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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2022, 09:07:44 PM

Problem is not with the pig-3 (pig-4 actually, with New Zealand chipping in). The real problem is with the countries or boards outside the pig-4. They are always divided and there is no unity among them. See what happened during the last election for the post of ICC chairman. Businessman and pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay managed to defeat former international cricket player Imran Khwaja by a margin of 10-6.

Now how did the pig-4 managed to obtain 6 additional votes? The vote from Cricket South Africa (CSA) turned out to be a decider. Boards such as the BCCI managed to bribe some of the smaller boards, by offering them tours. When the smaller boards themselves are greedy, you can't really blame the pig-4 for that.

Your point is absolutely correct. It's small boards that are giving strength to big3, if all small boards unite then big3 can't do anything. Now because of IPL, bcci is getting huge importance from all boards since nobody wanna miss his piece of cake.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 19, 2022, 09:07:44 PM

Quote from: coinism on May 19, 2022, 05:48:44 AM

Case of icc is different from that of bcci, while bcci is controlled by India ICC is joint venture of India, Aus and NZ. No matter who will be head of ICC, decision will be made that best suits big3 needs. Big 3 never wanted more teams to join cricket since that will destroy there monopoly, icc is fully supporting that doctrine.

Problem is not with the pig-3 (pig-4 actually, with New Zealand chipping in). The real problem is with the countries or boards outside the pig-4. They are always divided and there is no unity among them. See what happened during the last election for the post of ICC chairman. Businessman and pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay managed to defeat former international cricket player Imran Khwaja by a margin of 10-6.

Now how did the pig-4 managed to obtain 6 additional votes? The vote from Cricket South Africa (CSA) turned out to be a decider. Boards such as the BCCI managed to bribe some of the smaller boards, by offering them tours. When the smaller boards themselves are greedy, you can't really blame the pig-4 for that.

The smaller boards are supposed to be greedy in this situation because they don't have the money that the big four have. and that's what they utilized properly in this situation.
The smaller boards have to think about their future also. that's why it is really easy to drive them in my opinion. but if the smaller boards had unity between them, this could have been avoided. when the people who can make the difference are not honest, these things will happen no matter what.

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Quote from: coinism on May 19, 2022, 05:48:44 AM

Case of icc is different from that of bcci, while bcci is controlled by India ICC is joint venture of India, Aus and NZ. No matter who will be head of ICC, decision will be made that best suits big3 needs. Big 3 never wanted more teams to join cricket since that will destroy there monopoly, icc is fully supporting that doctrine.

Problem is not with the pig-3 (pig-4 actually, with New Zealand chipping in). The real problem is with the countries or boards outside the pig-4. They are always divided and there is no unity among them. See what happened during the last election for the post of ICC chairman. Businessman and pig-4 nominee Greg Barclay managed to defeat former international cricket player Imran Khwaja by a margin of 10-6.

Now how did the pig-4 managed to obtain 6 additional votes? The vote from Cricket South Africa (CSA) turned out to be a decider. Boards such as the BCCI managed to bribe some of the smaller boards, by offering them tours. When the smaller boards themselves are greedy, you can't really blame the pig-4 for that.

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Quote from: Tony116 on May 19, 2022, 08:32:41 AM

Yes, but there might be some problems because the ICC is not controlled by one or two individual men. So even if a person tries to do the right thing there will be a lot of obstacles in his way. Unless there are some big changes in the personnel of ICC I don't think this is going to change. The reason why the fans are not too worried about it is because the fans are mostly interested in the bigger teams and the bigger tournaments like the IPL and the world cup. The fans generally don't watch the matches of associate teams.

Fans of cricket are confined to South Asia and they take pride in this fact that there country players are playing in associate teams. The point is why icc does not consider this an issue. Filling associate teams with players from South Asia is only doing harm to cricket with zero benefit.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 18, 2022, 11:45:21 PM

Quote from: Juggy777 on May 18, 2022, 10:34:12 PM

@Sithara007 I don’t think that any ex player will be able to reverse these rules, because the people behind these countries won’t allow that to happen. Furthermore the only way ICC will be forced to change it if fans makes a petition and it goes viral seeking the removal of this rule, but so far I haven’t seen any ferocious demand by the fans to revoke it hence this rule will stay for now.

I would disagree with you here. We all have seen how the BCCI changed, after Sourav Ganguly took over as the president. The organization is now more transparent and I haven't heard about any complaints regarding corruption or nepotism. He was instrumental in getting Rahul Dravid as the coach of the national team. I believe that the same will be the case of ICC, in case a former player such as Kumar Sangakkara or Wasim Akram becomes the chairman. These guys will always prioritize the sport over money.

Yes, but there might be some problems because the ICC is not controlled by one or two individual men. So even if a person tries to do the right thing there will be a lot of obstacles in his way. Unless there are some big changes in the personnel of ICC I don't think this is going to change. The reason why the fans are not too worried about it is because the fans are mostly interested in the bigger teams and the bigger tournaments like the IPL and the world cup. The fans generally don't watch the matches of associate teams.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 18, 2022, 11:45:21 PM

I would disagree with you here. We all have seen how the BCCI changed, after Sourav Ganguly took over as the president. The organization is now more transparent and I haven't heard about any complaints regarding corruption or nepotism. He was instrumental in getting Rahul Dravid as the coach of the national team. I believe that the same will be the case of ICC, in case a former player such as Kumar Sangakkara or Wasim Akram becomes the chairman. These guys will always prioritize the sport over money.

Case of icc is different from that of bcci, while bcci is controlled by India ICC is joint venture of India, Aus and NZ. No matter who will be head of ICC, decision will be made that best suits big3 needs. Big 3 never wanted more teams to join cricket since that will destroy there monopoly, icc is fully supporting that doctrine.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on May 18, 2022, 10:34:12 PM

@Sithara007 I don’t think that any ex player will be able to reverse these rules, because the people behind these countries won’t allow that to happen. Furthermore the only way ICC will be forced to change it if fans makes a petition and it goes viral seeking the removal of this rule, but so far I haven’t seen any ferocious demand by the fans to revoke it hence this rule will stay for now.

I would disagree with you here. We all have seen how the BCCI changed, after Sourav Ganguly took over as the president. The organization is now more transparent and I haven't heard about any complaints regarding corruption or nepotism. He was instrumental in getting Rahul Dravid as the coach of the national team. I believe that the same will be the case of ICC, in case a former player such as Kumar Sangakkara or Wasim Akram becomes the chairman. These guys will always prioritize the sport over money.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 18, 2022, 10:17:50 PM

Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 18, 2022, 07:57:29 AM

Don't know why icc is making fun of cricket by introducing such policies. I do agree that if you see teams of UAE and Oman they are entirely made up of players from South Asia. While Nepal has 100% local players. If you give more funds to team of expats then how can cricket grow in team that have 100% local players.

Quote from: Tony116 on May 18, 2022, 10:28:58 AM

There needs to be a general rule for cricket like if you are a citizen of a certain country then you will be able to play for that country's cricket team. If you are a foreigner then you will not be allowed to play for that country. But I don't think ICC is going to do that because as far as I know, ICC gets a good amount of money from these countries to keep these things going. I don't think this is going to change unless the corrupt personnel from ICC is removed.

The eligibility criteria was change some 10-15 years ago, to allow teams such as the UAE to play with stronger squads. In no other sport, a national team can be comprised of foreign players. Not even a single foreigner is allowed in football, basketball, field hockey.etc. But in cricket, you can select a dozen players from India or Pakistan and label them as the national team of Czech Republic or Norway. Cricket has become a joke thanks to the stupidity of the ICC. My take is that, these greedy businessmen (Greg Barclay, the chairman of ICC is the best example) needs to be kicked out of the ICC and replaced with former international players such as Sachin Tendulkar and Kumar Sangakkara. Once they are in power, they will do whatever is needed to make cricket more popular across the globe.

@Sithara007 I don’t think that any ex player will be able to reverse these rules, because the people behind these countries won’t allow that to happen. Furthermore the only way ICC will be forced to change it if fans makes a petition and it goes viral seeking the removal of this rule, but so far I haven’t seen any ferocious demand by the fans to revoke it hence this rule will stay for now.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 18, 2022, 07:57:29 AM

Don't know why icc is making fun of cricket by introducing such policies. I do agree that if you see teams of UAE and Oman they are entirely made up of players from South Asia. While Nepal has 100% local players. If you give more funds to team of expats then how can cricket grow in team that have 100% local players.

Quote from: Tony116 on May 18, 2022, 10:28:58 AM

There needs to be a general rule for cricket like if you are a citizen of a certain country then you will be able to play for that country's cricket team. If you are a foreigner then you will not be allowed to play for that country. But I don't think ICC is going to do that because as far as I know, ICC gets a good amount of money from these countries to keep these things going. I don't think this is going to change unless the corrupt personnel from ICC is removed.

The eligibility criteria was change some 10-15 years ago, to allow teams such as the UAE to play with stronger squads. In no other sport, a national team can be comprised of foreign players. Not even a single foreigner is allowed in football, basketball, field hockey.etc. But in cricket, you can select a dozen players from India or Pakistan and label them as the national team of Czech Republic or Norway. Cricket has become a joke thanks to the stupidity of the ICC. My take is that, these greedy businessmen (Greg Barclay, the chairman of ICC is the best example) needs to be kicked out of the ICC and replaced with former international players such as Sachin Tendulkar and Kumar Sangakkara. Once they are in power, they will do whatever is needed to make cricket more popular across the globe.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2022, 09:32:30 PM

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In the current situation, I think ICC is always going to look for money and they will prefer money over the actual growth of cricket. So expecting too much from ICC about pushing the associate teams to get better in cricket is certainly not going to happen. Well, at least not very soon in my opinion.

ICC needs to change it's priorities. Right now, a small portion of the ICC revenue is directed towards the associate nations. But the issue is that this funding is proportional to performance. Teams such as Nepal and PNG can't compete against opponents such as Oman and UAE, because the latter group of teams are mostly comprised of former international and first class players from South Asia. Since the funding is based on performance, the lion's share of the money goes to teams such as Oman (who have teams made 100% from foreigners). And these foreigners go back to their country of citizenship after 2-3 years and therefore there is no real long term benefit for the popularity or growth of cricket in Oman or UAE.

There needs to be a general rule for cricket like if you are a citizen of a certain country then you will be able to play for that country's cricket team. If you are a foreigner then you will not be allowed to play for that country. But I don't think ICC is going to do that because as far as I know, ICC gets a good amount of money from these countries to keep these things going. I don't think this is going to change unless the corrupt personnel from ICC is removed.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on May 17, 2022, 02:29:24 PM

I agree with your all statement if any new team want to do something then surely they need to work on T20 format as it's suitable for all newcomers and youths are also had some good future in this format with now many franchise leagues are coming in different countries which are giving some good financial benefits.

Even nothing is easy and short way if you want to establish a good T20 with mostly native countries surely it's need 15 to 20 years because you have to start from grassroots gathering players from different areas or cities and giving them some good knowledge about this all is never been easy but still it's possible and good with just for own sack never try to depend on ICC or any other relative board because here no one going to help if they have no some good marketing benefit.

Yes exactly. If any new team wants to come forward and play cricket regularly they will have to put a lot of work in. First of all, they need good youngsters in the team with some genuine talent. But that is obviously hard to find when the parents are not going to be interested to let their children play cricket because in those countries cricket is obviously not going to bring in enough money to the family. And the parents will always think about the future career of their children, they can't think differently.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 17, 2022, 09:32:30 PM

ICC needs to change it's priorities. Right now, a small portion of the ICC revenue is directed towards the associate nations. But the issue is that this funding is proportional to performance. Teams such as Nepal and PNG can't compete against opponents such as Oman and UAE, because the latter group of teams are mostly comprised of former international and first class players from South Asia. Since the funding is based on performance, the lion's share of the money goes to teams such as Oman (who have teams made 100% from foreigners). And these foreigners go back to their country of citizenship after 2-3 years and therefore there is no real long term benefit for the popularity or growth of cricket in Oman or UAE.

Don't know why icc is making fun of cricket by introducing such policies. I do agree that if you see teams of UAE and Oman they are entirely made up of players from South Asia. While Nepal has 100% local players. If you give more funds to team of expats then how can cricket grow in team that have 100% local players.

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Quote from: Tony116 on May 16, 2022, 10:38:42 AM

In the current situation, I think ICC is always going to look for money and they will prefer money over the actual growth of cricket. So expecting too much from ICC about pushing the associate teams to get better in cricket is certainly not going to happen. Well, at least not very soon in my opinion.

ICC needs to change it's priorities. Right now, a small portion of the ICC revenue is directed towards the associate nations. But the issue is that this funding is proportional to performance. Teams such as Nepal and PNG can't compete against opponents such as Oman and UAE, because the latter group of teams are mostly comprised of former international and first class players from South Asia. Since the funding is based on performance, the lion's share of the money goes to teams such as Oman (who have teams made 100% from foreigners). And these foreigners go back to their country of citizenship after 2-3 years and therefore there is no real long term benefit for the popularity or growth of cricket in Oman or UAE.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2022, 10:44:07 AM

If any new team wants to play cricket at the top level it's better if they start giving importance to the t20 format because the test format is obviously a lot more skill dependent meanwhile t20 is the least skill dependent cricket format.

So it will be easier to get used to the t20 format for the newer players.

You know, ICC is obviously not going to do too much for the newer teams. so, they have to figure it out themselves because the bigger teams who have good power in ICC are also not going to help themselves.

I agree with your all statement if any new team want to do something then surely they need to work on T20 format as it's suitable for all newcomers and youths are also had some good future in this format with now many franchise leagues are coming in different countries which are giving some good financial benefits.

Even nothing is easy and short way if you want to establish a good T20 with mostly native countries surely it's need 15 to 20 years because you have to start from grassroots gathering players from different areas or cities and giving them some good knowledge about this all is never been easy but still it's possible and good with just for own sack never try to depend on ICC or any other relative board because here no one going to help if they have no some good marketing benefit.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on May 16, 2022, 10:44:07 AM

If any new team wants to play cricket at the top level it's better if they start giving importance to the t20 format because the test format is obviously a lot more skill dependent meanwhile t20 is the least skill dependent cricket format.

So it will be easier to get used to the t20 format for the newer players.

You know, ICC is obviously not going to do too much for the newer teams. so, they have to figure it out themselves because the bigger teams who have good power in ICC are also not going to help themselves.

You can't create a good T20 team out of air, it's not that easy. If it's that easy almost all associate teams have a strong T20 team by now. You need a strong domestic setup which can produce quality players that can be further segregated to test, odi and t20 based on there skills.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on May 15, 2022, 08:30:42 AM

Nepal is one of those unfortunate countries. They never get any real support from the ICC, and so far the BCCI has also refused to help them. And due to the fact that they are entirely dependent on native players, their performance has suffered in the recent times. With the poor training facilities and cricket infrastructure that is available in Nepal, the players just can't compete against teams such as Oman and the UAE, which are made up of former first class players from test nations such as India and Sri Lanka.

Here we can say ICC is run by BCCI is not helping Nepal because it's not good by marketing purpose, so they are not giving them any financial and other help which is the worst from these sports authorities, and we already discussed many times about this.

But, I am feeling Nepal will never been good country for test they need to work on T20 or ODI formats because these both are helpful for them, and they can take some good results from here with some good and quality players already in their native team, and they produce one of best spin bowler like Lamichane which play in few franchise leagues which is good for him and his country.

Now, it's time for ICC to do some better planning and changes if they want some good and quality cricket from native guys in all teams.

If any new team wants to play cricket at the top level it's better if they start giving importance to the t20 format because the test format is obviously a lot more skill dependent meanwhile t20 is the least skill dependent cricket format.

So it will be easier to get used to the t20 format for the newer players.

You know, ICC is obviously not going to do too much for the newer teams. so, they have to figure it out themselves because the bigger teams who have good power in ICC are also not going to help themselves.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 15, 2022, 11:24:09 PM

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I thought that the best format for Nepal in cricket is the T-20 format. they also did show some light of them playing T-20 very well. Now I don't know what happened to Nepal because they are not in the spotlight anymore and some of the players who play well and I still remember the leg spinner who played for IPL are not in the news at all right now.

When was the last time a player from an associate nation was picked up by an IPL franchise? If I am not wrong, Sandeep Lamichhane was the only player from Nepal to appear in the IPL and he was perhaps the last associate player to get included in one of the IPL squads. That said, the overall growth of Nepal cricket is more important than the growth of one player. Ideally, the BCCI would have asked one of the IPL franchises to organize a few exhibition matches with the Nepal team. Or at least they could include a couple of younger Nepali players in their squad as reserves. During the PSL, one of the Pakistani sides actually decided to include some Chinese players as reserves, in order to give them exposure to top level cricket.

https://www.scoreline.org/a-new-era-of-cricket-as-chinese-players-join-psl/

Yes, I was talking about Sandeep Lamichhane. And I really thought that he had a lot of potentials to be one of the best leg spinners. But we could not see him in action too much because him being from Nepal. A lot of players might have really good talent but there are not coming forward just because of being from associate teams in my opinion.

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For all the associate countries playing Cricket, T 20 is the best format they can scout their talents and give exposure to the younger generation and that is how they grow the game. Nepal is currently playing ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 and they had Dav Whatmore as their coach till last year and after that their performance are not that great.

Right now, many countries with native players are struggling badly in Associate countries league because they have no enough facilities and domestic set up which helps them for preparing well organized for these leagues against countries with adopted players because these are rich and having better financial set up with very strong system.
Just because of this much time this problem appears in ICC meetings, but they never talk about this because they are also favouring countries with adopted players for their personal benefits which is already killing few countries with good talented native countries but right now they are no able to compete with them as they need some better environment which helps them for better preparation.

In the current situation, I think ICC is always going to look for money and they will prefer money over the actual growth of cricket. So expecting too much from ICC about pushing the associate teams to get better in cricket is certainly not going to happen. Well, at least not very soon in my opinion.

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I really don't think that ICC is actually worried about inserting cricket into the Olympic games because they are very happy with the money that has been generated by cricket and they are very happy by just sitting in the house and counting that money. Right now I really don't have any high hopes about cricket and I know with the current ICC members nothing is going to go well for cricket. this peoples just want money and they are not worried about the greatness of the game at all.

But if ICC takes cricket to olympics then it means more countries will join and more money will come to ICC. Its not icc that is against taking cricket to olympics rather its the big powers of cricket behind that move aka big 3. Who will give importance to BCCI when there are 40 to 50 countries playing cricket.

Yes, I guess that's true because if a lot more countries start playing cricket, people will eventually give less importance to the bigger teams that have a good amount of authority over the ICC. We can see that in other sports there are a lot of countries taking participation but I have not seen in any of those Sports any kind of domination by the bigger teams like this. I think ICC needs to think with a straight mind and start thinking about making the game a lot more acceptable to the whole world.

I think ICC thinks on different terms. They only focuses on the team where cricket has a fan following.
Adding new teams might not be agenda of ICC - but I am unable to understand why America is going to host world cup this time?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 15, 2022, 11:24:09 PM

When was the last time a player from an associate nation was picked up by an IPL franchise? If I am not wrong, Sandeep Lamichhane was the only player from Nepal to appear in the IPL and he was perhaps the last associate player to get included in one of the IPL squads. That said, the overall growth of Nepal cricket is more important than the growth of one player. Ideally, the BCCI would have asked one of the IPL franchises to organize a few exhibition matches with the Nepal team. Or at least they could include a couple of younger Nepali players in their squad as reserves. During the PSL, one of the Pakistani sides actually decided to include some Chinese players as reserves, in order to give them exposure to top level cricket.

I think level of Nepali cricketers is way above Chinese as they are playing cricket for quite a while now. If PCB can include Chinese in PSL then surely India can do that also. India must stop running after Afghan cricket rather help his neighbours like Nepal who are cricket crazy.

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Quote from: Tony116 on May 15, 2022, 09:24:36 AM

I thought that the best format for Nepal in cricket is the T-20 format. they also did show some light of them playing T-20 very well. Now I don't know what happened to Nepal because they are not in the spotlight anymore and some of the players who play well and I still remember the leg spinner who played for IPL are not in the news at all right now.

For all the associate countries playing Cricket, T 20 is the best format they can scout their talents and give exposure to the younger generation and that is how they grow the game. Nepal is currently playing ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2 and they had Dav Whatmore as their coach till last year and after that their performance are not that great.

Right now, many countries with native players are struggling badly in Associate countries league because they have no enough facilities and domestic set up which helps them for preparing well organized for these leagues against countries with adopted players because these are rich and having better financial set up with very strong system.

Just because of this much time this problem appears in ICC meetings, but they never talk about this because they are also favouring countries with adopted players for their personal benefits which is already killing few countries with good talented native countries but right now they are no able to compete with them as they need some better environment which helps them for better preparation.

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