Topic: Coronavirus Outbreak - page 90. (Read 29937 times)

War is based on deception. If they did have that information, they lose the advantage of leaving China in the dark as far as their knowledge of their complicity in creating and releasing this virus, and have less time to prepare if they make it public. Keeping the public in the dark regarding intelligence matters is the norm rather than the exception. No one said war is going to happen tomorrow.

This open discussion of the premise could very well be the administration slow walking the release of this information so as not to cause an over-reaction in the population, giving everyone time to absorb the possibility of such a reality piece by piece in a controlled way. You will notice this is also how the reality of the outbreak itself was handled as to not create mass panic over night, and create more disruptions and unrest.

The problem with your premise is that you assume that the CCP wouldn't murder millions of it's own people if it served the goals of the CCP. Additionally, bio-warfare is not just about maximum casualties. There are many types of weapons with varying levels of lethality for a reason, because each serve a specific purpose and use case in order to deliver a specific end result. The goal may not have been maximum casualty rate, but maximum infection rates and global spread. Ever hear of sappers? How about the Vietcong strategy of wounding rather than killing soldiers during the Vietnam war? The resources required to treat the ill and wounded are much greater than dealing with the dead, meaning less resources available to fight.

This could serve to disrupt the world economies, drawing out the amount of time other countries are dependent on China, and making rebuilding domestic infrastructure to decouple from China take much longer to acheive. That certainly has been one result of this outbreak. Additionally it gave the CCP a great excuse to effectively end all mass protests in Hong Kong, Taiwan, and elsewhere, along with an excuse to round up massive amounts of people for "quarantine", as well as a pretense for them disappearing off of the face of the Earth without a trace. There were many other results of this outbreak that the CCP benefited from as well. You go ahead and pretend this is outrageous, but the facts of the matter suggest significant motive for the CCP to take such actions. They certainly also had the means and opportunity to do so.

Anything to cover up their own incompetence. How about focusing on the fucking problem at hand, wouldn't that be a nice thing for the government to do. There will be plenty of time to lay blame and start frivolous wars later.

+1 to all of this. Some people are freaking out and saying that this is a bio weapon, but I think that's so much bullshit. If this was a bioweapon by China, and the American intelligence groups had found that out by now -- Trump and the rest of his admin would've made that public. They would've wanted public support behind starting some sort of war with China (even if it's just economical instead of with a military)

Plus the fact that if this was a bioweapon, this would've been a HORRIBLE bioweapon as they killed and infected a large amount of their own people while doing this. Just saying.

The implication is that China knew about the virus immediately and chose to cover up its existence, and effectively allow it to spread to the rest of the world.

There are legitimate reasons to be working with viruses in labs, but not legitimate reasons to do the above. The fact that so many thousands of people have been killed and that it has overwhelmed healthcare systems in Europe (Italy and Spain), will make people upset enough that citizens will demand war. China selling PPE that was previously donated by the country that is buying it back and the selling of defective tests is going to make citizens more upset with China.

No, no likelihood of war with China.

There are legitimate reasons for working with such a virus in the appropriate lab.

What most likely happened, something went wrong. Someone blundered, didn't follow protocol. Some idiot on the street found a way to get dead test animals from the lab, sold them in the market. etc, etc.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/coronavirus-wuhan-lab-china-compete-us-sources

It looks like the coronavirus was intended to be something that showcases China's ability to detect, and contain viruses better than the US. It is believed that "patient zero" worked in the Biolab in Wuhan, China and subsequently spread the virus to others in Wuhan.

If this is true, I would expect the world to go to War with China within a year.

"Trump Says US 'Thoroughly Examining' Possibility Virus Leaked From Wuhan Biolab"

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/watch-live-white-house-coronavirus-task-force-holds-wednesday-briefing

How observant of you, sort of. But we are finding that getting away from conspiracy topic, would include block your posts. Why are your posts conspiracy topics? Partly because you can't even link anything. But many of the links of other people are showing us that standard thinking is the conspiracy topic.

So, let's continue to talk about the Coronavirus topic as we are really finding it to be in standard news... a lie. This way we might be able to move on to health.

After all, if the medical could heal anybody, people would have stopped getting sick long ago.

What? You mean to say that dumb nature is outsmarting all the doctors and medical thinkers so that they can't heal people? What about lengthening life? The medical hasn't done this. Indeed there are still pockets of people around the world, who haven't been affected by the medical, and who live longer naturally than the medically infused nations.

So, lets get back to the Coronavirus outbreak, and the way the medical isn't helping at all.



EDIT: Is it time to block you through "Ignore" yet?

You've said some pretty outlandish things, but on this I'm going to have to call Bullshit.

you dont find it suspisious that many labs around the world study it too
you dont find it suspicious that patient zero was from a wet market that handles wild animals that are not cleaned properly when caught
you dont find is suspicious that due to the farming habits of wetmarkets fishing/farming wild animals makes the middle east have a high chance of it passing species thus more reason to have a lab nearby to study the risks

yes there is a narrative of 'could be' a untrained lab tech also rubbed up against a wetmarket seller.
but there is a narrative of more possible' a wetmarket seller rubbed up against hundreds of different animal parts every day and odds are eventually something would have happened

take growing lettuce using cow fecal matter as fertiliser.. would you say a lettuce caused e-coli outbreak caused a vegetatian to get food poisoning due to a possibility of cross bred evolved crops done by some naturalist farmer.
or the fact that a vegetarian eats more lettuce than average so eventually will have a bad lettuce that contains bacteria from the fecal matter because she just loves to be 'organic'
(reference californian ecoli outbreak a few years back)
do you blame the guy cross pollonating crops. or the farmer using and not washing his harvest when he sells it

Right, corona has been around for a while but clearly COVID-19 is a new strain more transmissible than the 2003 SARS outbreak. That being said, you don't think it's a bit suspicious that this virology lab was specifically studying bat related diseases to the point that diplomats reported to the U.S. State Department of dangerous conditions with untrained staff handling live animals?

when the link title and URL (the thing to click on) is baited with a presumption that covid came from a lab
but then the article just talks about a lab thats been studying corona for ages and actually says the diplomats and experts summerised that covid was natural and not lab born... then the link title is baited

by the way.. all corona viruses are respiratory based. sars 2002, mers and even older ones are.
thats what makes it different to for instance ebola which is blood infection based
corona has been about since the 1960s

Not necessarily. It's not clickbait to point out that new information that the U.S. State Department received tips from diplomats that a virology lab in Wuhan were experimenting with bats. Plus, it's the Washington Post, not some conspiracy tabloid.

I'm not one to believe conspiracy theories unless it's evidence based. Still, I am not saying that SARS-CoV-2 is a genetically engineered strain of coronavirus but it's an interesting opinion piece because this new strain is highly transmissible due to the binding affinity to the ACE2 receptor in the lungs.


I can assure you that I don't have my tinfoil hat on, I promise.

seems this has started turning into 'who can post the most links to clickbait conspiracy' topic
lets just stem the meander before it goes onso we can actually talk about the coronavirus outbreak
'rolling out oppression'
70-80 years ago people were being shot due to real oppression. all that is asked of you is to take a few months off work to stop you touching random people to spread a virus. you can still leave your home. you can still buy food. just stop touching people and licking random objects

'freedoms taken away, where does it stop'
by ignoring advice to stop touching people and stop licking things. is the very reason it can go on for longer. so just stop licking random things and stop touching people and if majority of people stop doing it. the spread slows down within weeks. meaning relaxation of isolation much sooner. yes expect possible second waves if people decide to be stupid and touch and spread too soon and too much again. so just give it a rest for a while

aussie police look for campers
if you live in  city but you want to travel dozens, hundreds of miles away. you might be spreading it to a community that has not really had it yet. its not time to be selfish. think about others.
(personally yea some people who go out to the middle of nowhere to truly distance themselves from others has its benefits.) but think about the spread possibilities of how they got there and what might have happened on the way... if they stayed home they wouldnt have risked passing it onto the the gas station fuel pump and or the gas station attendant or other customers
and if they get sick so far from home. getting emergency staff to find them in time becomes harder

war on cash
ok i already heard some sily conspiracies around this. but lets handle one that i foun funny and relevevant to this forums topic.
'imagine satoshi disapeared in 2010 to develops a new strain of corona so he can promote cashless society and also blockchain powered elections' .. yea i know funny right

china vs black people
ok china banned all transport/immigration.. doesnt matter if black white yellow of olive.. but blacks took it personal

"They Are Rolling Out The Architecture Of Oppression Now Because They Fear The People"

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/they-are-rolling-out-the-architecture-of-oppression-now-because-they-fear-the-people-d0d374509d


"Our Freedoms Are Being STRIPPED Away Because Of The Current Crisis, Where Does It End??"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVaHE_zGpI


"Australian Police Use Surveillance Helicopter to Track Down Remote Campers"

https://summit.news/2020/04/13/australian-police-use-surveillance-helicopter-to-track-down-remote-campers/


"COVID-19 and the War on Cash: What Is Behind the Push for a Cashless Society?"
 
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/covid_19_and_the_war_on_cash_what_is_behind_the_push_for_a_cashless_society_short


""Black People Not Allowed" - China Denies Reports It Banned African Residents From Guangzhou"

https://www.zerohedge.com/health/black-people-not-allowed-china-denies-reports-it-banned-african-residents-guangzhou

sars or more broadly corona. has been studied since the 1960's
in short. grasping at straws because even the article says no proof of lab created
in shorter..
its a nothing burger news piece

but tweaking with just a hint of a IF/maybe. just to entertain the conspiracy crowd and keep them subscribing to the media site

..
lesson one
how to get a conspiracy guy to be loyal
tell him that a woman in a bar looks like a female has all the physical attributes of a female. sounds and acts like a female. her parents have been interviewed and shown birth certificates and made declarations that she is a female.
but then say
'but what if.. what if she isnt a girl and everyone is just playing along just to be politically gender correct'
then watch the conspiracy guy spend decades trying every effort to find the girls penis

Not sure if anyone has posted this yet or have seen this but the WaPo came out with a pretty major opinion piece - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/


Apparently the Wuhan virology lab was studying SARS related viruses prior to the outbreak according to U.S. diplomats who were sent to the lab two years prior to the first cases of Covid-19 appearing. I shot down any conspiracy theories regarding the viruses origin baring any evidence that a lab did in fact artificially produce a new strain of coronavirus but this is the closest I've seen to concrete evidence. The diplomats apparently wrote in a memo to the state department that the lab was working on a virus that could bind to ACE2 receptors which is the same mechanism as Covid-19.

Interesting stuff.

1. similar numbers probably also think elvis is alive. and trump is god.... thus is more of a stat that shows how dumb americans are. not how thruthful their idea's are

2. it actually says it favours a natural cause.. but conspiracy nutters will play word games for decades and the misinterpretation of natural

3. in america where healthcare is already controlled by banks(insurance) what is left to fear. that trump will know if someone smokes.. oo scary.. whats actually scary in the real world. is the already a problem of insurance companies declining care due to lifestyle things like smoking.
i think the conspiracy flock are afraid if the fed find out they are faking a back pain. they wont get their disability payment for being lazy and not allowed to get their cannibis medicinal card

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/08/nearly-three-in-ten-americans-believe-covid-19-was-made-in-a-lab/

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-state-department-cables-warned-potential-sars-pandemic-after-visiting-wuhan-lab

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2020/april/13/a-healthcare-patriot-act/

as soon as i hear her say the buzzword 'new world order' and 'demonic forces' and i can pretty much predict her search history is of the conspiracy fangirl websites and david icke appreciation type websites, ufo/ghost story sites.

rest of the video seems meaningless now with that intro

edit. ok i decided to watch a bit more
more buzzwords 'world domination/enslavement/cosmic/natural law' ok she is using buzzwords that are not in the realm of reality

edit .. ok i watched a bit more. just incase there was a plot twist that maybe it will make a serious point
she then claims her great grandfather was visited by aliens. and although she never met him. she has been talking to him spiritually

ok.. i cant go on watching. the laughter is just too much

oh Tash. can you try not to follow badeckers path and not be grabbing quotes from the same fantasy loving community
i mean if you want to try finding a quote from someone reputable. atleast find someone with more qualifications than witchcraft