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atleast your learning to actually find these type of people. compared to previous links which were just conspiracy/racial based rants
and i did say i was impressed and surprised by how much detail he did give when he was concentrating on the medical side.
my initial bias against the guy before even clicking the link was more due to who provided the link in this forum, made me initially doubt the validity of it.
but as i showed i bothered to watch it i got intrigued by it and found it informative. so my surprise was more related to who posted the link more than anything.

from now on i may give you the benefit of no initial bias and start to see you as someone on a path for the truth and away from the conspiracy.. but dont let me down by you turning back down the conspiracy path as it just makes anything else you say just get treated with bias against you..again

That man is about a billion times more brilliant than you. Just shut the fuck up. Please.

to pre-empt the misinformation crew staring new conspiracies/racial chants. 2 things need to be clarified

china saying that wuhan had 3.8k now (50% more) than previous 2.5k is not them hiding anything. its not a conspiracy.
the 2.5k deaths were those in hospital. this is the same stat recording model most countries use.. so no finger pointing.
the new additions are those outside of hospitals that died at home/retirement villages/care homes due to symptoms and tets that show covid.

the UK when it had 11k deaths the other day reported a similar 50% death outside of hospital(16k total) due to same causes of death (symptoms/tests tied directly to covid).

the numbers are not just grabbing any death and calling it covid. its based on actual doctor observations/tests/and other things to find the actual cause of death.

america have yet to count those not in the hospital stats so be surprised by how many people didnt make it to hospital or refused to go to hospital to not be in the initial statistic.

genreal deaths of any cause is another separate number and is higher. which shows that the conspiracy of 'all deaths are covid' is a lie.
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another point that i have been seeing coming out when a country says if can perform XXX tests a day.
EG say its 15k a day. this does not mean if they only do 10k one day it means they have 5k spare to do 20k the next.
these test abilities are not based on disposible kits that can be stored for later. they are based on machine oeperating numbers.
so if a machine can handle 15 tests per machine a day and there are are 1000 machines. that does not mean they can set aside the spare 5k tests. it means tomorrow there is still only 15k tests able to be done per day

these machines are not machines that are not normally few hours, forced to do it in few minutes.
when they ramp up testing its done by multiplying the number of machines to increase the amount of tests able to be done a day.
a few people think that these tests are being done half-assed using fraction of the time. its not. its more machines and more machines in more local area's to do more tests.
the shortening of the time to get the test from the patient and to a lab is because machines are used more locally
EG reduce the transportation to lab from being hours, of a regional/national lab.. to be a few minutes to get it to a machine within the same hospital

so i hope that debunks a couple conspiracies before the start

pre-watching video i checked out the guy.
seems cottrell PhD is in finance and not medical
he recently supposedly started a medical school but wont even be doing rotations for a couple years

begins watching...
a few critiques about the modelling of the numbers over the 9month or 2 year models
but thats subjective based on what inputs he may have used.

surprisingly for a student he has done his research on the effects of covid on the body. so his tutor would be proud.
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this is the first video that you posted in recent months that actually interested me to keep watching without a facepalm
still listening while typing this...
ill wait for him to dip into the meander to china finger pointing for facepalms
update:
just before he jumps into china finger pointing.. he says covid affects male sexual hormones.
not quite
just like he hinted out about a rash.. its more likely being treated with hydrochloroquin thats causing adverse sideeffects
hmm lets risk listening to the last quarter of video. seems to be heavy on the lets not be friendly to china

update:
overall summary, quite tame, only a few knitpicks id have but not worthy of arguing over. generally more informative than i thought.

I am sure that is consolation to the millions of people who did lose their jobs. Again state mandates, and guidelines for adaptation are very different things. You know who else said it was for "the greater good" don't you?

More related:

"The Case Against China - AMA with Stefan Molyneux and Paul Cottrell"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6qRJxyNDII


"Retaliation? China Suddenly Toughens Export Rules, Freezing Critical Medical Goods Destined For US"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/logjams-new-china-export-restrictions-freeze-medical-goods-destined-us


"Flashback: Chinese Military Scientists Have Been Experimenting With Biotech As 'New Domain Of Warfare'"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/chinese-military-scientists-preparing-new-domain-warfare-using-biotech

so your saying that gyms just shut in america and sacked all their staff....
... then how come some american gyms diverted to doing online live video fitness training

so your saying that pizza places just closed and sacked their staff
... then how come some american pizza places stil serve delivery customers

so all IT workers justgot sacked..
.. then how come many american IT guys do remote management and remote support and follow social distancing guidelines if they have to make physical repairs

heck i can still buy clothes from clothing brands. (online) i can even stil get cupcakes from shops that usually only serve customers to walk-in.. yep they moved to service online orders/deliveries too

the only businesses that really take a hit is those that cant avoid socia physical contact.
however some survive and thrive
i have recently seen some conferences which were tickets for seats in a hall.. now are webinar/video conferences.
even the movie industry that usually gets funds from cinema's. decided to shift straight to streaming for their new releases

if you actually try, you could probably find a way to adapt your work skills to fit into self isolation or social distancing guidelines

but if you want to just go to a park with a group of guys and rub up against them and pretend 'its just daily exercise officer' then yea expect for them to not believe you.
just the same as parking a car in a stupid place. a fine is not a proof of criminality or breaking the law. its proof that stupidity will cost you money for petty things that can easily be avoided for the greater good of the community as a whole

Governments are doing whatever they can. It's also the individual responsibility to follow the best practices to prevent the coronavirus from outbreaking.
All we have to do now is to stay in our Nest. 

You are a real big fan of projection aren't you? Dictators always have a "reason". If they are fining and arresting people for going about their lives it is not an advisory then now is it? Too bad you don't lose your job and are forced to pick fruit for a living.

Couple of weeks old but still some new stuff, just...
https://youtu.be/rBH5wPQrWIY

That's about the most decent and rational thing I've heard you say for a while, so...

Firstly, I don't think the various statistics about GDP are especially accurate and to the extent that they are they don't mean a lot.  Once any nation has been borrowing from a central bank for a period of time the interest accrual becomes enourmous.  That is not denominated so much in monetary terms as it is in control of the nation being ceded to the lender.

I think that the world has just witnessed what I mean about 'control' in that so much of the world has gone into lockdown over something which, if real at all, is something which Fauchi characterizes as possibly the equiv of a bad flu.  It cannot be ignored that the W.H.O., which is part of the U.N. and is funded significantly by single wealthy individual with a known agenda, was the driving force behind a lot of the 'guidance' issued to worlds so-called 'leaders'.

The hypothesis which I can see fitting the best is along the lines of supposed whistle-blower Ronald Bernard has said.  That is somewhere in the 800 to 1200 person range of people who have effective control over the planet.  They would largely be people nobody has ever heard of.  Some are capable operatives who've been promoted/inducted (where psychopathy is one of the necessary characteristics) and some/most are heirs to dynastic wealth pools formed hundreds of years ago and grown since then.

Most of the faces you might see or names you might here (Trump, Gates, Rockefeller, Rothschild, etc) are important but most of them are probably not even in the core group.

1984 had it right that these people are primarily not driven by ethinc politics such as race, and not necessarily even money other than it represents power.  They delegate to operatives (e.g., Trump, various 'Russian oligarchs', etc) to sit on boards of directors, take hedge-fund chairmanships, etc.

There are some indications that these people are fairly religious in their own bizarre and dangerous ways.  Permutations on religious themes which originated long before the Abrahamic monotheistic religions (but wormed their way deeply into most of them.)

but missing the point of the reason for it

'i want to stay safe behind a closed door but i want government to tell businesses to open their doors'

it was advisory not marshal law. it is the idiots that dont listen to advice and independently choose that its in their best interest to safe safe.. so when they disregard advice it make things harder for themselves. by making government have to get more involved.

here is the critical detail.
people can actually work. people can start businesses. they just have to do it in a safe way for both their staff and their customers.

new businesses have popped up that offer food delivery, some businesses change the products they create.
i can only speak mainly from UK point of view but bars(pubs) might have closed their doors to serving pints of beer. but in many places their staff are still working by offering food and bottled/canned alcohol delivery.

the government hasnt forced everyone take a few months off. they advised if a business cant operate at safe social distancing then its best they change or take a break. (still a choice)

businesses can actually operate again if they can show they doing it sensibly where there is an actual need

for instance mercedes benz stayed running, but realised car manufacturing would not really be good because not many people will want to buy cars. so they diverted to making hospital ventilators

yes coffee shops might be closed. but they can always divert to delivery of certain items

i just took a little browse of many government/state websites and what im finding is alot of advice on how to protect workers while in work.. strangely nothing about 'enjoy a nice break from work'

its actually the businesses that went from 0 to 100 and laid people off before thinking about changing old habits.
the main advice from most is businesses that operate by having customers congregate in a way that cant be avoided by any 2m rule. should change or take a break


but here is one little funny part i have noticed
while barista's cant serve customers and cry how they cant work.. farmers are literally screaming for workers to help pick the harvests..

Can't recall where I found this link and it's also almost a month old, but this is a good read on attempts to trace back the origins of the virus and why the authors believe it to be naturally occurring and not man-made:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9

Choosing to stay home and being forced by the state to stay home are two very different things.

More related:

Collapse of China Explained By Chinese American Lawyer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYjeO_n9vQw


"German Lawyer Who Criticized Lockdown Arrested, Taken to Psych Ward"

https://summit.news/2020/04/15/german-lawyer-who-criticized-lockdown-arrested-taken-to-psych-ward/

gotta love some of the source material.. long tailback of cars on a highway in michigan to protest..

hmm if the protesters think there is no problem and that it should just be business as usual. then why are they too afraid to get out of their cars...
if they are too afraid to get out of their cars, they secretly know there is actually a health risk and dont want to come out from the security of a closed door..
losening the lockdown which is technically to allow people to get out their cars and go to workplaces and mingle.. seems to be making the protest a moot point by protesters wanting to remain behind closed doors for their own safety

Who's calling the shots in a game where China and US are merely a pawns?

Thats like 30% of the global GDP.  Who do you think has that kind of power?  

I won't say there's a 0% chance you're right (and I know you aren't saying there's a 100% chance you're right), but just think about all the other things that would have to be true for you to be correct.

Not the 'US government' particularly.  A lot of governments around the world are following certain strategies, and often under significant duress.

Looks to me as though both the U.S. and China are effectively pawns in a game.  Even more interestingly, it looks like they are the same color.  Now pawns can get in the way and trip one another up, but generally speaking it is better to have them around than not.  They can be sacrificed, but for a valuable reasons.  Or they can advance to be crowned.

It is worth note that back in the day, conquering an area meant not only the land but the population which went along with it in order to work the fields, mine the salt, supply concubines, etc.  The people were the prize as long as they could be managed.  Technology has changed things somewhat, but you still need 'inventory and control' of assets.  The buyer has to know what he is getting.  The better your 'inventory and control', the more valuable the asset.  ID2020 + 5G will be the biggest 'value add' in the history of the world.

There is plenty of evidence to support these ideas as well as logical basis. There are the means, motive, and opportunity. You simply throwing around insults is not an argument and just shows the pathetic level of what you call discourse.

More related:

"Fox News Reports Coronavirus Originated In Wuhan Lab "

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/fox-news-reports-coronavirus-originated-wuhan-lab


"Lockdown-Backlash Begins: Angry Crowd Surrounds Capitol, Demands Michigan Governor Reopen Economy"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/and-it-beings-angry-michiganders-surround-capital-building-demand-governor-reopen-economy


"Ron Paul: People ‘Should Be Leery About’ a Coronavirus Vaccine"

http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/peace-and-prosperity/2020/april/14/ron-paul-people-should-be-leery-about-a-coronavirus-vaccine/

Luckily it seems like the crazies are pretty evenly split between 'it's a bioweapon that China intentionally launched to take over the world' and 'the whole thing is a joke, this is just the US government trying to control your brains/force a vaccine or whatever'.

This may seem like a troll statement, but I'm being sincere.  I think the conspiracy theorists are dividing themselves, which makes it easier to shine a light on how idiotic their theories are, because there are just too many options to blame for a really fucked up situation that has no obvious answer that doesn't involve a lot of suffering.

All that being said: Carol Baskin definitely killed her husband and fed him to the Tigers.

War is based on deception. If they did have that information, they lose the advantage of leaving China in the dark as far as their knowledge of their complicity in creating and releasing this virus, and have less time to prepare if they make it public. Keeping the public in the dark regarding intelligence matters is the norm rather than the exception. No one said war is going to happen tomorrow.

This open discussion of the premise could very well be the administration slow walking the release of this information so as not to cause an over-reaction in the population, giving everyone time to absorb the possibility of such a reality piece by piece in a controlled way. You will notice this is also how the reality of the outbreak itself was handled as to not create mass panic over night, and create more disruptions and unrest.

The problem with your premise is that you assume that the CCP wouldn't murder millions of it's own people if it served the goals of the CCP. Additionally, bio-warfare is not just about maximum casualties. There are many types of weapons with varying levels of lethality for a reason, because each serve a specific purpose and use case in order to deliver a specific end result. The goal may not have been maximum casualty rate, but maximum infection rates and global spread. Ever hear of sappers? How about the Vietcong strategy of wounding rather than killing soldiers during the Vietnam war? The resources required to treat the ill and wounded are much greater than dealing with the dead, meaning less resources available to fight.

This could serve to disrupt the world economies, drawing out the amount of time other countries are dependent on China, and making rebuilding domestic infrastructure to decouple from China take much longer to acheive. That certainly has been one result of this outbreak. Additionally it gave the CCP a great excuse to effectively end all mass protests in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and elsewhere, along with an excuse to round up massive amounts of people for "quarantine", as well as a pretense for them disappearing off of the face of the Earth without a trace. There were many other results of this outbreak that the CCP benefited from as well. You go ahead and pretend this is outrageous, but the facts of the matter suggest significant motive for the CCP to take such actions. They certainly also had the means and opportunity to do so.

Anything to cover up their own incompetence. How about focusing on the fucking problem at hand, wouldn't that be a nice thing for the government to do. There will be plenty of time to lay blame and start frivolous wars later.