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Quote from: JSRAW on October 27, 2022, 10:34:44 PM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 27, 2022, 09:44:13 PM

Why should the venue be shifted from Pakistan? I don't think that it is right. Today it is Pakistan. Tomorrow the demands will increase. BCCI will refuse to play anywhere other than India. Then what the other countries would do? And it is very clear that BCCI's refusal to tour Pakistan has nothing to do with any security issue. If that was the case, then teams such as Australia, England and New Zealand would also refuse to tour Pakistan. Their refusal is purely due to political reasons, as Jay Shah wants to divert attention from some of his own shortcomings.

Now that's a weird take considering the bloody history of Indo-Pak.

It's not Jay Shah cause it's above his pay grade. It all comes down to Gov to Gov and diplomatic relations and with due all respect, we shouldn't be ignorant about the series of events. Also, everything in Indo-Pak cricket is about politics and it's not a new trend, happening since 50s-60s quite regularly. It would be ignorance if we think otherwise.

Until the relationship between the two doesn't turn to be good, we can't expect things to change. As stated the Indo-Pak cricket is much connected with politics than a game. The people of both the countries have good friendship living in different nations, but when it comes to a match they'll have their ignorance.

The ruling party of India is much against Pakistan and they have an agenda to segregate the nation in terms of religion. In such situation Aisa cup in Pakistan could create political pressure.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 27, 2022, 02:24:05 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 08:33:17 AM

Ha!
So one of the prominent solutions is to hand out financial penalties to the only person who happens to be the sole bread winner in the house, that sound like an excellent idea to me.
Everything will be good after that, i am sure. Lips sealed

It is my opinion that you cannot get rid of the BCCI because that is the board that brings you the most amount of revenue. At the same time, you cannot do anything that the BCCI tells you to do. That would be disrespectful to the other teams and cricket boards. The main problem is that the ICC could not impose authority over all the cricket boards thoroughly and equally. And this wouldn't have been a problem if at least 100 teams played cricket regularly.

But whatever happens, I do not think that the venue of the Asia Cup should be changed from Pakistan to UAE. That would be just wrong towards Pakistan which is doing their best to improve the cricketing situation of their country. ICC will have to think about a solution keeping this in mind.

Yeah, i agree that's wrong but IMO everyone should be practical and take some hard decisions and if no one is willing to take some tough call then they should stop cribbing about (Talking about cricket boards).

I've said many times that no board can arm twist other boards if they stand up but it is also true that you have to be self-sufficient and at this moment not a single ACC member is capable of doing so. It's no rocket science that BCCI has a ton of leverage over other boards and it's always going to play into their hands.

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 27, 2022, 09:44:13 PM

Why should the venue be shifted from Pakistan? I don't think that it is right. Today it is Pakistan. Tomorrow the demands will increase. BCCI will refuse to play anywhere other than India. Then what the other countries would do? And it is very clear that BCCI's refusal to tour Pakistan has nothing to do with any security issue. If that was the case, then teams such as Australia, England and New Zealand would also refuse to tour Pakistan. Their refusal is purely due to political reasons, as Jay Shah wants to divert attention from some of his own shortcomings.

Now that's a weird take considering the bloody history of Indo-Pak.

It's not Jay Shah cause it's above his pay grade. It all comes down to Gov to Gov and diplomatic relations and with due all respect, we shouldn't be ignorant about the series of events. Also, everything in Indo-Pak cricket is about politics and it's not a new trend, happening since 50s-60s quite regularly. It would be ignorance if we think otherwise.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 27, 2022, 02:24:05 PM

It is my opinion that you cannot get rid of the BCCI because that is the board that brings you the most amount of revenue. At the same time, you cannot do anything that the BCCI tells you to do. That would be disrespectful to the other teams and cricket boards. The main problem is that the ICC could not impose authority over all the cricket boards thoroughly and equally. And this wouldn't have been a problem if at least 100 teams played cricket regularly.

But whatever happens, I do not think that the venue of the Asia Cup should be changed from Pakistan to UAE. That would be just wrong towards Pakistan which is doing their best to improve the cricketing situation of their country. ICC will have to think about a solution keeping this in mind.

Why should the venue be shifted from Pakistan? I don't think that it is right. Today it is Pakistan. Tomorrow the demands will increase. BCCI will refuse to play anywhere other than India. Then what the other countries would do? And it is very clear that BCCI's refusal to tour Pakistan has nothing to do with any security issue. If that was the case, then teams such as Australia, England and New Zealand would also refuse to tour Pakistan. Their refusal is purely due to political reasons, as Jay Shah wants to divert attention from some of his own shortcomings.

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Here @noormcs5 you are completely wrong that PCB can't survive without BCCI I feel they can do better without BCCI because now every board is having their own sources, and they are improving their base as well which is positive development for them recently with the visit of Australia and England things could be going in right direction even BCCi still doing negativity in case of Asia Cup but here my point of view is if these both can't go together then surely they need to have vote in this Association and then cut the ties from one board this could be better for all because just because of these many other boards are also facing trouble and development of this game is also not going as they need to go for better future of this game in this region.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 27, 2022, 02:24:05 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 08:33:17 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

Ha!
So one of the prominent solutions is to hand out financial penalties to the only person who happens to be the sole bread winner in the house, that sound like an excellent idea to me.
Everything will be good after that, i am sure. Lips sealed

It is my opinion that you cannot get rid of the BCCI because that is the board that brings you the most amount of revenue. At the same time, you cannot do anything that the BCCI tells you to do. That would be disrespectful to the other teams and cricket boards. The main problem is that the ICC could not impose authority over all the cricket boards thoroughly and equally. And this wouldn't have been a problem if at least 100 teams played cricket regularly.

But whatever happens, I do not think that the venue of the Asia Cup should be changed from Pakistan to UAE. That would be just wrong towards Pakistan which is doing their best to improve the cricketing situation of their country. ICC will have to think about a solution keeping this in mind.

That's true that BCCI can run without Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) but it is PCB that cannot survive without the BCCI. So when you are in such a position, you will have to either agree with what the more powerful body suggests or be ready to face consequences for not obeying them and be ready to deprive of the funds.

Quote from: JSRAW on October 25, 2022, 11:30:31 AM

BCCI would simply argue that we don't take a single penny from Asia cup's revenue but subsidize the ACC.

Big boards like BCCI won't be much affected if they don't get any money from the Asia cup. But do we think that when India will not be playing in the Asia cup, shall we get the same level of advertising? The demand for such a tournament will decrease a lot if there is no India in the tournament.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 08:33:17 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

Ha!
So one of the prominent solutions is to hand out financial penalties to the only person who happens to be the sole bread winner in the house, that sound like an excellent idea to me.
Everything will be good after that, i am sure. Lips sealed

It is my opinion that you cannot get rid of the BCCI because that is the board that brings you the most amount of revenue. At the same time, you cannot do anything that the BCCI tells you to do. That would be disrespectful to the other teams and cricket boards. The main problem is that the ICC could not impose authority over all the cricket boards thoroughly and equally. And this wouldn't have been a problem if at least 100 teams played cricket regularly.

But whatever happens, I do not think that the venue of the Asia Cup should be changed from Pakistan to UAE. That would be just wrong towards Pakistan which is doing their best to improve the cricketing situation of their country. ICC will have to think about a solution keeping this in mind.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

Most chances anything like this is not possible because ACC is currently controlled by BCCI like they are controlling ICC, and they have good support from countries like Afghanistan and Bangladesh which never been going into favor of Pakistan just because of personal issues, but the worst thing is we never have any positive solution for this these both are going to bite each other and can't live happily as we have at the end of Hindi movies.

But one thing is sure ACC will be never ideal sports organization as they are having two big which are the worst enemies for last 75 years and never want to sit on table for positive talk as we have ideal situation in Africa and CONMEBOL which are also developing like subcontinent but still doing amazing job for the sports.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

No decision should be taken excluding anyone. Here it is true that BCCI is a strong cricket board but doesn't matter how big the financial condition. Here they have to follow the rules otherwise acceptance or credibility in cricket will decrease. When an organization gets too much power, that organization can treat wrongly. And when it is the most powerful, there is nothing to do but accept it. Maybe BCCI is hoping just like they are all in all.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 08:12:23 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

Ha!

So one of the prominent solutions is to hand out financial penalties to the only person who happens to be the sole bread winner in the house, that sound like an excellent idea to me.

Everything will be good after that, i am sure. Lips sealed

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 26, 2022, 07:37:34 AM

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

Kicking out BCCI is not the solution, because India contributes to almost the entire revenue for ACC during Asia Cup and other competitions. Imposing financial penalties maybe an option. But even here, there is no guarantee that the BCCI will follow the majority decision. I don't know how much Jay Shah care about the position as ACC president. His ultimate target maybe the chairman post of ICC. In order to reach there, he needs to have warm relationship with all the ACC/ICC members, including Pakistan.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 26, 2022, 05:14:55 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 25, 2022, 11:30:31 AM

Best of luck to ACC if they see any kind of success in this adventure, in fact, it'll blow back in their face even if Jay shah is the president or not.

BCCI would simply argue that we don't take a single penny from Asia cup's revenue but subsidize the ACC.

BCCI is very poor in PR, and I am not sure how all this will end up. None of the "real" associate nations have a favorable opinion about the BCCI. Pakistan on the other hand, is held in high regard by many of the associate nations, including South Asian nations of Nepal and Maldives. Recently the PCB started Pakistan Junior League, in which one slot was reserved for the associate players. On the other hand the IPL is quite famous for filtering out players from associate nations. If the BCCI create unnecessary issues with Asia Cup, and thereby destroy the ACC funds, then I don't think that it will help with BCCI's reputation among the associates.

BCCI might be bad in PR or not, that's another discussion because when it comes to court cases in regard to any compensation claim. BCCI is ruthless as there you need facts, not PR and they focus on the latter.

BCCI only issue is with visiting Pakistan if this angle creates problems for ACC then I won't mind if all ACC members get together and kick out BCCI.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 25, 2022, 11:30:31 AM

Best of luck to ACC if they see any kind of success in this adventure, in fact, it'll blow back in their face even if Jay shah is the president or not.

BCCI would simply argue that we don't take a single penny from Asia cup's revenue but subsidize the ACC.

BCCI is very poor in PR, and I am not sure how all this will end up. None of the "real" associate nations have a favorable opinion about the BCCI. Pakistan on the other hand, is held in high regard by many of the associate nations, including South Asian nations of Nepal and Maldives. Recently the PCB started Pakistan Junior League, in which one slot was reserved for the associate players. On the other hand the IPL is quite famous for filtering out players from associate nations. If the BCCI create unnecessary issues with Asia Cup, and thereby destroy the ACC funds, then I don't think that it will help with BCCI's reputation among the associates.

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Quote from: wiss19 on October 25, 2022, 12:14:03 PM

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Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.

Right now it's all too early what will happen and how things could be solved because right now T20 World Cup is playing in Australia and after this we have no main event for around four to five months hopefully things could be clear or as right now situation is going into Pakistan we can expect change of venue can happen because few hours back I read former Prime Minister announces his long waited long march for new elections, so we have to wait and watch all things because I am personally feeling most chances this could be switched like we have from India to the UAE just because of Corona situation.

As we all know Pakistan is unpredictable in game of cricket and their women's team is also following them and current country's situation is also not good so let's wait for all developments and then ACC meeting is also coming which could be announced all about this which could be favorable to all countries hopefully this will be good for the game.

I don't think it is going to matter who Jay shah is. The suggestion of making changes in the venue can cause a lot of problems in the cricketing world. But at the same time, I hope that Pakistan does not face any problems, any internal problems because that can escalate the proposal of changing venues quickly. Something is going to happen after the end of the t20 world cup.

I don't know if changing the venue for the Asia cup is going to be any better for the future of cricket. But I am certain that it is not going to be good for the future of Pakistan cricket. And if the venue of the Asia cup is successfully changed to a neutral venue I think a lot of other teams are also going to deny going to Pakistan in the future as well.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on October 25, 2022, 02:31:29 PM

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Right now it's all too early what will happen and how things could be solved because right now T20 World Cup is playing in Australia and after this we have no main event for around four to five months hopefully things could be clear or as right now situation is going into Pakistan we can expect change of venue can happen because few hours back I read former Prime Minister announces his long waited long march for new elections, so we have to wait and watch all things because I am personally feeling most chances this could be switched like we have from India to the UAE just because of Corona situation.

If the political situation is clear and they are able to provide security for the tournament there is no need to change the venue, if India is not willing to play the tournament citing security issues, they need to penalize them for the damages Grin

. India is travelling to Pakistan for Hockey and other sporting events as far as i understand and only Cricket is having restrictions.

If hockey or other sports for that matter was a multi-billion dollar market in India then one could expect more or less a similar approach.

That's why both countries do visit each other sometimes for other sports but recently Pak Chess team pulled out from the Chess Olympiad after landing in Chennai (they were in a hotel at that time), the reason was India's torch relay passing through Kashmir.

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Quote from: wiss19 on October 25, 2022, 12:14:03 PM

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Right now it's all too early what will happen and how things could be solved because right now T20 World Cup is playing in Australia and after this we have no main event for around four to five months hopefully things could be clear or as right now situation is going into Pakistan we can expect change of venue can happen because few hours back I read former Prime Minister announces his long waited long march for new elections, so we have to wait and watch all things because I am personally feeling most chances this could be switched like we have from India to the UAE just because of Corona situation.

If the political situation is clear and they are able to provide security for the tournament there is no need to change the venue, if India is not willing to play the tournament citing security issues, they need to penalize them for the damages Grin

. India is travelling to Pakistan for Hockey and other sporting events as far as i understand and only Cricket is having restrictions.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2022, 11:49:51 PM

Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.

Right now it's all too early what will happen and how things could be solved because right now T20 World Cup is playing in Australia and after this we have no main event for around four to five months hopefully things could be clear or as right now situation is going into Pakistan we can expect change of venue can happen because few hours back I read former Prime Minister announces his long waited long march for new elections, so we have to wait and watch all things because I am personally feeling most chances this could be switched like we have from India to the UAE just because of Corona situation.

As we all know Pakistan is unpredictable in game of cricket and their women's team is also following them and current country's situation is also not good so let's wait for all developments and then ACC meeting is also coming which could be announced all about this which could be favorable to all countries hopefully this will be good for the game.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2022, 11:49:51 PM

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@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.

Best of luck to ACC if they see any kind of success in this adventure, in fact, it'll blow back in their face even if Jay shah is the president or not.

BCCI would simply argue that we don't take a single penny from Asia cup's revenue but subsidize the ACC.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on October 24, 2022, 11:45:14 PM

@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

Asian Cricket Council (ACC) will decide on the compensation amount, in case India refuses to travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. But the catch here is that Jay Shah is the president of the Asian Cricket Council. So can PCB expect a fair deal from the ACC? Personally, I believe that if India boycotts the tournament, it will be detrimental for both the sides. ACC also will lose a large part of their revenue. The main attraction in Asia Cup is the match between India and Pakistan. If the match is not there, then TV broadcasters won't be happy. And as the ACC president, I am sure that Jay Shah understands this.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 24, 2022, 10:01:57 PM

Quote from: KennyR on October 23, 2022, 03:46:53 PM

Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.

In the end, it comes to security. If countries such as England and Australia are ready to visit Pakistan, then India can't give any excuse other than the lack of permission to do so from the central government. PCB will be in a dilemma. If India doesn't visit Pakistan, then the TV revenues and sponsorship will go down. PCB needs the support from smaller boards and then they should approach the ICC. If BCCI refuses to visit Pakistan, then the latter should claim reimbursement of the losses from the Indians.

@Sithara007 I believe that Pakistan has passed the security tests, and if I’m correct even an Indian delegation is allowed to travel ahead and check the security arrangements, and thus I feel that security is no longer an excuse that BCCI can use. Furthermore I feel that BCCI will happily pay the compensation but they won’t pay the full amount asked, because I’m expecting them to negotiate and lower the compensation amount.

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Quote from: KennyR on October 23, 2022, 03:46:53 PM

Pakistan cricket board along with the government will give the best security. Whenever there is a schedule between India and Pakistan, the same will be promoted in all possible means. Look at today's match, the ground is full. The host nation is Australia and for its match we can't expect the same crowd. For the betterment of Pakistan cricket, they are in need of hosting Asia Cup. The discussion will not come to an end, and Pakistan won't be hosting the league.

In the end, it comes to security. If countries such as England and Australia are ready to visit Pakistan, then India can't give any excuse other than the lack of permission to do so from the central government. PCB will be in a dilemma. If India doesn't visit Pakistan, then the TV revenues and sponsorship will go down. PCB needs the support from smaller boards and then they should approach the ICC. If BCCI refuses to visit Pakistan, then the latter should claim reimbursement of the losses from the Indians.

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