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Quote from: WatChe on August 28, 2022, 01:38:47 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on August 28, 2022, 01:24:07 PM

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

Cricket is not a new game rather its as old as hills, still its not seen in any Olympics till date. The real reason is ICC along with big parties are not interested in taking cricket to Olympics. No matter how much you and me discuss here, its only about what ICC wants.

Some people are accusing that ICC is not showing interest. On the opposite, it sounds like the Olympic Association is not accepting it. In such a condition it is going through an oscillating situation. But in this case I am skeptical about the role of ICC. I think if cricket is taken to the Olympics it might not beneficial for them. But hopefully it will be included in the Olympics today or tomorrow.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 29, 2022, 08:58:11 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2022, 02:09:49 AM

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I don't know how accurate are these numbers. When the reserve price is $1.44 billion, how can SONY make a bid for $1.3 billion? Is this even allowed? As far as I know, the ICC hasn't made these figures public. So for now, it is pure speculation. My guess is that Sony's bid was a lot higher than $1.3 billion, and probably more than $2 billion. I would have preferred SONY, because their quality (both TV and online streaming) is much better than Disney-Star. Disney is a bit money minded and doesn't care much about the quality.

There was some provision on tenders that bidders are allowed to bid lower than the base price. This KSR guy is pretty reliable on money numbers, might not be accurate but 99% time he comes very close.

The recent bid was for just 4 years, in comparison to the previous deal which was 8 years (around $2 Billion or something) so it's possible that SONY bid was lower.

This is another thread from him. https://twitter.com/KShriniwasRao/status/1564226662656626689

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2022, 02:09:49 AM

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I don't know how accurate are these numbers. When the reserve price is $1.44 billion, how can SONY make a bid for $1.3 billion? Is this even allowed? As far as I know, the ICC hasn't made these figures public. So for now, it is pure speculation. My guess is that Sony's bid was a lot higher than $1.3 billion, and probably more than $2 billion. I would have preferred SONY, because their quality (both TV and online streaming) is much better than Disney-Star. Disney is a bit money minded and doesn't care much about the quality.

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Whatever happened in the last match of Asia cup but i would like to say both teams did their best and we got a winner, but other things ahead the next Match which is going to happen between the AFG and BAN is going to be excited as both teams are strong enough to tackle each other thats going to be interesting.

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Quote from: jaberwock on August 29, 2022, 02:49:30 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 28, 2022, 05:50:48 AM

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

There is no doubt India is the biggest market in cricket just because of this now they are taking good advantages as well so here no talking more about this is not positive because now it's time for having some stand for associate countries which are suffering badly specially countries which are having mostly native players they need more intention from ICC about their structure and other things which are important for them to stay in main stream and developed quality but sadly right now ICC or any big country are not interested in this matter which is surely a problem for them.

Countries like Zimbabwe and Kenya are improving something but still not able to do things which are more important due to domestic issues and these things are beyond from ICC here they have to check for themselves and bring better and fair system which could be acceptable for all.

As teams get more opportunity to play against different teams, they keep improving. This suits with all formats of cricket. No market can stand equal to India, to have the attention making schedule for the teams with India will be fair and doesn't disturb the revenue generation. In few years time only few countries will be playing test format cricket.

ICC doesn't encourage more countries, even though they're capable. When more countries get into cricket the control might move hands, and that too a big reason why they doesn't want to take cricket being played by the grown countries of the world.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on August 28, 2022, 05:50:48 AM

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

There is no doubt India is the biggest market in cricket just because of this now they are taking good advantages as well so here no talking more about this is not positive because now it's time for having some stand for associate countries which are suffering badly specially countries which are having mostly native players they need more intention from ICC about their structure and other things which are important for them to stay in main stream and developed quality but sadly right now ICC or any big country are not interested in this matter which is surely a problem for them.

Countries like Zimbabwe and Kenya are improving something but still not able to do things which are more important due to domestic issues and these things are beyond from ICC here they have to check for themselves and bring better and fair system which could be acceptable for all.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 24, 2022, 02:03:56 PM

Quote from: DanWalker on August 24, 2022, 02:25:13 AM

A lot of things that cricket needs doesn’t seem to be a priority for the ICC right now. It feels like money is the actual priority of ICC. As long as the money is flowing they don’t care about what happens to the game.

It's not just the ICC which functions in this manner. Other big organizations like FIFA, NFL, NBA etc also function in a similar manner. It all comes down to money at the end of the day.

@DanWalker, Agreed.

Haunebu, Yes, I understand and I agree that at the end of the day, it all boils down to money at the end of the day. But as far as I know, the other organizations actually care about their respective games. They understand that without the improvement of the game the money is not going to be there, so they are working to make the game better.

However, when it comes to the ICC, it seems as if they are not even caring about the game at all. Otherwise, they at least would have tried to increase the number of teams that play cricket regularly. There is nothing funny about holding a World Cup with only 10 teams because that would be a joke Cheesy

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Quote from: eaLiTy on August 28, 2022, 01:24:07 PM

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

Cricket is not a new game rather its as old as hills, still its not seen in any Olympics till date. The real reason is ICC along with big parties are not interested in taking cricket to Olympics. No matter how much you and me discuss here, its only about what ICC wants.

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Quote from: Ayers on August 07, 2022, 11:43:20 AM

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when i said that there are not too many teams playing cricket right now i meant not many teams playing cricket right now regularly, tell me when did you last see a cricket match between an associate team? let alone watch the whole match

if anyone is actually watching the whole match which is being played by two associate teams, i think they should get a life, i bet that the citizens of many associate countries don’t even know that they have a cricket team, lol

Will start for this year alone and which associate teams were playing and here you can check out the matches that took place this year alone including the results.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/live-cricket/mens-results

Watching all the matches is another aspect. I wont be watching all the matches even when the top teams are playing unless there is an interesting situation in the match or whenever i am placing a bet, i will be watching the matches. Fact is no one is having the time to watch all the sporting events as there is too much Cricket being played among the top nations and no one can follow all the matches.

Quote from: Ayers on August 07, 2022, 11:43:20 AM

there is a lot of shorter cricket being played right now, including the t-ten format, yes i know it’s still going to be a pretty time-consuming match, but it’s a lot better than having a five-day match with no results, i don’t think the Olympics committee should have any problems arranging t20 matches

T20 started gaining popularity after 2007 and till now we had 4 Olympics after that and you cannot count the 2008 Olympics considering T20 started gaining popularity after 2007. Next Olympics is in Paris and the realistic possibility of inclusion is the 2032 Olympics which is taking place in Brisbane and the host nation can suggest which games to include when they are hosting and Cricket will be a real possiblity.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2022, 09:54:46 PM

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

Cricket is mostly concentrated in India, 1.3 billion people crazy for cricket and thats the main reason why we see such a huge price for media rights of Indian markets. I dont think ICC will be able to generate that much revenue from other regions. Having said that ICC must do something to bring countries like Nepal, Ireland and Netherlands in test format.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 28, 2022, 02:09:49 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2022, 09:54:46 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.
ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.
Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.
Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

I still don't think that Disney overpaid. I think that money is put into the right hands. But obviously, if there was good enough transparency in the auction I don't think Disney actually would have bid that much money. But obviously, Disney is a very big company and they wouldn't probably even bother too much about paying this much money. And I would say that ICC went for the right deal to go for 4 years.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 27, 2022, 09:54:46 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

I feel bad for associate boards in advance.

Now picture is more clear and it looks like ICC has achieved its target by organizing a close bid. Just look at the difference between winning bid and 2nd best bid. The difference is close to $2 Billion.

Disney is rich but they won't be much happy after seeing the massive difference and fell into FOMO trap, time will tell if they overpaid or not. That's why one needs a transparent process at auction.

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Quote from: JSRAW on August 27, 2022, 11:36:01 AM

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

Their reserve price was $1.44 billion for 4-year cycle (2024-27) and $4 billion for the 8-year cycle (2024-31). ICC went with the 4-year deal, since it was more lucrative for them. Exact amount being paid by Disney-Star is not known, but the ICC guys were saying that it is close to $3 billion. So much more than what they were initially expecting. And more importantly, this is just for the Indian market. Media rights auction for US-UK markets will happen next, followed by rest of Asia. Just hope that some of that amount will trickle down to the associate boards.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Technology is finding his way to every sport, even in Football we are seeing the review system. Last time we saw Kohli complaining about DRS against SA in test series and that was a bit controversial. Other then that everyone seems to be ok with this DRS technology.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 27, 2022, 10:39:10 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

Agreed. I simply wanted to point out the fact that DRS isn't a perfect system just like similar systems in other sports despite its being very high as you mentioned.

Even too many objections and flaws in this DRS system but still this is the best for current cricket because we have no other suitable better option for this which replace this and give better results in difficult situations hopefully as technology is progressing we will have some better things in near future right now nothing is going to cover this all and ICC and their B-4 are also happy with this all, so it's going to be had safe future here in ODI and T20.

If someone is not happy with this then surely he needs to do invest big amount and try to have rooftop stadiums which can end this all, and we can watch games without any interruption which will be also good for all but not possible for all as it's going to be not reachable for all boards in the cricket world.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 27, 2022, 10:39:10 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Disney Star was revealed as the winner earlier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/disney-star-bags-icc-media-rights-for-indian-market-1331075%3fplatform=amp

Also, it seems that the ICC wants to go to the US and UK markets soon which is good news.

Heard that the top bid was closed to $3 billion and it's just for 4 years.

ICC must be feeling lovey dovey after the final numbers and I'm sure the ICC office will get some early fat checks too as a bonus.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

Agreed. I simply wanted to point out the fact that DRS isn't a perfect system just like similar systems in other sports despite its being very high as you mentioned.

Quote from: Sithara007 on August 26, 2022, 11:10:28 PM

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

Disney Star was revealed as the winner earlier.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espncricinfo.com/story/disney-star-bags-icc-media-rights-for-indian-market-1331075%3fplatform=amp

Also, it seems that the ICC wants to go to the US and UK markets soon which is good news.

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Quote from: Haunebu on August 26, 2022, 12:38:36 PM

Quote from: WatChe on August 25, 2022, 02:08:32 PM

The introduction of DRS is a great way to reduce pressure from umpires as now decisions can go upstairs and chances of error are zero in that case. DRS is not welcomed in start by BCCI but with time they have embraced that change.

Zero? No way. DRS decreased errors for sure, but it cannot resolve every single error just like similar systems in other sports.

IMO, DRS has more than 98% accuracy. And that is the maximum we can expect. When was the last time, we heard someone complaining about any of the DRS decisions? I know about only 2-3 cases, out of thousands of matches. So it is very rare.

BTW, the latest news from ICC is that they have already identified the winner of media rights auction. A total of 4 bidders took part in the process - Sony, Viacom, Disney Star and Zee. ICC has announced that the difference between the top bid and the second placed one is more than 10% and therefore no second round bidding will take place. The identity of the winner will be revealed by today (Saturday).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 25, 2022, 08:54:43 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on August 25, 2022, 08:26:30 AM

Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

My concern is that sometimes the momentum is lot when the third umpire spends 2-3 minutes to take the decision. For the viewers who are closely following the match, the flow will be lost. But also, excessive appealing from the part of the players is another issue. I agree that the umpires should be given more powers to deal with it. But in the end, none of us want inaccurate decisions from the umpires to be retained. Overall, the implementation of the DRS has worked wonders in international cricket.

My experience is that I have seen a certain thing happen multiple times, which is that the bowling team often takes a review that is not that close.
However, they take the reviews so that there is a break in play and they can break the concentration of the batsmen who are playing in the middle at the time when the review is being taken. Often we can observe the batting team losing wickets after a break because it causes a sudden lapse in concentration on the part of the batsman in the middle.

There is nothing wrong with this system at all and I am not saying that it is a bad one. I am only trying to say that players who are willing to exploit anything for their own advantage are obviously going to take any chance they can get in order to gain an advantage over their opponents.

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Quote from: romero121 on August 25, 2022, 06:59:07 PM

Humans make mistakes, usage of technology to overcome the mistakes is the third umpire. While watching on television we easily conclude it isn't a wicket. But, the third umpire cannot do the same as we do. He needs to look it upon various dimensions, because the same will term to be controversial. Some even change the result of the match.

Managing a game requires so many necessary things or equipment. Since the cricket field is large in size, other technologies with sufficient number of cameras have to be resorted. A third umpire also has to take care of various things. In this case, there may be some time lag but it is in the interest of accuracy which is tolerable for cricket.

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