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Quote from: BobK71 on October 21, 2022, 02:13:32 AM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 21, 2022, 12:54:03 AM

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 04:43:55 AM

~snip~
Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

I won't use the word Pakistan here but PCB (because when it comes to Pakistan then state sponsor terrorism comes to my mind tbh, they are in FATF grey list for a reason after all).
IMO PCB has every right to oppose the BCCI proposal be it organizing the Asia cup at their home without the Indian team or boycotting the next 50overs WC but at the same time they should be ready for backfire in the future when they are not getting their share of the revenue from the ICC, every time they are boycotting the ICC tournament in India
And i would like to add that it should be the same for BCCI.

Frankly, I am willing to defend Pakistan here. You cannot call a country "sponsor of terrorism" just because some dumb people bombs themselves in the name of religion. You also cannot call a country terrorist just because some other country listed them as terrorists when that certain country was the one to teach terrorism in the first place. Anyway, I will not pay attention to any political stuff anymore.

I think the Pakistan cricket board has the absolute right to host the Asia Cup in their own country. For a long time, international cricket was not played in Pakistan let alone any tournament until recently. This is the start of something good and I really do not think that the BCCI has any right to damage that or stop that from happening.

Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 20, 2022, 03:52:51 PM

In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

ICC can't do anything in this case, just they can stop funding or again this crap Pig-3 like drama can happen because most of the time these have power to blackmail small boards in these cases with their power and resources. Right now, BCCI is under pressure due to inner policies so most chances we will have no favourable decisions for Pakistan, but things could be changed in the future, and they could be down on earth with this all.

I have always said that the problem is that the people in power are really narrow-minded and quite racist, to be honest. They don't want the conflict to end. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any problems like this. They just want to watch the other suffer.

Most people lose their common sense when they get into power. Under the influence of power, they start behaving differently towards the weaker. But they forget that power is not permanent. There will come at a stage when that ability will no longer exist.

For the good approach of cricket, Pakistan should be given the opportunity to hold the Asia Cup without taking any negativity. It would be better if Asian countries support it instead of opposing it. They have already announced that they will not participate in the World Cup if the next Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan. And it is also a threat to cricket. Many may say that nothing matters if they participate or not. In that case, there is a word that nothing happens without a single country. But there will be some temporary effect and it will be fixed later. But cricket will lose its respect.

I feel that this is a very delicate situation for both the team’s and ICC, and instead of giving statements in media they should all sit down in a room and discuss what’s the best way to defuse this situation. Furthermore I feel that if ICC fail’s to resolve this then that’s why the point of having them, but i do understand that it won’t be easy for ICC and lastly I’m sure that we’ll be seeing more drama from both the team’s over these issue’s.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 02:18:04 PM

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Frankly, I am willing to defend Pakistan here. You cannot call a country "sponsor of terrorism" just because some dumb people bombs themselves in the name of religion. You also cannot call a country terrorist just because some other country listed them as terrorists when that certain country was the one to teach terrorism in the first place. Anyway, I will not pay attention to any political stuff anymore.

I think the Pakistan cricket board has the absolute right to host the Asia Cup in their own country. For a long time, international cricket was not played in Pakistan let alone any tournament until recently. This is the start of something good and I really do not think that the BCCI has any right to damage that or stop that from happening.

Well, you are entitled to defend anything you want and there is nothing wrong IMO, so no argument there whatsoever.

We've already established that PCB has every right to host the Asia cup at home but at the same BCCI has every right not to visit them. No board should take orders from another board, If PCB don't like a neutral venue then they should go ahead and organize the tournament without India, no one can stop them. BCCI did the same thing in 1990-91 edition and after that, they just stopped hosting Asia Cup.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 21, 2022, 12:54:03 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 02:18:04 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 20, 2022, 02:08:33 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 04:43:55 AM

~snip~
Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

I won't use the word Pakistan here but PCB (because when it comes to Pakistan then state sponsor terrorism comes to my mind tbh, they are in FATF grey list for a reason after all).
IMO PCB has every right to oppose the BCCI proposal be it organizing the Asia cup at their home without the Indian team or boycotting the next 50overs WC but at the same time they should be ready for backfire in the future when they are not getting their share of the revenue from the ICC, every time they are boycotting the ICC tournament in India
And i would like to add that it should be the same for BCCI.

Frankly, I am willing to defend Pakistan here. You cannot call a country "sponsor of terrorism" just because some dumb people bombs themselves in the name of religion. You also cannot call a country terrorist just because some other country listed them as terrorists when that certain country was the one to teach terrorism in the first place. Anyway, I will not pay attention to any political stuff anymore.

I think the Pakistan cricket board has the absolute right to host the Asia Cup in their own country. For a long time, international cricket was not played in Pakistan let alone any tournament until recently. This is the start of something good and I really do not think that the BCCI has any right to damage that or stop that from happening.

Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 20, 2022, 03:52:51 PM

In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

ICC can't do anything in this case, just they can stop funding or again this crap Pig-3 like drama can happen because most of the time these have power to blackmail small boards in these cases with their power and resources. Right now, BCCI is under pressure due to inner policies so most chances we will have no favourable decisions for Pakistan, but things could be changed in the future, and they could be down on earth with this all.

I have always said that the problem is that the people in power are really narrow-minded and quite racist, to be honest. They don't want the conflict to end. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any problems like this. They just want to watch the other suffer.

Most people lose their common sense when they get into power. Under the influence of power, they start behaving differently towards the weaker. But they forget that power is not permanent. There will come at a stage when that ability will no longer exist.

For the good approach of cricket, Pakistan should be given the opportunity to hold the Asia Cup without taking any negativity. It would be better if Asian countries support it instead of opposing it. They have already announced that they will not participate in the World Cup if the next Asia Cup is not held in Pakistan. And it is also a threat to cricket. Many may say that nothing matters if they participate or not. In that case, there is a word that nothing happens without a single country. But there will be some temporary effect and it will be fixed later. But cricket will lose its respect.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 02:18:04 PM

Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 20, 2022, 02:08:33 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 04:43:55 AM

~snip~
Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

I won't use the word Pakistan here but PCB (because when it comes to Pakistan then state sponsor terrorism comes to my mind tbh, they are in FATF grey list for a reason after all).
IMO PCB has every right to oppose the BCCI proposal be it organizing the Asia cup at their home without the Indian team or boycotting the next 50overs WC but at the same time they should be ready for backfire in the future when they are not getting their share of the revenue from the ICC, every time they are boycotting the ICC tournament in India
And i would like to add that it should be the same for BCCI.

Frankly, I am willing to defend Pakistan here. You cannot call a country "sponsor of terrorism" just because some dumb people bombs themselves in the name of religion. You also cannot call a country terrorist just because some other country listed them as terrorists when that certain country was the one to teach terrorism in the first place. Anyway, I will not pay attention to any political stuff anymore.

I think the Pakistan cricket board has the absolute right to host the Asia Cup in their own country. For a long time, international cricket was not played in Pakistan let alone any tournament until recently. This is the start of something good and I really do not think that the BCCI has any right to damage that or stop that from happening.

Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 20, 2022, 03:52:51 PM

In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

ICC can't do anything in this case, just they can stop funding or again this crap Pig-3 like drama can happen because most of the time these have power to blackmail small boards in these cases with their power and resources. Right now, BCCI is under pressure due to inner policies so most chances we will have no favourable decisions for Pakistan, but things could be changed in the future, and they could be down on earth with this all.

I have always said that the problem is that the people in power are really narrow-minded and quite racist, to be honest. They don't want the conflict to end. Otherwise, there wouldn't be any problems like this. They just want to watch the other suffer.

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Quote from: fullhdpixel on October 20, 2022, 03:52:51 PM

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In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

Not sure about a conflict, BCCI rejecting the offer to play the Asian cup in Pakistan due to security issues and other teams started visiting them recently after a lengthy halt and the break was mainly due to security reasons and when India tours Pakistan may be the stakes are higher considering what happened to Sri Lanka.

As for me these conflicts are political and whenever India and Pakistan tend to amend their issues in the past there would be a terrorist attack and it was a recurring theme for more than 30 years and if PCB thinks that it is not safe for them to play the next ODI World Cup they can make the decision on not sending the team, it is fair for them to think on that aspect as well.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 20, 2022, 02:08:33 PM

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

In last 75 years these countries never learn from their mistakes and still going on the way of conflict which is surely going to hurt both countries even right now many are feeling India is big and have right to do things like this but surely in long term they can also face consequences of these in long run I don't want to go in other topics like terrorist and politics but still they need to do some soft policies for the better future because if they will go like this then surely things could be worst for all.

ICC can't do anything in this case, just they can stop funding or again this crap Pig-3 like drama can happen because most of the time these have power to blackmail small boards in these cases with their power and resources. Right now, BCCI is under pressure due to inner policies so most chances we will have no favourable decisions for Pakistan, but things could be changed in the future, and they could be down on earth with this all.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on October 20, 2022, 02:08:33 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on October 20, 2022, 04:43:55 AM

~snip~
Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

I won't use the word Pakistan here but PCB (because when it comes to Pakistan then state sponsor terrorism comes to my mind tbh, they are in FATF grey list for a reason after all).

IMO PCB has every right to oppose the BCCI proposal be it organizing the Asia cup at their home without the Indian team or boycotting the next 50overs WC but at the same time they should be ready for backfire in the future when they are not getting their share of the revenue from the ICC, every time they are boycotting the ICC tournament in India

And i would like to add that it should be the same for BCCI.

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Poor BCCI bend the knee and recently paid around $120-ish million of tax to Gov. So yeah ODI World Cup is not going anywhere unless ICC gets drunk and wants to kill the golden goose, this will be self-destructive for ICC.
Also, BCCI hardly takes any profit from Asia Cup. In fact, they put all the profit into ACC's piggy bank which is shared by other boards.

There was no Asia Cup from 2019 to 2021 and the Asian Cricket Council went in to red because of that. Most of the revenues from the 2022 tournament was used to clear the outstanding debt. Now the BCCI is threatening to pull out of the tournament in 2023. And this will once again push the ACC towards bankruptcy. And let's not forget the fact that a sizable chunk of the money ends up with associate nations such as Malaysia and Nepal. In case the tournament gets cancelled, the associate nations will be disproportionately impacted.

Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.
Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

It has also been reported that Pakistan has been very angry about the suggestion India made that the next Asia Cup should not be held in Pakistan. Instead, it should be held in a neutral venue. You can understand why Pakistan is very angry. In addition, I have heard that Pakistan has threatened that if the Asia Cup venue is shifted from Pakistan to a neutral venue, then they will not be participating in the World Cup 2023. As far as I am concerned, there is no reason why the Asia Cup should be held in a different venue. I am sure that there is going to be very good security provided to the players and all the members of the cricket boards if it comes to a security issue.

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Quote from: Ayers on October 19, 2022, 09:12:51 PM

The thing is that ICC has become money-hungry. In fact, the whole cricketing world has become addicted to money flow. And I just hope that the Big 3 doesn't get revived because if that happens, the future of cricket will be compromised. Cricket is already in a tough spot right now. I think that the associate nations are not getting enough attention from ICC and that is not a very optimistic sign for the expansion of cricket. However, I'm also fearful that, if the big 3 countries try to gain the advantages they had before, they will somehow get back together and resurrect the association again- this is what I'm most worried about now.

Even this all is useless, and I am not in favor of hinting things for what changes we need and how things could be positive but surely want to add one thing now it's time for change in this all system of ICC like they need to have 10 to 12 full members which allow them one full vote, and they have around 100 more members so allow them for having their half vote and do things with mutual understanding and if they have any big issue then surely they need to do this will be voting system which will be good and acceptable for all.

If anyone has issue with this all then surely he needs to give proper reason otherwise this is surely a good system which will help for development of this game, and we will be able to have big market and many more countries and players into the system.

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Poor BCCI bend the knee and recently paid around $120-ish million of tax to Gov. So yeah ODI World Cup is not going anywhere unless ICC gets drunk and wants to kill the golden goose, this will be self-destructive for ICC.

Also, BCCI hardly takes any profit from Asia Cup. In fact, they put all the profit into ACC's piggy bank which is shared by other boards.

There was no Asia Cup from 2019 to 2021 and the Asian Cricket Council went in to red because of that. Most of the revenues from the 2022 tournament was used to clear the outstanding debt. Now the BCCI is threatening to pull out of the tournament in 2023. And this will once again push the ACC towards bankruptcy. And let's not forget the fact that a sizable chunk of the money ends up with associate nations such as Malaysia and Nepal. In case the tournament gets cancelled, the associate nations will be disproportionately impacted.

Small correction, not threatening to pull out but unilaterally decided to pass "Neutral venue" as a possible solution.

Do Malaysia and Nepal get anything from it? I'm not aware of that, talking about Men's Asia cup revenue model. I know BCCI doesn't get a single penny from ACC.

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Quote from: smartaction on October 20, 2022, 01:07:30 AM

No matter how you think of one, you'll feel that since their country is a very populous country, it's only natural that they'll have huge crowds at their games. Because cricket is a very popular game among them and most of the people in India love the game of cricket and they prefer to enjoy the game of cricket face to face. So you will notice that when India plays, the gallery is full of Indian spectators while there are hardly any spectators from other countries.

I would like to say that if a game is popular of any particular country normally that the spectators will be increase. Also, due to higher population there will be more viewers. Many countries in the world have a relatively large population but do not have the same number of visitors. One of the reasons for this is, that cricket is not a popular sport. So I want to give more importance to the popularity than the population.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 19, 2022, 11:57:33 PM

Poor BCCI bend the knee and recently paid around $120-ish million of tax to Gov. So yeah ODI World Cup is not going anywhere unless ICC gets drunk and wants to kill the golden goose, this will be self-destructive for ICC.

Also, BCCI hardly takes any profit from Asia Cup. In fact, they put all the profit into ACC's piggy bank which is shared by other boards.

There was no Asia Cup from 2019 to 2021 and the Asian Cricket Council went in to red because of that. Most of the revenues from the 2022 tournament was used to clear the outstanding debt. Now the BCCI is threatening to pull out of the tournament in 2023. And this will once again push the ACC towards bankruptcy. And let's not forget the fact that a sizable chunk of the money ends up with associate nations such as Malaysia and Nepal. In case the tournament gets cancelled, the associate nations will be disproportionately impacted.

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I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

Instead of the pig-3, we may witness the rise of pig-1. I don't know whether the BCCI need CA or ECB anymore. But a lot will depend on how the BCCI will do their bargaining for the fund allocation next year, for the 2024-31 cycle. As a result of the inflated media rights auction, the available funds for next cycle is almost 2.5 times higher than what we had last time. The BCCI receives around $50 million per year from the ICC as of now and it may go up by anywhere from $100 million to $200 million.

The situation could have been much simpler if other Full cricketing nations start contributing to ICC revenue.

BCCI does have a very solid case this time. During the ICC auction, I tuned in to some cricketing podcasts and I got to know that Broadcasters paid 97-99% money just to capture the Indian market. That's a very shocking number to me.

If China is in high position(cricket), the same could've happened with China. These countries on the top of the population makes it a big market for every business. Anything successful in these countries will generate big revenue. This is the prime reason why companies and sponsors spend big on leagues conducted on these countries.

It will be easier to conduct any business in the country where have the large number of population. India easily get the commercial success in cricket due to this reason. When there is a game in India, the entire gallery is fulled with viewers. They also have no shortage of sponsorships. As a result they demand more. There is no doubt that if China also loved cricket then their position would have been the same.

India is a huge populous country and there are many cricket lovers who are very excited to watch their country play so when India plays most of the Indians go to the stadium to enjoy the game which is why when India plays there is a gallery full of spectators to enjoy their game. For and the gallery filled crowd instilled a kind of confidence in India which allowed them to play very well and win most of the matches.

Not only the population is the main fact. Because the population in a country may be much higher, there may be different games. I think which game will have more popularity the spectators normally will more than others. Cricket is a popular sport in Indian subcontinent, so there is no shortage of viewers in the cricket. When population and popularity will be similar, then we expect the maximum.

No matter how you think of one, you'll feel that since their country is a very populous country, it's only natural that they'll have huge crowds at their games. Because cricket is a very popular game among them and most of the people in India love the game of cricket and they prefer to enjoy the game of cricket face to face. So you will notice that when India plays, the gallery is full of Indian spectators while there are hardly any spectators from other countries.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 19, 2022, 08:24:10 PM

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Finally the World Cup venue gets changed. This is gonna happen, BCCI will stand on their decision. India being a big market for cricket is a well known truth. They're one among the powerful boards who have the ability to change the decisions of ICC. We've got more time the next Asian Cup, out of some treatie the issue will come to conclusion.

Nope. World Cup venues won't get changed. The 2023 ODI World Cup will be played in India and the latest tactics from Jay Shah are due to two main reasons. First one is that he is under a lot of criticism for the treatment meted out to Sourav Ganguly. And secondly, the ICC has demanded that the BCCI should reimburse them for the tax bill which may amount to anywhere from $100 million to $200 million for the world cup. The comments made by Jay Shah is a poor attempt to take the focus away from these two issues, although I don't know how effective they will be.

Poor BCCI bend the knee and recently paid around $120-ish million of tax to Gov. So yeah ODI World Cup is not going anywhere unless ICC gets drunk and wants to kill the golden goose, this will be self-destructive for ICC.

Also, BCCI hardly takes any profit from Asia Cup. In fact, they put all the profit into ACC's piggy bank which is shared by other boards.

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I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.
Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

As of now, ICC is surely one of the biggest joke around the sports world because of their poor management and weak policies which are creating problems for them and no one going to solve this even for the personal interest they are creating more problems here now time for having a big discussion are they serious for this game's development, or they are just going to for their own interests which are surely going to be the dark future of this game BCCI's greediness is going on their high for more stake from media rights even they are the biggest market in the world now it's time for having big heart and allow things could be fair and for the better development of this game they need to scarify few points which will surely increase funds for associate countries which will bring better results.
Here are now all boards surely need to sit and talk about this all as it's right time and for me if India is going to be fit in these policies then surely we can expect big issues in this sports organization and this game could be bigger loser in this all issue.

The thing is that ICC has become money-hungry. In fact, the whole cricketing world has become addicted to money flow. And I just hope that the Big 3 doesn't get revived because if that happens, the future of cricket will be compromised. Cricket is already in a tough spot right now. I think that the associate nations are not getting enough attention from ICC and that is not a very optimistic sign for the expansion of cricket. However, I'm also fearful that, if the big 3 countries try to gain the advantages they had before, they will somehow get back together and resurrect the association again- this is what I'm most worried about now.

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Quote from: KennyR on October 19, 2022, 12:44:31 PM

Finally the World Cup venue gets changed. This is gonna happen, BCCI will stand on their decision. India being a big market for cricket is a well known truth. They're one among the powerful boards who have the ability to change the decisions of ICC. We've got more time the next Asian Cup, out of some treatie the issue will come to conclusion.

Nope. World Cup venues won't get changed. The 2023 ODI World Cup will be played in India and the latest tactics from Jay Shah are due to two main reasons. First one is that he is under a lot of criticism for the treatment meted out to Sourav Ganguly. And secondly, the ICC has demanded that the BCCI should reimburse them for the tax bill which may amount to anywhere from $100 million to $200 million for the world cup. The comments made by Jay Shah is a poor attempt to take the focus away from these two issues, although I don't know how effective they will be.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 19, 2022, 09:13:32 AM

I would prefer if both boards keep boycotting each other instead of creating nonsensical drama.

I don't think that this is an acceptable solution. Already we are down to a handful of countries in world cricket. And among these few countries, we can't afford to have boycotting and other types of drama. I can understand if India refuses to visit Pakistan for bilateral tours. But there is absolutely no justification for boycotting multi-nation tournaments. If they do that, then it will significantly weaken the Asian Cricket Council (ACC), because most of the revenues earned from the Asia Cup goes to the ACC.

Finally the World Cup venue gets changed. This is gonna happen, BCCI will stand on their decision. India being a big market for cricket is a well known truth. They're one among the powerful boards who have the ability to change the decisions of ICC. We've got more time the next Asian Cup, out of some treatie the issue will come to conclusion.

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I really don't feel that the Big 3 project is going to be revived if the Big 3 does not have unity among themselves. And I also believe that not having the Big 3 model at all is going to be beneficial for cricket in the long run. The problem is even though we are thinking that the Big 3 is not coordinated they might still come together just to have this model revived. But I think that ICC alone should have the authority over cricket. If ICC cannot be the lone authority over all the cricket boards then we shouldn't have ICC in the first place.

Actually, I don't think that the Big 3 is going to get revived. However, if the cricket boards and ICC have some understanding between themselves it is going to be a lot more hazardous for cricket.

Instead of the pig-3, we may witness the rise of pig-1. I don't know whether the BCCI need CA or ECB anymore. But a lot will depend on how the BCCI will do their bargaining for the fund allocation next year, for the 2024-31 cycle. As a result of the inflated media rights auction, the available funds for next cycle is almost 2.5 times higher than what we had last time. The BCCI receives around $50 million per year from the ICC as of now and it may go up by anywhere from $100 million to $200 million.

The situation could have been much simpler if other Full cricketing nations start contributing to ICC revenue.

BCCI does have a very solid case this time. During the ICC auction, I tuned in to some cricketing podcasts and I got to know that Broadcasters paid 97-99% money just to capture the Indian market. That's a very shocking number to me.

If China is in high position(cricket), the same could've happened with China. These countries on the top of the population makes it a big market for every business. Anything successful in these countries will generate big revenue. This is the prime reason why companies and sponsors spend big on leagues conducted on these countries.

It will be easier to conduct any business in the country where have the large number of population. India easily get the commercial success in cricket due to this reason. When there is a game in India, the entire gallery is fulled with viewers. They also have no shortage of sponsorships. As a result they demand more. There is no doubt that if China also loved cricket then their position would have been the same.

India is a huge populous country and there are many cricket lovers who are very excited to watch their country play so when India plays most of the Indians go to the stadium to enjoy the game which is why when India plays there is a gallery full of spectators to enjoy their game. For and the gallery filled crowd instilled a kind of confidence in India which allowed them to play very well and win most of the matches.

Not only the population is the main fact. Because the population in a country may be much higher, there may be different games. I think which game will have more popularity the spectators normally will more than others. Cricket is a popular sport in Indian subcontinent, so there is no shortage of viewers in the cricket. When population and popularity will be similar, then we expect the maximum.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 19, 2022, 09:13:32 AM

I would prefer if both boards keep boycotting each other instead of creating nonsensical drama.

I don't think that this is an acceptable solution. Already we are down to a handful of countries in world cricket. And among these few countries, we can't afford to have boycotting and other types of drama. I can understand if India refuses to visit Pakistan for bilateral tours. But there is absolutely no justification for boycotting multi-nation tournaments. If they do that, then it will significantly weaken the Asian Cricket Council (ACC), because most of the revenues earned from the Asia Cup goes to the ACC.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on October 19, 2022, 08:42:34 AM

The India-Pakistan spat is getting very ugly now. Jay Shah (secretary of the BCCI, and president of the Asian Cricket Council) made a controversial remark that Indian team may not visit Pakistan for the 2023 Asia Cup, and asked the ACC to move the venue to a "neutral" country. The PCB has responded by saying that if India refuses to visit Pakistan for the Asia Cup, then Pakistan may skip the ODI world cup of 2023, which is hosted by India. Being an Indian, I have to say that Jay Shah's comments doesn't make any sense. He just want to divert the attention from Ganguly's sacking.

He's also heading the ACC. It looks like he as a member proposed the neutral venue idea and as a head gave the green light as well lol.

Although IMO it was obvious, people were living in la la land if they thought India would visit Pakistan.

I would prefer if both boards keep boycotting each other instead of creating nonsensical drama.

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