Corrupt leaders are made foolish people.

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Quote from: Dewiana on April 20, 2024, 03:20:35 PM

don't bribe or engage in money politics when inviting people to elect him, another thing is that there is public space to control it.

The thing is that these running candidates often target those in poverty and they offer them money and support so of course what stupid person will say no to help right? But the short term benefit will result to a longer destruction of the country and the system. Some have given up on the country and do not want to even partake anymore in the election

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Quote from: btc78 on March 17, 2024, 06:24:10 AM

I agree, mate. When all the political candidates running for positions in the government are corrupt and useless, the country is doomed. We have no choice but only to choose the “least evil” among the candidates. But when there is a candidate that is credible and capable of leading the country and we still don’t choose that candidate, the problem is in the people.

Of course we shouldn’t blame it all on the people. There are still many things to hold a corrupt candidate accountable for. Like maybe that candidate is spreading a lot of lies and misinformation that could have reached the masses and could have influenced their political decisions greatly.

A good leader can only lead when he or she is chosen by the people.

The election of a corrupt leader is the effect of the electoral system during the election, when the system is not clean then be prepared when he becomes a leader he will do things that are detrimental to the country. because this happens from below, so to avoid this, choose a leader from among people who have good moral ethics, don't bribe or engage in money politics when inviting people to elect him, another thing is that there is public space to control it. Another thing is not giving capital to owners when they become leaders because that opens up space for chaos within the government

Currently, where I am living we are casting our votes but still we are having not right leaders because our vote is not going on right path, and they are stealing things which are completely destroying country and peoples are suffering due to these corrupt leaders and their policies but nothing positive happening which is surely going to have the worst things in future as well.
Current concept of democracy or choosing our leaders are also having nothing with system as now they are having all control, and they can do things which are right for them and their policies which are never been ideal for the common peoples if we need better leaders and better future we need to have good education and rule of law which is most important.

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Quote from: btc78 on March 17, 2024, 06:24:10 AM

I agree, mate. When all the political candidates running for positions in the government are corrupt and useless, the country is doomed. We have no choice but only to choose the “least evil” among the candidates. But when there is a candidate that is credible and capable of leading the country and we still don’t choose that candidate, the problem is in the people.

Of course we shouldn’t blame it all on the people. There are still many things to hold a corrupt candidate accountable for. Like maybe that candidate is spreading a lot of lies and misinformation that could have reached the masses and could have influenced their political decisions greatly.

A good leader can only lead when he or she is chosen by the people.

The election of a corrupt leader is the effect of the electoral system during the election, when the system is not clean then be prepared when he becomes a leader he will do things that are detrimental to the country. because this happens from below, so to avoid this, choose a leader from among people who have good moral ethics, don't bribe or engage in money politics when inviting people to elect him, another thing is that there is public space to control it. Another thing is not giving capital to owners when they become leaders because that opens up space for chaos within the government

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

One of the most wicked part is the religious affiliations,.. What does this religions really teach that they will support their members only for them to assume office as devil incarnates...
Somehow, this leaders manipulates the environment and the people carry out the results from what you just pointed
So the people/majority can say no to bad governance by living above the immediate time of manipulation and vote on merit for the future to get at least good government.

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The right thing to do is vote for who is capable of handling that position very well someone who can bring in positive changes an intellectual.
Voting for someone because he or she is practicing same region with you or because his from your city or community or because he or she is same color with you should be set aside when choosing a leader because when we put all that into consideration when choosing a leader we will be blind to see if truly his intelligent enough to handle that position and bring positive changes.
All we need to consider in choosing a leader is if he or she can handle such position very well and bring positive changes.

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Leaders must take the right steps to activate the people. People can get honesty from them if they elect the right leaders. Some are widely criticized within the state. Common citizens of any country do not like a corrupt government. People want peace and service. But the corrupt are busy picking their own sugarcane, forgetting about peace and service.

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The foolish people are not the corrupt leaders alone, but anyone who indulges self in making what is not right is foolish because such is an inconsiderable fellow, in everything we do in life, we should first consider how the effects from our actions will take affect other individuals, we shouldn't be always walking with one eye closed, instead we should be intentional about any deliberation we are considering that it works for our good and the wellbeing of others.

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It may be a difficult thing if faced with the opportunity and circle of irresponsible people even though it is wrapped in familiarity. In fact, it is easier for people to corrupt because there is opportunity and good land with surrounding support. It is also a tradition in my country that democracy with big money is likely to seek funds to compensate for what it has spent including for its marketing team. Really, fishing for money is all about money, for whatever reason, but it is criminal. There are also those who make it seem like this is democracy from the beginning so that it is not too contrasting and veiled, a strategy that is not commendable, oppressing the people for personal interests.

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Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

Except you were trying to mean a Nigerian contesting for the president of America and of course it is the Nigerian religious bigots that will vote a Nigerian as the president of America.

However, talking of black man being the president of America, there have been Barack Obama as African American black president and Kamala Harris as vice president.

I don’t know about Nigeria, but when Barack Obama was contesting, his support came mostly from blacks. Right? The whites hated him (till he left) just because he was black and many blacks liked him because he was black. I know certain people liked him because they knew he was a capable president, however, most of the votes, likes, and dislikes were based of on factors like what I just described which isn’t the real thing to be worried about. That’s what I mean.

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Important thumb rule to be successful politician is divide and conquer. It can be based on religion, race, etc as long as they can influence people in the way they want to. We can say we need a change in the way we elect our leaders but it looks like the change is impossible with the democracy.

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that is a reality that people have to accept, especially people in developing countries where the influence of religion is still very strong. usually they will choose leaders based on their religion or ethnicity, but the most frequent choice is based on religion. even in my country, the funniest thing is that many people here say that it would be better for them to choose a corrupt leader who has the same religion as them, compared to a good leader who has a different religion, that's quite funny, isn't it? but that's what they are.

i don't want to blame them for choosing a leader like that, because according to them it is the teachings of their religion to choose a leader who is of the same religion as them. and i think this also has something to do with their knowledge which is also quite limited, so it is difficult to make them aware.

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Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

Hopefully the people who do such act can decrease in number so there is a more genuine selection.

To what level exactly can they reduce to? Those who are hodling country to her knees are usually very very few but are backed by government.

Quote from: oktana on April 18, 2024, 07:52:48 PM

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

Except you were trying to mean a Nigerian contesting for the president of America and of course it is the Nigerian religious bigots that will vote a Nigerian as the president of America.

However, talking of black man being the president of America, there have been Barack Obama as African American black president and Kamala Harris as vice president.

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The sad truth is that this may never change, it is possible that people would never stop blindly voting for people just because they come from the same ethnicity or religion instead of the capability to handle the said position. Hopefully the people who do such act can decrease in number so there is a more genuine selection.

I am sure that if a black man was to contest as the president of America, a huge majority (not all) will vote for him irrespective of his ability to manage the nation if he won.

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You said the truth mate. That's why it very important to investigation about that leader whom you are going to vote. And it is far better to vote a honest person even he doesn't belong to your community. And I think that's far better than voting him who are corrupted enough and not going to doing anything for people even after get elected. But there are some problems too. Honest person can't stand before them cause corrupted leader always threatening good leader, not to election against him or result will be bad or he will be endanger. That's the normal people don't have any option rather than voting that corrupted leader

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In the past, only leaders from different tribes and groups were allowed to vote so the candidates were wisely chosen and the result was satisfying they ended up getting real leaders who could lead their countries to success and that was the real freedom is because you put the trust to your leader rather than giving everyone the freedom to vote and the result is horrible just like what happens to the other countries right now, the result of their past elections was wild and their leader is clearly a not eligible to run countries which always ended up in regret and our own country is suffering the same as well. If only we could use the same strategy right now, we could have gotten some real leaders like Bukele of El Salvador to run our countries so that they won't be having any corruption.

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People are not the ones that made the corrupt leaders, and some of the leaders has corrupt before in the society which people know so much in the society before going into politics, and if you look at their history in politics you will discover that they got their political appointment based on the influence of family members, and such people will never be a good leader than to be a corrupt leaders in the society.

But country where vote are count for the favour of the country, I don't think such country will make corrupt people to be their leaders, and such country leaders will be doing the right thing for the favour of their country because they know how they got to their position.

Yes, you can find such corrupt leaders in Africa because the leaders of Africa are not ready to stop such habit among themselves, that is why you see upcoming leaders are still planning to follow the corrupt way.

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

You should know that there are some countries that the people cannot decide who will be their leader, because the people in charge of the government have made life miserable for the citizens, by putting them in a poverty level. This is done in other for them to make the people not have that power to go against their will. If you talk against the government, you get killed. No freedom of speech and everyone is living in fear.

No matter what the people do, to vote out these bad leaders, it will be in vain because they have corrupt people like them that should be able to challenge them or put a stop to their evil intentions, but these people will even support them, because everyone is after their pockets.

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Quote from: Negotiation on March 17, 2024, 07:20:05 AM

In fact here we have people who create opportunities for corruption, leaders cannot do corruption at will but a section of common people want to corrupt with their help to make themselves more independent. Because of which the leaders get the opportunity to commit corruption. So I think that common people create the opportunity to do corruption. That's why our leaders took the opportunity. However, there are currently many countries where voting is not required or there is no need to elect a leader.

Corruption occurs because the monitoring system during campaigns and elections is weak. It should be noted that when a candidate during the campaign period commits fraud, for example by distributing money during the campaign, when he becomes a leader, he will still use the wrong methods in leading. , whether he is a council member, regent, mayor or even president, because if we do the wrong thing then our thoughts and every step we take will continue to be directed down the wrong path. So in choosing a leader there must also be good criteria, otherwise there will be destruction somewhere if the wrong leader is chosen

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Quote from: kentrolla on March 17, 2024, 06:05:59 AM

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

There's always that tribalistic sentiment when it comes to appointing or electing people into leadership positions, people will want the leadership to come from their tribe or family, they're not even concerned if they don't have qualified candidates from their tribe, region or party, this is why most underdeveloped countries or communities never experience progress.

What about when majority of people in a country comes together and votes a credible candidate that they believe will better their economy, then the electoral body rigs the election? So it's not in every election that the electorates will vote based on tribal sentiments, sometimes they vote based on track records of the candidates to deliver excellent leadership, but higher powers will rig the election, this practice is very common in Africa.

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It is quite pathetic to see that the very people who promised us all the good benefits of governance change completely immediately after being voted into office and it is very obvious that we the masses are the ones who empower them to do what they do. Corruption is not promoted by one person alone, both the leaders and the masses are guilty in one way or the other of corrupt practices. During elections, the masses have the power to choose who they want to govern them, but they are often blindfolded by ethnic sentiments, religious sentiments and other forms of sentiments. Our leaders cannot cheat us all the time if we do not empower them to cheat us. We can only make them accountable if we stop accepting bribes and unsolicited benefits from them for selfish favours that will be detrimental to the whole nation.

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