Topic: Corrupt leaders are made foolish people. - page 3. (Read 631 times)

Well stating this in a nation where the vote if people can't is acceptable not in a nation where citizens vote and right are not considered. The nation like my nation were few lawyers called judges turn down the vote if millions of people and the arm forces stop citizens from protesting and even citizens vote don't count, result are change u can say that stating to hold people or citizens responsible for curruption leaders is not ideal.

The leaders are not the only corrupt ones involved in the menace happening in the societies, they make use of the citizens as well in joining them make the practice of these corruption and they accepted working for them as their errand dogs to engage in all forms of corruption, but when we know our rights, no one can deceive us and tell us what is not, we need to just believe in ourselves and the future in us that we can make it even without the help of any corrupt means.

Politics are easy today to those that have money. As long as they're popular, with money and even celebrities. This is how the politics system in most countries.

But some countries still stand still and straight with principles with their politics. Most that we know of that are involved on it are dirty and they don't really get into the real help to their people but only to take everyone's taxes and put it on their pockets.

Well, this is for the corrupt leaders as I'm talking.

That's really bad it's lie entire country suffering for no fault of theirs just because of greedy electoral body and as long as electoral body like this exists nothing is going to change and we have already seen what happens when people raises against government and protest if it's developed nation then it's sorted peacefully by agreeing with demand of people but countries like African nations and Arab countries it becomes genocide where government indiscriminately kills its people and makes it a civil war like we are witnessing in Syria and Yemen.

Nepotism and tribalism has led to bad leadership and corrupt government, and still the citizens will not learn from their mistakes because they feel that it is better for someone that they know to be in power even though he is incompetent. Forgetting the damage that such decisions actions will do to the people and the economy of the country.

In my country, I must say that they citizens have understood that they are the ones to vote out bad government, but the Independent Electoral body is the one kills the meaning of democracy in the country. This is because after collecting bribe, he announces the wrong person as the winner of the election, and put the whole country is a mess and the economy in a very bad shape. That body should be dissolved if my country needs a leader of their choice to be in power.

Okay here, how a leader shouldn't even be a bothering if maybe he was manipulated or got into the political positions by sentiments. Already politics is a game of interest whereas everyone do have their rights to decide on who they'd vote for and who to stand by with during political powers but where this problem lies is implying same technical sentiments on a rulership.
While as a leader, there shouldn't be segregation and every regional and ethical sentiments should be abolished and ignored by the political leaders so as to batch a unified, equality and a credible government.

After winning an election or getting into power by politics, the same politics of biasing shouldn't be adopted or elongated during the leadership of the individual because everyone is ought to be under one cabinet of one governance. This is the reason why politics is not meant for the cheap hearts who can't bear pressures or being childish of extending grudges defaulting citizens uncallfully without being deserved with such defaulters.
Hence everyone ethnical, sentimental and incompetent politicians must be aware that the game of Politics has not end nor a retirement stage so, you must understand that you'll always be in need of the masses votes either by voice, accreditation of reputations or otherwise sometimes and or most times. So, when you're opportuned to batch into power, do not abuse the people because you feels you'd not be in need of the masses anymore but if you do, then that is an elementary stage for you as a politician.
So mainly I don't have problem on whether vote counts or not but my problem is the governance of taking everyone all along

All we wanted is nothing but good leaders of credibilities because whom the masses wanted in initially might not really be what he the politicians portrayed in his political reality life.

This depends on the kind of country you come from and their electoral process and how much transparent it is, because in my own country where I come from there is no transparency in the electoral process and the political system in some  cadres are more like a selection than election because individual votes doesn't count but being mastermind or influence by those in authority. The truth remains that the political system are corrupt generally.

Mate, you are taking about voting? I know many counties and many states where correped leaders stealing votes, votes are given by unknown people or authority, even many time they organize dummy election so that they can show the world, they have won the election with majority of votes but people know the truth but most of people become silance due to fair. They can't fight with Such politicial leaders who controls the government, administration and everything. So some people keep supporting them blindly so get some facilities. This is the truth but who cares.

It actually true especially in Africa here where their are so many tribes and different enthnic, and to me, it's very wrong and that especially has emboldened the corrupt politicians to do things with reckless impunity believing that his or her tribe are behind them if the people revolt against them.

Lastly, in our society today, mostly in Africa and most part of Asia, evil people are progressing to a higher stage of evil and they are doing more evil with reckless impunity because people that should have stopped them mostly stay silent in the face of evil because they feels like it not affecting them at present, which is very wrong, until they curb that menace, corruption will continue to strive in the society.

That is the role of propaganda and political indoctrination, I think. You know to keep the corrupt leaders in power regardless of their merits, only being based on the power and the shady influence those leaders keep over people who are supposed to know better, for the sake of the future of their country...
Unfortunately, it is something common here in Latin America, where populism and literal brain washing have taken place in our countries. I have never been in Africa, but I guess it must not be very different from what one could find here.

Politics is a topic which unfortunately meritocracy is not as appreciated as It should be. I still believe there is hope for most countries in Africa, but it will take the personal growth of their people and a long period of time for them to self-reflex on their situation.

Based on the scenario that you are talking about, the third world countries are mostly suffering not because of the people, not the individual people but those institutions that oversee to the election of new government, that is where the fault is. If there is high level corruption within the electoral system, no matter the purity in the election or voting rightly, it will be manipulated at the top and that is at the collation centre. The umpire of elections need to be devoid of interest and bribe taking before the election will produce rightful candidates that are voted by the majority. So most times the people know the right candidate whether he is from minority or not and they turn out in mass to vote but at the dawn of the night the contrary result will be announced.

It is not the people that makes the leader. It is just selected few who organise the onslaught against the people through manipulation of election result and make the people to suffer and live in penury. The law and judiciary is also used to the favour of those who have been manipulated into power and no matter how brilliant the opposition lawyer is, he doesn't succeed to get the people's mandate back and that takes the people backwards until another election year. This is unfortunate and the reason some continent are still backwards, bad leadership is a bane to democracy.

Depending on how the electoral rules are designed, by choosing the "least evil" we are excluding those parties which may have good proposals, but we foresee that they won't win.

It's the case of, for example, a country where there are two leading candidates, one of them in the center and the other far-left or right. People would prefer to vote the center in order to make it more difficult for extremists to come to power, rather than voting a third party that has no chance of winning, but it was our favourite.

Yes I agree with you a lot.  There are many clans who vote an incompetent leader based on their clan to win.  And for five years he was subjected to various abuses.  A tribe or nation plays a major role in a corrupt leader coming to power.  But most of the general public believes in the sweetness of unqualified candidates and they are convinced that voting for this person will improve them.  So they all vote for the incompetent person but as a result a corrupt leader takes the seat and does not keep any of his promises.  It is really very sad and disappointing for the people.  Before the elections every leader tries to heal the people with their sweet language.  What else does the general public have the power to know what is inside the human mind?

In fact here we have people who create opportunities for corruption, leaders cannot do corruption at will but a section of common people want to corrupt with their help to make themselves more independent. Because of which the leaders get the opportunity to commit corruption. So I think that common people create the opportunity to do corruption. That's why our leaders took the opportunity. However, there are currently many countries where voting is not required or there is no need to elect a leader.

In almost all countries of the world, political figures are involved in corruption. Everything is done with money, and leaders take advantage of that opportunity.  Basically the leader creates a huge network where things like buying votes with money happen. There have also been instances where the common people are disenfranchised, corrupt leaders are elected without a vote by using power. Personally I have seen political figures in the South Asian region, when they hold political power, often build mountains of wealth for personal gain. In many cases, those in power use their influence to protect themselves and their associates from the consequences of their corrupt actions, even as they engage in misappropriation of public funds, bribery, embezzlement and other forms of corruption.

In many cases I cannot blame the people for producing corrupt leaders. Corrupt leaders build powerful terrorist, extortionist organizations to control their areas, and the common people living in those areas live like puppets in their fear.

I agree, mate. When all the political candidates running for positions in the government are corrupt and useless, the country is doomed. We have no choice but only to choose the “least evil” among the candidates. But when there is a candidate that is credible and capable of leading the country and we still don’t choose that candidate, the problem is in the people.

Of course we shouldn’t blame it all on the people. There are still many things to hold a corrupt candidate accountable for. Like maybe that candidate is spreading a lot of lies and misinformation that could have reached the masses and could have influenced their political decisions greatly.

A good leader can only lead when he or she is chosen by the people.

Yeah, choosing who to vote for because of stuff like ethnicity or religion sometimes means the people in charge don't feel like they gotta answer to voters as much.  But you still gotta think about everything going on and  if some groups keep getting left out or treated bad for a long time, it makes sense why they'd wanna vote for someone who comes from their group and might stick up for them.  That way those people can feel like they actually have a voice.

We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.