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January 27, 2023, 03:23:31 AM
I am obviously not that hopeful that this will be successful but even if you see Hockey there are just 4--5 teams in the top league rest really don't stand a chance for the race in medals. So less competition shouldn't be the criteria for a game not being part of Olympics. Moreover it's a game which can get some viewership and revenues and well for Olympics, but yes I have always felt Olympics as a place where less popular sports get the attention. I don't want cricket to steal their thunder.
So you believe that including cricket in Olympics will be unfair to the other sports? In that case why we have football, basketball and field hockey in Olympics? In terms of popularity, these sports are played in far more countries when compared to cricket. I want cricket to be included in Olympics because in most of the countries government grants are only provided to Olympic sports. And given the bias from ICC (where associate nations usually receive less than 1% of the funds that the full members receive), these grants from the government can be a game changer for countries such as Namibia and Kenya.
Olympics is a place where the best athletes around the world meet once every 4 years. Despite football being the most popular sport in the planet, many of the star players have participated in the Games. Cristiano Ronaldo represented Portugal in 2004, and Lionel Messi took part in the 2008 edition. If we take the case of basketball, NBA legends such as Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James have been part of Olympic squads. Cricket is being the odd one, having refused to take part in this competition till now.

It is supposed to be a great honor for any player to take part in the Olympics as well. But the problem is, as you said, "cricket has been the odd one". And it is not because the players do not want to play in the Olympics. It is because the cricket authority, the ICC does not want cricket to be included in the Olympics.

I also think that some cricket boards also do not want cricket to be included in the Olympics to some extent. As a sports body, the ICC should want which is the absolute best for the game. But they just want to think about money. That's why cricket took so long to be included in the Olympics. And even when it is being included in the Olympics it is only six teams play in the Olympics. Which is not a great sign. This means the sports body and certain cricket boards still do not want cricket to be included in the Olympics. They are just doing it because they have to.
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January 27, 2023, 12:54:20 AM
The general consensus among Cricket fans is that if they include Cricket in the Olympics more countries will be taking a keen interest in the sport and allocating budget for the sport which will help the sport in the longer run and with the T20 format it is the best time to introduce Cricket for the global audience.
I understand what you're trying to say here, but it isn't guaranteed that inclusion of the sport in the Olympics will help it in the long run since it could actually have the reverse effect and cause a drop in its popularity.

Frankly, the main reason that cricket was dropped from the Olympics a long time ago was because it didn't attract many viewers.
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January 26, 2023, 10:10:35 PM
I am obviously not that hopeful that this will be successful but even if you see Hockey there are just 4--5 teams in the top league rest really don't stand a chance for the race in medals. So less competition shouldn't be the criteria for a game not being part of Olympics. Moreover it's a game which can get some viewership and revenues and well for Olympics, but yes I have always felt Olympics as a place where less popular sports get the attention. I don't want cricket to steal their thunder.

So you believe that including cricket in Olympics will be unfair to the other sports? In that case why we have football, basketball and field hockey in Olympics? In terms of popularity, these sports are played in far more countries when compared to cricket. I want cricket to be included in Olympics because in most of the countries government grants are only provided to Olympic sports. And given the bias from ICC (where associate nations usually receive less than 1% of the funds that the full members receive), these grants from the government can be a game changer for countries such as Namibia and Kenya.

Olympics is a place where the best athletes around the world meet once every 4 years. Despite football being the most popular sport in the planet, many of the star players have participated in the Games. Cristiano Ronaldo represented Portugal in 2004, and Lionel Messi took part in the 2008 edition. If we take the case of basketball, NBA legends such as Shaquille O'Neal and LeBron James have been part of Olympic squads. Cricket is being the odd one, having refused to take part in this competition till now.
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January 26, 2023, 04:27:20 PM
I don't really understand this whole craze surrounding inclusion of cricket in olympics. The Olympics is usually known for their track, swimming etc events(Not soccer, basketball etc).
Olympics is meant to be the best competing against the best, but team sporting events like Football does have some restrictions as there is an age limit and it is implemented by FIFA and usually professional basketball players does not participate in these events even though there is not such restrictions, the only restriction i know that is in place in professional boxers are not allowed to compete but the rest of the events are the best participating against the best.

The general consensus among Cricket fans is that if they include Cricket in the Olympics more countries will be taking a keen interest in the sport and allocating budget for the sport which will help the sport in the longer run and with the T20 format it is the best time to introduce Cricket for the global audience.
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January 26, 2023, 01:42:15 PM
Actually it is not even 6 teams. Since the United States will qualify as being the hosts, there will be a total of 5 quality teams. Out of the 5 teams, 3 will win medals. I believe that the ICC has underestimated IOC. They are probably thinking that IOC will agree to whatever unreasonable demand that they make. In order for cricket to be just considered for Olympic participation, it took almost two decades of lobbying. All that hard work is wasted because Greg Barclay and the other businessmen doesn't want cricket to be in Olympics.

Actually, it is very easy to understand why that happened. If there is a qualification system, the bigger teams will face trouble. And even if there are 10 teams playing directly in the Olympics, there is a high chance that to make the groups interesting there will have to be bigger teams put against each other in the early stages.

So, they did not want to take that risk as well. They wanted to do everything by keeping the big teams as safe as they can. But obviously, they are facing a lot of backlash from fans. The problem is they are not going to change anything. It was just dumb.
Lol so only 5 teams are going to compete in Olympics,  this is height of stupidity form ICC what erre they thinking before giving this proposal.  And Jay Shah is so much involved in this matter too obviously directing ICC what to do and what no to do.
Let's see what  lOC comes up with? 
I am obviously not that hopeful that this will be successful but even if you see Hockey there are just 4--5 teams in the top league rest really don't stand a chance for the race in medals. So less competition shouldn't be the criteria for a game not being part of Olympics. Moreover it's a game which can get some viewership and revenues and well for Olympics, but yes I have always felt Olympics as a place where less popular sports get the attention. I don't want cricket to steal their thunder.
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January 26, 2023, 01:34:41 PM
Actually it is not even 6 teams. Since the United States will qualify as being the hosts, there will be a total of 5 quality teams. Out of the 5 teams, 3 will win medals. I believe that the ICC has underestimated IOC. They are probably thinking that IOC will agree to whatever unreasonable demand that they make. In order for cricket to be just considered for Olympic participation, it took almost two decades of lobbying. All that hard work is wasted because Greg Barclay and the other businessmen doesn't want cricket to be in Olympics.

Actually, it is very easy to understand why that happened. If there is a qualification system, the bigger teams will face trouble. And even if there are 10 teams playing directly in the Olympics, there is a high chance that to make the groups interesting there will have to be bigger teams put against each other in the early stages.

So, they did not want to take that risk as well. They wanted to do everything by keeping the big teams as safe as they can. But obviously, they are facing a lot of backlash from fans. The problem is they are not going to change anything. It was just dumb.
Lol so only 5 teams are going to compete in Olympics,  this is height of stupidity form ICC what erre they thinking before giving this proposal.  And Jay Shah is so much involved in this matter too obviously directing ICC what to do and what no to do.
Let's see what  lOC comes up with? 
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January 26, 2023, 11:57:54 AM
I don't really understand this whole craze surrounding inclusion of cricket in olympics. The Olympics is usually known for their track, swimming etc events(Not soccer, basketball etc).

I suggest redirecting all the focus towards more important things like domestic and international league development, better salaries etc instead.
Although cricket is still not certain in Olympics but many things can be changed after passing long time so Olympics can also allow cricket. The International Cricket Council is making maximum efforts in the globalization of cricket. For that purpose, the head organization of the sport is trying to include cricket in the biggest event of the sports world, the Olympic Games. Each country as host has the opportunity to add some new games. The list of all the games including the added games will be submitted to the International Olympic Committee by March. In addition to cricket, the IOC meeting in October will finalize the inclusion several sports in the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics, including baseball, flag football, lacrosse, break dancing, kickboxing, squash and motorsports.
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January 26, 2023, 10:25:43 AM
I don't really understand this whole craze surrounding inclusion of cricket in olympics. The Olympics is usually known for their track, swimming etc events(Not soccer, basketball etc).

I suggest redirecting all the focus towards more important things like domestic and international league development, better salaries etc instead.
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January 26, 2023, 07:25:34 AM
Actually it is not even 6 teams. Since the United States will qualify as being the hosts, there will be a total of 5 quality teams. Out of the 5 teams, 3 will win medals. I believe that the ICC has underestimated IOC. They are probably thinking that IOC will agree to whatever unreasonable demand that they make. In order for cricket to be just considered for Olympic participation, it took almost two decades of lobbying. All that hard work is wasted because Greg Barclay and the other businessmen doesn't want cricket to be in Olympics.

Actually, it is very easy to understand why that happened. If there is a qualification system, the bigger teams will face trouble. And even if there are 10 teams playing directly in the Olympics, there is a high chance that to make the groups interesting there will have to be bigger teams put against each other in the early stages.

So, they did not want to take that risk as well. They wanted to do everything by keeping the big teams as safe as they can. But obviously, they are facing a lot of backlash from fans. The problem is they are not going to change anything. It was just dumb.
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January 26, 2023, 05:47:47 AM
Actually, it is very true. Three out of six teams getting medals is absolutely going to mean that the teams are not going to even try so hard. Because they basically know that in one way or another, they are going to get medals. It is going to fact for the bigger teams like India, Australia, and England to win the gold because obviously, it is going to be something to remember which team won the first gold medal in the Olympics in cricket.

But other than them, I do not think the other teams will actually try the hardest. If we look at it from another angle, we can also say that the top 3 teams are going to find it very easy to win medals in this competition. And that's what ICC wants as well.

Actually it is not even 6 teams. Since the United States will qualify as being the hosts, there will be a total of 5 quality teams. Out of the 5 teams, 3 will win medals. I believe that the ICC has underestimated IOC. They are probably thinking that IOC will agree to whatever unreasonable demand that they make. In order for cricket to be just considered for Olympic participation, it took almost two decades of lobbying. All that hard work is wasted because Greg Barclay and the other businessmen doesn't want cricket to be in Olympics.
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January 26, 2023, 05:15:15 AM
Now, I have no better words from @JSRAW because he already gives them proper 100% right feedback about their qualities and abilities which are they doing for the progress of this game from current update as you also mention we will have only 5 teams which will participate in this Olympics game and these will join this event without any qualifying round so look like things are going into negative way from the start and with this all we have no chance for the cricket to have spot in these games it's just for the paper work with they are not serious about this all.

Squash and Baseball having better chance for the qualification in these games because these both games having better system and things which are required for the participant countries with these associations are also doing better effort, hopefully we will be out with some respect and enjoy these defer without any better effort in next few years.

I spent some time comparing with other Olympic team sports. I don't want to compare football, since it is immensely popular, and therefore went with field hockey and handball.

In case of field hockey, the main tournament had participation from 12 countries. Japan qualified as hosts in 2020, and one team each qualified as the winners from Asian Games, Pan American Games, African Olympic Qualifier, EuroHockey Championship and Oceania Cup. The remaining 7 teams came from the FIH Olympic Qualifiers. Teams participating in FIH Olympic Qualifiers were further selected from FIH Pro League and FIH Series Finals. So in total more than 40 teams took part in the qualifying tournament. In case of handball also, it was similar. Apart from regional tournaments, other teams qualified through IHF Men's Olympic Qualification Tournaments, and there were 12 participants.

I am not sure how the ICC's proposal will gat accepted, given it has no qualifying tournament.

I guess ICC is going to show that they are trying to give the best teams chances to play in the Olympics. But I still think that not having a qualifying round or system is acceptable. And I still do not understand how someone can accept only six teams going into the Olympics to represent cricket. Especially when cricket is one of the most popular sports in the whole world.

Honestly, what can you expect? Cricket is mostly played regularly by only 10- 12 teams in the whole world. If we look at that only six teams going to the Olympics to represent cricket is certainly not absolutely unbelievable.

In cricket 10 to 12 teams play regularly where few teams who are perform well. If you think from that point of view, there is no way to say that the participation of 6 teams according to the ranking is unreasonable. But as the matter is still pending nothing can be said till the final decision is taken. If there is cricket, it is likely to be in this format, but the IOC meeting will be held in Mumbai next October. It will be decided whether there will be cricket or not.
In this way ICC is going to send only best and strong teams in Olympics like India,  Australia,  Newzealand,  Pakistan,  South Africa and England which are top 6 in ICC rankings.
That might be unfair to remaining teams but this would be the first time icc is going to participate in Olympics and you never know how things will be.
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January 26, 2023, 05:10:54 AM
If there is a competition where 3 out of the 6 teams are provided with Olympic medals, then it will degrade the importance of Olympics as such. Take the case of football. Close to 200 countries take part in the Olympic qualifiers and the main tournament consists of 16 teams. So 200 countries are participating for a total of 3 medals. Now how can you justify 6 countries competing for 3 medals (given that there is no qualifying tournament)?. The ICC has made a mockery of the IOC application process and we can rule out cricket being part of the Olympic Games at least for the next two decades.

Actually, it is very true. Three out of six teams getting medals is absolutely going to mean that the teams are not going to even try so hard. Because they basically know that in one way or another, they are going to get medals. It is going to fact for the bigger teams like India, Australia, and England to win the gold because obviously, it is going to be something to remember which team won the first gold medal in the Olympics in cricket.

But other than them, I do not think the other teams will actually try the hardest. If we look at it from another angle, we can also say that the top 3 teams are going to find it very easy to win medals in this competition. And that's what ICC wants as well.
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January 26, 2023, 12:11:01 AM
Now, I have no better words from @JSRAW because he already gives them proper 100% right feedback about their qualities and abilities which are they doing for the progress of this game from current update as you also mention we will have only 5 teams which will participate in this Olympics game and these will join this event without any qualifying round so look like things are going into negative way from the start and with this all we have no chance for the cricket to have spot in these games it's just for the paper work with they are not serious about this all.

Squash and Baseball having better chance for the qualification in these games because these both games having better system and things which are required for the participant countries with these associations are also doing better effort, hopefully we will be out with some respect and enjoy these defer without any better effort in next few years.

I spent some time comparing with other Olympic team sports. I don't want to compare football, since it is immensely popular, and therefore went with field hockey and handball.

In case of field hockey, the main tournament had participation from 12 countries. Japan qualified as hosts in 2020, and one team each qualified as the winners from Asian Games, Pan American Games, African Olympic Qualifier, EuroHockey Championship and Oceania Cup. The remaining 7 teams came from the FIH Olympic Qualifiers. Teams participating in FIH Olympic Qualifiers were further selected from FIH Pro League and FIH Series Finals. So in total more than 40 teams took part in the qualifying tournament. In case of handball also, it was similar. Apart from regional tournaments, other teams qualified through IHF Men's Olympic Qualification Tournaments, and there were 12 participants.

I am not sure how the ICC's proposal will gat accepted, given it has no qualifying tournament.

I guess ICC is going to show that they are trying to give the best teams chances to play in the Olympics. But I still think that not having a qualifying round or system is acceptable. And I still do not understand how someone can accept only six teams going into the Olympics to represent cricket. Especially when cricket is one of the most popular sports in the whole world.

Honestly, what can you expect? Cricket is mostly played regularly by only 10- 12 teams in the whole world. If we look at that only six teams going to the Olympics to represent cricket is certainly not absolutely unbelievable.

In cricket 10 to 12 teams play regularly where few teams who are perform well. If you think from that point of view, there is no way to say that the participation of 6 teams according to the ranking is unreasonable. But as the matter is still pending nothing can be said till the final decision is taken. If there is cricket, it is likely to be in this format, but the IOC meeting will be held in Mumbai next October. It will be decided whether there will be cricket or not.
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January 25, 2023, 10:35:38 PM
I guess ICC is going to show that they are trying to give the best teams chances to play in the Olympics. But I still think that not having a qualifying round or system is acceptable. And I still do not understand how someone can accept only six teams going into the Olympics to represent cricket. Especially when cricket is one of the most popular sports in the whole world.

Honestly, what can you expect? Cricket is mostly played regularly by only 10- 12 teams in the whole world. If we look at that only six teams going to the Olympics to represent cricket is certainly not absolutely unbelievable.

If there is a competition where 3 out of the 6 teams are provided with Olympic medals, then it will degrade the importance of Olympics as such. Take the case of football. Close to 200 countries take part in the Olympic qualifiers and the main tournament consists of 16 teams. So 200 countries are participating for a total of 3 medals. Now how can you justify 6 countries competing for 3 medals (given that there is no qualifying tournament)?. The ICC has made a mockery of the IOC application process and we can rule out cricket being part of the Olympic Games at least for the next two decades.
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January 25, 2023, 05:05:10 AM
Now, I have no better words from @JSRAW because he already gives them proper 100% right feedback about their qualities and abilities which are they doing for the progress of this game from current update as you also mention we will have only 5 teams which will participate in this Olympics game and these will join this event without any qualifying round so look like things are going into negative way from the start and with this all we have no chance for the cricket to have spot in these games it's just for the paper work with they are not serious about this all.

Squash and Baseball having better chance for the qualification in these games because these both games having better system and things which are required for the participant countries with these associations are also doing better effort, hopefully we will be out with some respect and enjoy these defer without any better effort in next few years.

I spent some time comparing with other Olympic team sports. I don't want to compare football, since it is immensely popular, and therefore went with field hockey and handball.

In case of field hockey, the main tournament had participation from 12 countries. Japan qualified as hosts in 2020, and one team each qualified as the winners from Asian Games, Pan American Games, African Olympic Qualifier, EuroHockey Championship and Oceania Cup. The remaining 7 teams came from the FIH Olympic Qualifiers. Teams participating in FIH Olympic Qualifiers were further selected from FIH Pro League and FIH Series Finals. So in total more than 40 teams took part in the qualifying tournament. In case of handball also, it was similar. Apart from regional tournaments, other teams qualified through IHF Men's Olympic Qualification Tournaments, and there were 12 participants.

I am not sure how the ICC's proposal will gat accepted, given it has no qualifying tournament.

I guess ICC is going to show that they are trying to give the best teams chances to play in the Olympics. But I still think that not having a qualifying round or system is acceptable. And I still do not understand how someone can accept only six teams going into the Olympics to represent cricket. Especially when cricket is one of the most popular sports in the whole world.

Honestly, what can you expect? Cricket is mostly played regularly by only 10- 12 teams in the whole world. If we look at that only six teams going to the Olympics to represent cricket is certainly not absolutely unbelievable.
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January 24, 2023, 10:20:11 PM
Now, I have no better words from @JSRAW because he already gives them proper 100% right feedback about their qualities and abilities which are they doing for the progress of this game from current update as you also mention we will have only 5 teams which will participate in this Olympics game and these will join this event without any qualifying round so look like things are going into negative way from the start and with this all we have no chance for the cricket to have spot in these games it's just for the paper work with they are not serious about this all.

Squash and Baseball having better chance for the qualification in these games because these both games having better system and things which are required for the participant countries with these associations are also doing better effort, hopefully we will be out with some respect and enjoy these defer without any better effort in next few years.

I spent some time comparing with other Olympic team sports. I don't want to compare football, since it is immensely popular, and therefore went with field hockey and handball.

In case of field hockey, the main tournament had participation from 12 countries. Japan qualified as hosts in 2020, and one team each qualified as the winners from Asian Games, Pan American Games, African Olympic Qualifier, EuroHockey Championship and Oceania Cup. The remaining 7 teams came from the FIH Olympic Qualifiers. Teams participating in FIH Olympic Qualifiers were further selected from FIH Pro League and FIH Series Finals. So in total more than 40 teams took part in the qualifying tournament. In case of handball also, it was similar. Apart from regional tournaments, other teams qualified through IHF Men's Olympic Qualification Tournaments, and there were 12 participants.

I am not sure how the ICC's proposal will gat accepted, given it has no qualifying tournament.
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January 24, 2023, 10:23:01 AM
6 teams for Olympics lmao!

ICC should take chullu bhar pani and take a dip for good 5 mins. These *cukers are a shameless bunch.

BC inhe sharam bhi nahi aati aise proposal submit karne mein. Pata nahi kahan se late hai itna chutiyapa.
LOL.. I guess they don't want cricket in Olympics, but their fans are pressurizing them for the inclusion. So they at least need to show that they tried. A minimum of three medals will be there (gold, silver and bronze) and for three medals we can't have a competition with just 6 teams. And that too the ICC is proposing that there will be no qualifying tournament. So 6 teams (chosen by the ICC) will take part in the competition and 50% of them will win medals. Anyway, this is excellent news for other sports such as baseball and motorsport. IOC had shortlisted 9 sports including cricket. With the ICC submitting such a laughable format, I guess now it got reduced to 8 sports.

Also, 6-team tournament would mean that hosts (USA) gain an automatic entry. So it will be 5 full members + USA?
Now, I have no better words from @JSRAW because he already gives them proper 100% right feedback about their qualities and abilities which are they doing for the progress of this game from current update as you also mention we will have only 5 teams which will participate in this Olympics game and these will join this event without any qualifying round so look like things are going into negative way from the start and with this all we have no chance for the cricket to have spot in these games it's just for the paper work with they are not serious about this all.

Squash and Baseball having better chance for the qualification in these games because these both games having better system and things which are required for the participant countries with these associations are also doing better effort, hopefully we will be out with some respect and enjoy these defer without any better effort in next few years.
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January 24, 2023, 09:42:26 AM
6 teams for Olympics lmao!

ICC should take chullu bhar pani and take a dip for good 5 mins. These *cukers are a shameless bunch.

BC inhe sharam bhi nahi aati aise proposal submit karne mein. Pata nahi kahan se late hai itna chutiyapa.

LOL.. I guess they don't want cricket in Olympics, but their fans are pressurizing them for the inclusion. So they at least need to show that they tried. A minimum of three medals will be there (gold, silver and bronze) and for three medals we can't have a competition with just 6 teams. And that too the ICC is proposing that there will be no qualifying tournament. So 6 teams (chosen by the ICC) will take part in the competition and 50% of them will win medals. Anyway, this is excellent news for other sports such as baseball and motorsport. IOC had shortlisted 9 sports including cricket. With the ICC submitting such a laughable format, I guess now it got reduced to 8 sports.

Also, 6-team tournament would mean that hosts (USA) gain an automatic entry. So it will be 5 full members + USA?

i am new to the world of cricket and baseball, but even someone like me can see that these two sports need even more years of adoption by more countries to make it possible for them to be in the olympic games, i see no sense or urgent reason for them to be added in the Olympic games when they are only practiced by a few countries, I do not know how far baseball is evolving in each country, but I know that cricket is a limited sport in less than 8 or 9 countries that are more practiced, in my country for example there is no cricket and there is no baseball

now about motorsport this is a sport practiced in almost or even every corner of the world, even in my country it is practiced, I think they should give it a chance, if they add it to the olympic games then there would be many people watching and many countries would participate
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Also, 6-team tournament would mean that hosts (USA) gain an automatic entry. So it will be 5 full members + USA?


If that happens it'd be a already lost cause for USA so basically 5 teams competing for 3 medals  Tongue
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The latest news regarding Olympic inclusion of cricket is that the proposal from ICC is being reviewed by the International Olympic Committee (IOC). If it gets approved, then cricket will be included as a 6-team competition for the 2028 Los Angeles Olympics. But there are other sports competing for the same spot, including baseball, squash, kickboxing and motorspot. I am not much excited about this, because the ICC has managed to destroy any benefit that may come out of Olympic inclusion by making it a 6-team event. As per reliable sources, the decision from IOC will be finalized by October 2023.

Cricket is already a sports dominated by few countries. Even if it somehow makes it, it'd be thing to see who these 6 teams would be and if it turns out to be squash match like the 1900s Olympics.


@libert19 it’s a disgusting proposal, and I firmly believe that every fan who loves cricket will be hoping that it’s rejected. Furthermore guessing those 6 team’s is not difficult and as I have stated here that those 6 team’s probably will be 1) England 2) Australia 3) India 4) New Zealand 5) Pakistan and 6) South Africa and maybe Srilanka or Bangladesh can make a surprise entrance too, but the top 4 are definitely confirmed in my personal opinion to appear if the proposal by ICC is accepted.
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