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We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Mate you need to understand African politics, its really based on merit but what am I going to get from this person, those people that really have the power to put those guys in  positions don't acre about the masses that wiudl suffer from it, its just business to them and yeah I can't blame them cause if anyone was as rich as they are you would be more bothered about staying onto than think about a poor person that you don't even know, so yeah that's how life is, I just pity those that take bribe to do things cause at the end if they are not well established and the elected leader is corrupt everyone suffers including them.
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This is just the reason why Africa is backwards in development because they do not do the real thing. Instead to vote for a leader that can deliver , can  do the job very well they will prefer to choose someone from same tribe, religion who can not do anything, forgetting that bad governance doesn't know tribe , it affects every one. This has been the way Africa people have been choosing their leaders, they don't choose someone who can deliver but choose people according to tribe.
Corruption is not something that we need to talk about because there are lots of things involved and it usually started like a smoke from a basket, with time it will diffuse to other regions making things worse for the common people.
There is nothing we could do about it, all we have to keep doing is to protest, complain or cause conflict but corruption might still not end like that. It is very important we need to do things that would help us vote out the bad government but this could also be a difficult approach.
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I would hold people accountable for being in a creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

You may be saddened by the nature of global leadership, but I respectfully disagree that the people only should be held accountable for producing a bad and corrupt leader in the nation. Many people are uninterested in political power, and they are powerless to do anything if political leaders want it. Standing firm on their mandate may cost them their lives, if not more. Corrupt leaders are always the most powerful in politics, and their success and power stem from arrogance and corruption. They are the most difficult to fight with unless you have a strong person who can stand for the people and be the voice of the people with some strong political power.
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This is just the reason why Africa is backwards in development because they do not do the real thing. Instead to vote for a leader that can deliver , can  do the job very well they will prefer to choose someone from same tribe, religion who can not do anything, forgetting that bad governance doesn't know tribe , it affects every one. This has been the way Africa people have been choosing their leaders, they don't choose someone who can deliver but choose people according to tribe.
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Well it's frustrating how leaders bank on tribal or sectarian support, ignoring merit and fostering corruption. Holding people accountable for enabling these leaders is a big deal. Until voters prioritize merit over identity, change won't happen. It's up to all of us to demand integrity from our leaders. Let's break the cycle and elect those who truly serve the people, not their own interests
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I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

I don't think that is absolutely correct that you will hold people accountable for creating corrupt leader. So in a democracy, before a new government is formed they conduct election for the candidates who have shown interest to to be voted for, so you can only be correct in your submission if people did not come out to vote their choice and most times the people have majority of their vote to one candidate but what happens after election is what determines who the few in power want and they will manipulate the result of the election and announce a wrong candidate. In this case would you say the people voted a corrupt leader?

The bulk of the people leading are not the choice of the people especially in third world countries where corruption is very high.

Therefore, it is not the fault of the people that their leaders are corrupt.

This may be limited to third world country with extremely corrupt officials as well. I got your point this is something which would be exceptional cases but unfortunately there are higher chances of such things to occur in most of the third world/under developed nations. The only way out for them is a genuine leader coming out of corrupt political party or a change of heart from corrupt leaders.

Yes, I cannot blame people in this situation and I think Egypt and Syria are great example wherein the opposition is selected by the ruling party which eradicates the chances of genuine opponents.
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I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

I don't think that is absolutely correct that you will hold people accountable for creating corrupt leader. So in a democracy, before a new government is formed they conduct election for the candidates who have shown interest to to be voted for, so you can only be correct in your submission if people did not come out to vote their choice and most times the people have majority of their vote to one candidate but what happens after election is what determines who the few in power want and they will manipulate the result of the election and announce a wrong candidate. In this case would you say the people voted a corrupt leader?

The bulk of the people leading are not the choice of the people especially in third world countries where corruption is very high.

Therefore, it is not the fault of the people that their leaders are corrupt.
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We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Well, this notion is changing with every passing year. Now, people are more aware of what is best for them and their country. The influence of politicians based on caste and fear is fading and people are looking for a representative who is answerable to them. I am talking about Pakistan. In the recent elections, people have voted against the military-backed political parties and in favour of jailed former Prime Minister Imran Khan. Khan's backed independents won over 160 seats as per early estimates and the military rigged the elections in broad daylight to cut Khan's independents to around 90. They won despite a severe crackdown on the Khan's party, kidnapping, snatching nomination papers, sealing and demolishing their businesses and houses etc. Things are continuously changing and it appears that the army is losing control over the people.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/17/senior-pakistan-official-admits-election-rigging-as-protests-grip-country
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/18/world/asia/pakistan-election.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-68302678
https://www.economist.com/asia/2024/02/09/confusion-reigns-in-pakistans-rigged-election
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/3/11/pakistan-police-crack-down-on-pti-protests-over-alleged-rigging-in-election
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-lawmakers-demand-probe-into-pakistan-election-rigging-allegations/7511045.html
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I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Well stating this in a nation where the vote if people can't is acceptable not in a nation where citizens vote and right are not considered. The nation like my nation were few lawyers called judges turn down the vote if millions of people and the arm forces stop citizens from protesting and even citizens vote don't count, result are change u can say that stating to hold people or citizens responsible for curruption leaders is not ideal.
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The leaders are not the only corrupt ones involved in the menace happening in the societies, they make use of the citizens as well in joining them make the practice of these corruption and they accepted working for them as their errand dogs to engage in all forms of corruption, but when we know our rights, no one can deceive us and tell us what is not, we need to just believe in ourselves and the future in us that we can make it even without the help of any corrupt means.
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Politics are easy today to those that have money. As long as they're popular, with money and even celebrities. This is how the politics system in most countries.

But some countries still stand still and straight with principles with their politics. Most that we know of that are involved on it are dirty and they don't really get into the real help to their people but only to take everyone's taxes and put it on their pockets.

Well, this is for the corrupt leaders as I'm talking.
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Nepotism and tribalism has led to bad leadership and corrupt government, and still the citizens will not learn from their mistakes because they feel that it is better for someone that they know to be in power even though he is incompetent. Forgetting the damage that such decisions actions will do to the people and the economy of the country.

In my country, I must say that they citizens have understood that they are the ones to vote out bad government, but the Independent Electoral body is the one kills the meaning of democracy in the country. This is because after collecting bribe, he announces the wrong person as the winner of the election, and put the whole country is a mess and the economy in a very bad shape. That body should be dissolved if my country needs a leader of their choice to be in power.

That's really bad it's lie entire country suffering for no fault of theirs just because of greedy electoral body and as long as electoral body like this exists nothing is going to change and we have already seen what happens when people raises against government and protest if it's developed nation then it's sorted peacefully by agreeing with demand of people but countries like African nations and Arab countries it becomes genocide where government indiscriminately kills its people and makes it a civil war like we are witnessing in Syria and Yemen.
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Nepotism and tribalism has led to bad leadership and corrupt government, and still the citizens will not learn from their mistakes because they feel that it is better for someone that they know to be in power even though he is incompetent. Forgetting the damage that such decisions actions will do to the people and the economy of the country.

In my country, I must say that they citizens have understood that they are the ones to vote out bad government, but the Independent Electoral body is the one kills the meaning of democracy in the country. This is because after collecting bribe, he announces the wrong person as the winner of the election, and put the whole country is a mess and the economy in a very bad shape. That body should be dissolved if my country needs a leader of their choice to be in power.
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Okay here, how a leader shouldn't even be a bothering if maybe he was manipulated or got into the political positions by sentiments. Already politics is a game of interest whereas everyone do have their rights to decide on who they'd vote for and who to stand by with during political powers but where this problem lies is implying same technical sentiments on a rulership.
While as a leader, there shouldn't be segregation and every regional and ethical sentiments should be abolished and ignored by the political leaders so as to batch a unified, equality and a credible government.

After winning an election or getting into power by politics, the same politics of biasing shouldn't be adopted or elongated during the leadership of the individual because everyone is ought to be under one cabinet of one governance. This is the reason why politics is not meant for the cheap hearts who can't bear pressures or being childish of extending grudges defaulting citizens uncallfully without being deserved with such defaulters.
Hence everyone ethnical, sentimental and incompetent politicians must be aware that the game of Politics has not end nor a retirement stage so, you must understand that you'll always be in need of the masses votes either by voice, accreditation of reputations or otherwise sometimes and or most times. So, when you're opportuned to batch into power, do not abuse the people because you feels you'd not be in need of the masses anymore but if you do, then that is an elementary stage for you as a politician.
So mainly I don't have problem on whether vote counts or not but my problem is the governance of taking everyone all along

All we wanted is nothing but good leaders of credibilities because whom the masses wanted in initially might not really be what he the politicians portrayed in his political reality life.
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I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

This depends on the kind of country you come from and their electoral process and how much transparent it is, because in my own country where I come from there is no transparency in the electoral process and the political system in some  cadres are more like a selection than election because individual votes doesn't count but being mastermind or influence by those in authority. The truth remains that the political system are corrupt generally.
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Mate, you are taking about voting? I know many counties and many states where correped leaders stealing votes, votes are given by unknown people or authority, even many time they organize dummy election so that they can show the world, they have won the election with majority of votes but people know the truth but most of people become silance due to fair. They can't fight with Such politicial leaders who controls the government, administration and everything. So some people keep supporting them blindly so get some facilities. This is the truth but who cares.
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We have often seen how leaders who got into power because of backing from their tribe, sect or regional and ethnicities are the most corrupt ones because they knows that their people will vote for them regardless they do any good work or not. Look at African nations and even some Arab nations the reason why they are going through corruption and suffering is because people don't vote based on merit rather on personal relationship like sect, ethnicity or religion and then there comes countries like India and Pakistan where they win based on vote from majority community by instilling fear that minorities gonna rule them if not votes to power and next five years everyone suffers.

I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

It actually true especially in Africa here where their are so many tribes and different enthnic, and to me, it's very wrong and that especially has emboldened the corrupt politicians to do things with reckless impunity believing that his or her tribe are behind them if the people revolt against them.

Lastly, in our society today, mostly in Africa and most part of Asia, evil people are progressing to a higher stage of evil and they are doing more evil with reckless impunity because people that should have stopped them mostly stay silent in the face of evil because they feels like it not affecting them at present, which is very wrong, until they curb that menace, corruption will continue to strive in the society.
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March 17, 2024, 01:38:17 PM
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That is the role of propaganda and political indoctrination, I think. You know to keep the corrupt leaders in power regardless of their merits, only being based on the power and the shady influence those leaders keep over people who are supposed to know better, for the sake of the future of their country...
Unfortunately, it is something common here in Latin America, where populism and literal brain washing have taken place in our countries. I have never been in Africa, but I guess it must not be very different from what one could find here.

Politics is a topic which unfortunately meritocracy is not as appreciated as It should be. I still believe there is hope for most countries in Africa, but it will take the personal growth of their people and a long period of time for them to self-reflex on their situation.
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March 17, 2024, 12:28:10 PM
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I would hold people accountable for being in an creating a corrupt leaders rather than the leaders themself.

Based on the scenario that you are talking about, the third world countries are mostly suffering not because of the people, not the individual people but those institutions that oversee to the election of new government, that is where the fault is. If there is high level corruption within the electoral system, no matter the purity in the election or voting rightly, it will be manipulated at the top and that is at the collation centre. The umpire of elections need to be devoid of interest and bribe taking before the election will produce rightful candidates that are voted by the majority. So most times the people know the right candidate whether he is from minority or not and they turn out in mass to vote but at the dawn of the night the contrary result will be announced.

It is not the people that makes the leader. It is just selected few who organise the onslaught against the people through manipulation of election result and make the people to suffer and live in penury. The law and judiciary is also used to the favour of those who have been manipulated into power and no matter how brilliant the opposition lawyer is, he doesn't succeed to get the people's mandate back and that takes the people backwards until another election year. This is unfortunate and the reason some continent are still backwards, bad leadership is a bane to democracy.
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I agree, mate. When all the political candidates running for positions in the government are corrupt and useless, the country is doomed. We have no choice but only to choose the “least evil” among the candidates. But when there is a candidate that is credible and capable of leading the country and we still don’t choose that candidate, the problem is in the people.

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Depending on how the electoral rules are designed, by choosing the "least evil" we are excluding those parties which may have good proposals, but we foresee that they won't win.

It's the case of, for example, a country where there are two leading candidates, one of them in the center and the other far-left or right. People would prefer to vote the center in order to make it more difficult for extremists to come to power, rather than voting a third party that has no chance of winning, but it was our favourite.
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