3 months since the OP warned us and still the US hasn't even moved troops into staging areas let alone prepped an invasion of Iran.
Anyone taking bets on this still being the case in 3 more months ?
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True. Iran would love to to sell oil for other currencies than USD. The Empire doesn't like that. It's something that can absolutely not be allowed. Iraq tried it, see what happened: first Saddam Hussein (former CIA agent) was installed and when he acted up, he was "removed from office" (they couldn't kill him, so the military had to move in).
The US-Dollar isn't backed by gold any more, it's backed by oil and the US military. A fall of the USD would seal the fall of the US Empire, it cannot be allowed.
Additionally: a war is always good for the military industrial complex. While it doesn't generate wealth, it surely grows the economy. After all: that's how the USA got out of the great depression.
I can't imaginge either Iran nor the US to back down on this one and it involves many other countries' interests, too. WW3?
These charts always ignore the arctic:
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The total mean undiscovered conventional oil and gas resources of the Arctic are estimated to be approximately 90 billion barrels of oil, 1,669 trillion cubic feet of natural gas, and 44 billion barrels of natural gas liquids.
http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2008/3049/fs2008-3049.pdfAnd after that there's a whole continent at the south pole that used to be jungle. It is just really hard to get at the oil down there. I think we will see an independent Antarctica within the next 100 years. Maybe they'll team up with the seasteaders, be a mercantile civ and use bitcoin?
Jim Rickards interview about possible iran war.
He too is seriously misguided or misguiding. No one with any knowledge of the facts is saying Iran is working on a nuclear weapon today. No one. Not the US intelligence agencies, not the IAEA, not even the US secretary of defense.
Iran is developing the technologies it is explicitly entitled to under the non proliferation treaty (which it signed), and those are the technologies that are needed to be nuclear independent; the so called "full cycle". You can not seriously expect them to give up that right and become dependent on the US or its puppets for nuclear fuel.
Under the NPT and the additional protocol that Iran signed, and the inspections that go with it, its virtually unthinkable a state could secretly build a nuke. If they wanted to build one, they would have to pull out of the NPT and kick the inspectors out. Then it would take them about 2 years before they could have an actual bomb. Which is btw, what north korea did.
The idea that Iran is on the brink of obtaining nukes is laughable. They are on the brink of obtaining most of the technology, which would put them on the same footing as Japan or Germany. You cant deny them that knowledge and its not an imminent threat. If ever Iran would change its mind, we would still have ample time to respond.
Jim Rickards interview about possible iran war.
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2012/1/14_Jim_Rickards_files/Jim%20Rickards%201%3A14%3A2012.mp3
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2012/1/14_Jim_Rickards_files/Jim%20Rickards%201%3A14%3A2012.mp3
I still see no clear evidence pointing to anything actually happening.
Let's hope things will get handled in a prudent fashion.
I still see no clear evidence pointing to anything actually happening.
http://www.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/iran/US-Rescues-Iranians-Held-Hostage-by-Pirates-136843453.html
Maybe this cut some tension...
Maybe this cut some tension...
US is moving thousands of troops to Israel...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgn04hW2i44&feature=g-all-u&context=G23850b8FAAAAAAAABAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgn04hW2i44&feature=g-all-u&context=G23850b8FAAAAAAAABAA
I agree P4man - I totally agree. But when dealing with paranoid nutters who think 9/11 was a government trick on the American public, its best to cover all bases.
Fair point. If the mullahs did attack the US mainland or kill significant numbers of American civilians, all bets would be off.
lol what? Thats never gonna happen. Iran has zero interest in doing that, and they likely dont even have the ability. Nothing about Irans posturing or actions is aggressive, its all defensive and in response to endless threats, sanctions and actual hostilities and western sponsored terrorism.
Like I said before, I dont want idealize their regime, nor do I envy people living under the Iranian regime (though its much better than, say Saudi Arabia), but I actually greatly admire Irans international policies. No regime in the world has a bigger incentive to develop nuclear weapons, yet if put aside the rethoric and look at the facts, all indications are they are not working on one, they keep adhering to the non proliferation treaty (unlike the US and Israel) and they keep willing to talk and negotiate with the UN, the IAEA even the US, despite all that the US is doing to them.
They have shown extreme restraint considering everything thats being done to them. We constantly lie about what they say and do trying to scapegoat them. We deny them their "inalienable" right to nuclear energy despite having a signed a treaty with them that specifically grants them that right. We routinely conduct terrorist attacks inside Iran, we constantly threaten them with war, yet another regime change and we even refuse to rule out a nuclear attack. We sanction them in just about any possible way. And how does Iran react? With dignity and honor IMO.
Anyway, Iran is not about to invade the US or any other country for that matter, Iran does not want war; the only ones that want war are certain fractions within the US and Israel, so what is much more likely is a Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Whether or not staged, faked, provoked, accidental or real, Iran certainly does have the capability to do some serious damage to US military assets in their backyard. And that might be exactly what some people are hoping for, but not in Teheran.
well said, +1
Fair point. If the mullahs did attack the US mainland or kill significant numbers of American civilians, all bets would be off.
lol what? Thats never gonna happen. Iran has zero interest in doing that, and they likely dont even have the ability. Nothing about Irans posturing or actions is aggressive, its all defensive and in response to endless threats, sanctions and actual hostilities and western sponsored terrorism.
Like I said before, I dont want idealize their regime, nor do I envy people living under the Iranian regime (though its much better than, say Saudi Arabia), but I actually greatly admire Irans international policies. No regime in the world has a bigger incentive to develop nuclear weapons, yet if put aside the rethoric and look at the facts, all indications are they are not working on one, they keep adhering to the non proliferation treaty (unlike the US and Israel) and they keep willing to talk and negotiate with the UN, the IAEA even the US, despite all that the US is doing to them.
They have shown extreme restraint considering everything thats being done to them. We constantly lie about what they say and do trying to scapegoat them. We deny them their "inalienable" right to nuclear energy despite having a signed a treaty with them that specifically grants them that right. We routinely conduct terrorist attacks inside Iran, we constantly threaten them with war, yet another regime change and we even refuse to rule out a nuclear attack. We sanction them in just about any possible way. And how does Iran react? With dignity and honor IMO.
Anyway, Iran is not about to invade the US or any other country for that matter, Iran does not want war; the only ones that want war are certain fractions within the US and Israel, so what is much more likely is a Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Whether or not staged, faked, provoked, accidental or real, Iran certainly does have the capability to do some serious damage to US military assets in their backyard. And that might be exactly what some people are hoping for, but not in Teheran.
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
Unless "something big" was to happen, something like the sinking of the lusitania, Pearl Harbour, the gulf of Tonkin incident, or 9/11.
Fair point. If the mullahs did attack the US mainland or kill significant numbers of American civilians, all bets would be off.
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
Unless "something big" was to happen, something like the sinking of the lusitania, Pearl Harbour, the gulf of Tonkin incident, or 9/11.
Turkiye'ye hos geldin.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
An invasion and occupation of Iran isnt going to happen. Attempting it would make Vietnam look like a cakewalk. That doesnt mean there will not be a war. Similar to the Libyan war, or at least that might be the plan (ie, airstrikes).
In many respects that war is already on; the west is already blowing up stuff in Iran, violating Irans airspace, assassinating scientists and political leaders, funding terrorist within Iran and the latest round of US sanction, if fully implemented, are nothing short of an act of war. The only question is if Iran will react. While its hard to defend the Iranian regime in the broad sense, I will credit them for restraining themselves and being completely reasonable so far in their international relations.
Someone who gets it! The US and Iran have been fighting an undeclared war since 1979 and most likely will carry on doing so for a long long time.
True. Iran would love to to sell oil for other currencies than USD. The Empire doesn't like that. It's something that can absolutely not be allowed. Iraq tried it, see what happened: first Saddam Hussein (former CIA agent) was installed and when he acted up, he was "removed from office" (they couldn't kill him, so the military had to move in).
The US-Dollar isn't backed by gold any more, it's backed by oil and the US military. A fall of the USD would seal the fall of the US Empire, it cannot be allowed.
Additionally: a war is always good for the military industrial complex. While it doesn't generate wealth, it surely grows the economy. After all: that's how the USA got out of the great depression.
I can't imaginge either Iran nor the US to back down on this one and it involves many other countries' interests, too. WW3?
Turkiye'ye hos geldin.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
An invasion and occupation of Iran isnt going to happen. Attempting it would make Vietnam look like a cakewalk. That doesnt mean there will not be a war. Similar to the Libyan war, or at least that might be the plan (ie, airstrikes).
In many respects that war is already on; the west is already blowing up stuff in Iran, violating Irans airspace, assassinating scientists and political leaders, funding terrorist within Iran and the latest round of US sanction, if fully implemented, are nothing short of an act of war. The only question is if Iran will react. While its hard to defend the Iranian regime in the broad sense, I will credit them for restraining themselves and being completely reasonable so far in their international relations.
Someone who gets it! The US and Iran have been fighting an undeclared war since 1979 and most likely will carry on doing so for a long long time.
Wars begin where you will, but do not end where you please. -- Machiavelli
Ronald Reagan 2012
Ross Perot 2012
Turkiye'ye hos geldin.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
You guys really are desperate to believe there will be a war with Iran.
There is a fair chance Barack Obama will win in November. But that chance falls to zero if he goes to war with Iran. Iraq cost 4500 lives and over a trillion. Iran is over 4 times the size, it has been preparing for invasion since 2003 and the place is huge. The notion that a country that can't defeat a ragtag militia in Afghanistan will suddenly find the stomach for occupying a huge well armed country is laughable
Think about it. Are you really thinking that any Presidential hopeful, let alone a frail plant like Obama, would go to the US public on a track record of 18,000 extra combat deaths and an extra $4 trillion borrowing to finance it? No way - it won't happen.
If there is a military intervention, it will be well after the US elections. Anyone telling you otherwise is nuts.
An invasion and occupation of Iran isnt going to happen. Attempting it would make Vietnam look like a cakewalk. That doesnt mean there will not be a war. Similar to the Libyan war, or at least that might be the plan (ie, airstrikes).
In many respects that war is already on; the west is already blowing up stuff in Iran, violating Irans airspace, assassinating scientists and political leaders, funding terrorist within Iran and the latest round of US sanction, if fully implemented, are nothing short of an act of war. The only question is if Iran will react. While its hard to defend the Iranian regime in the broad sense, I will credit them for restraining themselves and being completely reasonable so far in their international relations.
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