that hadn't beaten them in years, the Brazilians could be worse off. But it turns out that the teams that go to the "Sula" end up not being that strong. So, once again, all the credit to Racing!
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November 28, 2024, 01:42:14 PM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.

It's great to see teams from other countries winning too, this is good for South American football as a whole to become stronger and stronger, after all, in recent years only Brazilian teams have been winning these "stronger" continental tournaments:

Libertadores, the last non-Brazilian champion was River Plate in 2018, only in the Sulamericana cup has there been a rotation of teams... I hope this changes soon and that the other South American teams can also become protagonists of more continental tournaments.


In recent years, football has become a sport in which a team's financial situation has greatly helped in its achievements in domestic or foreign competitions, and it seems to me that in the Brazilian league, the smaller teams are in better financial conditions when compared to the smaller teams in the leagues of other South American countries, as is the quality of the squad, which is why I'm not surprised to see Brazilian teams having a better chance of winning South American competitions and even in cases where they don't win, at least Brazilian teams manage to go further.
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November 28, 2024, 10:32:29 AM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.

It's great to see teams from other countries winning too, this is good for South American football as a whole to become stronger and stronger, after all, in recent years only Brazilian teams have been winning these "stronger" continental tournaments:

Libertadores, the last non-Brazilian champion was River Plate in 2018, only in the Sulamericana cup has there been a rotation of teams... I hope this changes soon and that the other South American teams can also become protagonists of more continental tournaments.
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November 28, 2024, 08:39:03 AM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.

Breaking a drought of several years without international titles. This should be glorified, besides, as you mentioned, beating three Brazilians. It is a deserved victory, without a shadow of a doubt. And for Cruzeiro, the prize for the second, which is also not so bad.
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November 28, 2024, 02:23:14 AM
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Congratulations to Racing, Argentine victory! It was painful to see Cruzeiro concede another goal in the last 20 seconds of the game while they were giving their last gasp in search of a miraculous draw. The team was very competent, beating all 3 Brazilian clubs.
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November 26, 2024, 07:39:44 AM
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Nobody is gonna congratulate Racing club of Avellaneda for being the winner of this tournament?  Cheesy Grin

Poor racing hahaha, is one of the most "cursed" team in Argentina, so good for them to finally win something. Racing was the first winner of the Libertadores and also winner of the International cup back in the 60´.


The short answer is no.  Grin Grin Grin But Cruzeiro also has its merits for getting this far. But congratulations to Racing, if I'm not mistaken they've gone more than thirty years without winning any international titles. And in 1999 they overcame bankruptcy and reorganized themselves as 'SAF'. They really deserve everything that's been happening! Congratulations to Racing!
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November 25, 2024, 03:42:21 PM
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Nobody is gonna congratulate Racing club of Avellaneda for being the winner of this tournament?  Cheesy Grin

Poor racing hahaha, is one of the most "cursed" team in Argentina, so good for them to finally win something. Racing was the first winner of the Libertadores and also winner of the International cup back in the 60´.
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November 10, 2024, 06:46:58 AM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.

The quality of the games is a little lower, because the teams that qualify for this championship are the teams that usually fail to qualify for the Copa Libertadores. I consider the Copa Sudamericana to be a sort of second division of the continental tournament, with the Copa Libertadores being equivalent to the first division.

I hadn't stopped to think about it that way. It really is like the second division, but I always catch myself thinking that the Libertadores champion always loses to the winner of the "Sula". I know it's just my impression, but I always question myself about it.

It's something I also think about with the international club championship, the World Cup. I always think that any Brazilian team can be better or at least compete with the champion. It's really just a matter of timing.

Well since we are all from here we all know how good was the Sudamericana in his first edition it was like a second Libertadores, because the same teams plays at super high level, when Sudamericana starts to be a second tier and the top teams only play in Libertadores Sudamericana starts to lose his quality.

In the past, few teams managed to qualify for the Libertadores, only the top 4 in the Brazilian championship, today came 6 spots + the spot from the Brazilian Cup, that is, only teams with average performance qualify for the South American, perhaps it is a strategy to give a chance to be champion to the team that could not have a good season in the Brazilian championship, or also to move more prize money between these average teams, that is, to try to balance the finances of the championships... well, this is just my speculation.
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November 08, 2024, 11:50:43 AM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.

The quality of the games is a little lower, because the teams that qualify for this championship are the teams that usually fail to qualify for the Copa Libertadores. I consider the Copa Sudamericana to be a sort of second division of the continental tournament, with the Copa Libertadores being equivalent to the first division.

I hadn't stopped to think about it that way. It really is like the second division, but I always catch myself thinking that the Libertadores champion always loses to the winner of the "Sula". I know it's just my impression, but I always question myself about it.

It's something I also think about with the international club championship, the World Cup. I always think that any Brazilian team can be better or at least compete with the champion. It's really just a matter of timing.

Well since we are all from here we all know how good was the Sudamericana in his first edition it was like a second Libertadores, because the same teams plays at super high level, when Sudamericana starts to be a second tier and the top teams only play in Libertadores Sudamericana starts to lose his quality.
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November 08, 2024, 07:01:29 AM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.

The quality of the games is a little lower, because the teams that qualify for this championship are the teams that usually fail to qualify for the Copa Libertadores. I consider the Copa Sudamericana to be a sort of second division of the continental tournament, with the Copa Libertadores being equivalent to the first division.

I hadn't stopped to think about it that way. It really is like the second division, but I always catch myself thinking that the Libertadores champion always loses to the winner of the "Sula". I know it's just my impression, but I always question myself about it.

It's something I also think about with the international club championship, the World Cup. I always think that any Brazilian team can be better or at least compete with the champion. It's really just a matter of timing.
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November 08, 2024, 06:01:19 AM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.

The quality of the games is a little lower, because the teams that qualify for this championship are the teams that usually fail to qualify for the Copa Libertadores. I consider the Copa Sudamericana to be a sort of second division of the continental tournament, with the Copa Libertadores being equivalent to the first division.
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November 06, 2024, 06:16:57 PM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.
Everything was as it should be, a classic between two South American clubs, brazil vs. Argentina, with an Argentine and a brazilian club facing off to decide who will take home the trophy.

The teams have already faced each other three times in finals.
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November 06, 2024, 01:16:53 PM
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I just found this thread, well this racing its not nearby to be good, they have some names but they are not so good. They are super irregular also. I dont know how Racing manage to go into the final, i think they ahve a big luck in the first game against Corinthians with two majestic goals.

About Cruziero - Racing final..... i dont know what to think i see the whole Cruzeiro Boca game and it was pathetic by Cruzeiro Boca with one less man for the whole match was nearby to win it. But Racing is also not a reliable team.
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November 01, 2024, 03:17:14 PM
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You was right Forsyth Jones, Corinthians lost the game for Racing and lost the best chance of the year
The team started really good, playing better than Racing, and even scored a goal first, they make me believe in a final against Cruzeiro...


... but them Corinthians turned into Corinthians again, and conceded 2 goals in 3 minutes, that was the time that team lost the classification
Sometimes it's hard to believe in Corinthians  Tongue

At least I didn't bet any amount of money
Corinthians won the battle but lost the war. This is the worst phase of Corinthians that will definitely be remembered in the team's history. I can't blame them, because every team has its worst phase. Now it's up to the team to go through a restructuring and raise its head for the championships next year.

This is the semi finals:



To me, it will be good to see Corinthians and Cruzeiro in the final  Cool
It won't be easy for both brazilian teams, specially Corinthians. Racing is a tough opponent, and the bad thing for brazilians is, both matches will be decided in Argentina, so it's even harder

I think it's a good bet on Corinthians in the first match at least

What are your predictions in final?


I believe that the Argentine team will have the upper hand, as they are flying and very hungry for victory, but I haven't seen Cruzeiro's games, so I can't say anything about them.
But if Cruzeiro wins, I will be very satisfied with a brazilian team winning the title and returning to the continental spotlight.
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#56
You ended up showing me the Portuguese championship, which I didn't watch that much, and I ended up winning some bets there too. Thanks!

Yesterday I only bet on Racing qualifying, they were at home and there they tend to finish more too. So it would be something very similar, I thought it would be penalties but I ended up getting it right anyway.

Congratulations!
I didn't bet any money because even if I root to Corinthians, I really didn't believe 100% in a classification, so I prefer to just watch (and suffer of course)

If you liked Portuguese championship, I suggest the thread of our friend Joker_Josue: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/portuguese-league-liga-portugal-202425-5505111
Nice place to talk about portuguese league

getting back to Sudamericana, what are the predictions of all of yous guys?

Cruzeiro or Racing to win the cup?



I do like Corinthians as well but they really struggle this season on all departments of the club so achieving a semi-final in Sudamaricana is more than impressive for them at this point.

Regarding who will win the trophy , I think Racing should have the first chance because overall they are a better team and also they proved of being capable of scoring more goals than Cruizero for the entire Sudamericana season.
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You ended up showing me the Portuguese championship, which I didn't watch that much, and I ended up winning some bets there too. Thanks!

Yesterday I only bet on Racing qualifying, they were at home and there they tend to finish more too. So it would be something very similar, I thought it would be penalties but I ended up getting it right anyway.

Congratulations!
I didn't bet any money because even if I root to Corinthians, I really didn't believe 100% in a classification, so I prefer to just watch (and suffer of course)

If you liked Portuguese championship, I suggest the thread of our friend Joker_Josue: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/portuguese-league-liga-portugal-202425-5505111
Nice place to talk about portuguese league

getting back to Sudamericana, what are the predictions of all of yous guys?

Cruzeiro or Racing to win the cup?

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November 01, 2024, 08:12:05 AM
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I had made two other bets that ended up covering the loss, I even posted them here on the forum. But I didn't lose confidence in them until the day of the game. They showed that they can do it, they just need something to click. I hope they're thinking about it.

Oh yes, good, after you told me I saw your post about betting on Vasco and Sport too  Cheesy
Corinthians has been difficult for those who bet on it hehehe

Corinthians is an unpredictable team, but i believe that the team is under a lot of pressure now in this final stretch of the year, as the team is still fighting to avoid relegation in the Brasileirão. So betting on Corinthians may not be a good time.

But if the team is more focused on this South American Cup title, then it may increase Corinthians' chances of victory, but willpower alone is not a decisive factor in football, as it depends on a series of factors.

It´s hard to explain how a team fightning to stay in Serie A, can get to semi-finals of 2 important competitions  Tongue
It will be very hard (but not impossible) to beat Racing in Argentina, maybe some penalties to put every fan in anxiety  Grin Grin Grin


You ended up showing me the Portuguese championship, which I didn't watch that much, and I ended up winning some bets there too. Thanks!

Yesterday I only bet on Racing qualifying, they were at home and there they tend to finish more too. So it would be something very similar, I thought it would be penalties but I ended up getting it right anyway.
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