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Quote from: JSRAW on June 01, 2022, 09:20:31 AM

Ganguly was shitposting Grin

It turns out he's just starting a new marketing venture, nature of venture is still unknown. There were some rumor of his resignation or may be joining politics. Like getting Rajya sabha ticket from BJP or TMC.

Jay Shah has cleared speculations regarding Ganguly resignation. Don't know what he mean by this tweet, let's wait for few more days before things get clear. Ganguly has got BCCI charge when it's already on top, he has very little work to do rather just maintain the current status.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports/cricket/sourav-ganguly-has-resigned-as-bcci-president-jay-shah-clears-air-on-speculations-regarding-ex-india-captain-article-91944127

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Ganguly was shitposting Grin

It turns out he's just starting a new marketing venture, nature of venture is still unknown. There were some rumor of his resignation or may be joining politics. Like getting Rajya sabha ticket from BJP or TMC.

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Still curious about the news from Ganguly. What is he mentioning, when he says that he is going to enter another phase of his life? Another phase means that it is not related to sports. Maybe he is planning to enter politics? A few years back, there were rumors that he may become the chief minister face of BJP in West Bengal. But before the 2021 state assembly elections, he rejected the offer from BJP and the party suffered a humiliating defeat. Is he planning to join some other party now? BJP has a history of mistreating celebrities who join them, and examples are Sreesanth and Gambhir. I don't want Ganguly to end up like them.

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Quote from: ibuddy122505 on June 01, 2022, 07:43:41 AM

Saurav Ganguly leaves as BCCI president role? Prior he has shared a cryptic tweet, following his tweet he seeks supports as he will enters another part in his life. Pundits isolated since his tweet very spread in sensational manner. Anything you're doing that doesn't imply that you will be good or bad. Our due respect to you Dada. All the best on your best course of action.

Is he actually leaving the role of BCCI presidency?

All I am seeing is that people are spreading rumors about it. I also think that it was just a to it and nothing major has happened about his presidency role in the BCCI. Well, at least I have not found any proof of that.

Sourav Ganguly not resigning confirms Jay Shah after BCCI president's cryptic tweet goes viral
Source: https://www.wionews.com/sports/planning-to-start-something-speculations-intensify-as-sourav-ganguly-post-leaves-netizens-guessing-484151

Probably it is just people overreacting to something. I don't think he is going to leave the presidency.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2022, 10:35:51 PM

England has announced the 14-member squad for the ODI series against Netherlands later this month. Three uncapped players are included in the squad - Brydon Carse, David Payne and Luke Wood. Since the test series against New Zealand will be going on at the same time, members of the test squad are not included for the series against Netherlands. And these matches will form a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Right now England is in a very comfortable position, with 95 points from 15 matches. A clean sweep could take them to the top of the table.

Good to see associate team like Netherlands playing against big teams like Newzealand and England. Right now West Indies are touring Netherlands for 3 match ODI series. In the first ODI performance of Netherlands was not bad they scored 240 runs batting first which WI chased D/L method. Associate teams more matches like that to improve there quality of cricket.

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Actually, it should be a clean sweep even though England is not probably going to play their main team. This is going to be a good experience for both teams and the Netherlands will have a lot to learn. I am actually really curious to see how England does in this series against the Netherlands especially after they have appointed multiple coaches for multiple formats of cricket. England is obviously no match for the Netherlands. So, I think this might be a one-sided affair.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2022, 10:35:51 PM

England has announced the 14-member squad for the ODI series against Netherlands later this month. Three uncapped players are included in the squad - Brydon Carse, David Payne and Luke Wood. Since the test series against New Zealand will be going on at the same time, members of the test squad are not included for the series against Netherlands. And these matches will form a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Right now England is in a very comfortable position, with 95 points from 15 matches. A clean sweep could take them to the top of the table.

I believe that England very well know that they’ll win this series easily, and that’s why they’re keen to use this series to test their reserve player’s which isn’t a bad idea as those player’s will get invaluable experience of playing on the big stage.

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Quote from: galambo on May 30, 2022, 05:38:41 AM

In Australia if any person jump on ground then he has to pay fine of 5000 Aus dollars, so authorises won't mind if anyone goes to ground. Since that means more revenue to CA. In India now authorities don't allow things inside stands that can be used to stop the play.

Monetary fines won't work in India (and I am sure that is the case in other South Asian countries as well). There is a class of uber-rich, who has got unlimited amounts of money thanks to corruption and nepotism. For them a fine of $5,000 will be like pocket change. What scares them is the prospect of spending a few days in prison. And Indian prisons are very infamous for extreme violence and brutality. But then again, the judiciary here is very corrupt and these guys will be let off with a fine of $10 (and a warning) rather than a prison term.

Wow! I feel like you wrote down the exact things that might happen and it is actually very true. A proper punishment will be a bigger fine. But, then again I believe they will find a way to get away with this and I also believe that it is the case for almost all the South Asian countries. But if it is made sure that they do spend one week in prison I think no one will dare to do such things.

@Sithara007 you’re absolutely correct, and unless there’s an official rule which says that there’ll be instant jail time for those people who run on to the pitch these incidents won’t stop.

Quote from: Sithara007 on May 31, 2022, 10:35:51 PM

England has announced the 14-member squad for the ODI series against Netherlands later this month. Three uncapped players are included in the squad - Brydon Carse, David Payne and Luke Wood. Since the test series against New Zealand will be going on at the same time, members of the test squad are not included for the series against Netherlands. And these matches will form a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Right now England is in a very comfortable position, with 95 points from 15 matches. A clean sweep could take them to the top of the table.

I believe that England very well know that they’ll win this series easily, and that’s why they’re keen to use this series to test their reserve player’s which isn’t a bad idea as those player’s will get invaluable experience of playing on the big stage.

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Saurav Ganguly leaves as BCCI president role? Prior he has shared a cryptic tweet, following his tweet he seeks supports as he will enters another part in his life. Pundits isolated since his tweet very spread in sensational manner. Anything you're doing that doesn't imply that you will be good or bad. Our due respect to you Dada. All the best on your best course of action.

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England has announced the 14-member squad for the ODI series against Netherlands later this month. Three uncapped players are included in the squad - Brydon Carse, David Payne and Luke Wood. Since the test series against New Zealand will be going on at the same time, members of the test squad are not included for the series against Netherlands. And these matches will form a part of the ICC Men's Cricket World Cup Super League. Right now England is in a very comfortable position, with 95 points from 15 matches. A clean sweep could take them to the top of the table.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 30, 2022, 09:53:14 AM

Quote from: galambo on May 30, 2022, 05:38:41 AM

In Australia if any person jump on ground then he has to pay fine of 5000 Aus dollars, so authorises won't mind if anyone goes to ground. Since that means more revenue to CA. In India now authorities don't allow things inside stands that can be used to stop the play.

Monetary fines won't work in India (and I am sure that is the case in other South Asian countries as well). There is a class of uber-rich, who has got unlimited amounts of money thanks to corruption and nepotism. For them a fine of $5,000 will be like pocket change. What scares them is the prospect of spending a few days in prison. And Indian prisons are very infamous for extreme violence and brutality. But then again, the judiciary here is very corrupt and these guys will be let off with a fine of $10 (and a warning) rather than a prison term.

Wow! I feel like you wrote down the exact things that might happen and it is actually very true. A proper punishment will be a bigger fine. But, then again I believe they will find a way to get away with this and I also believe that it is the case for almost all the South Asian countries. But if it is made sure that they do spend one week in prison I think no one will dare to do such things.

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Quote from: galambo on May 30, 2022, 05:38:41 AM

In Australia if any person jump on ground then he has to pay fine of 5000 Aus dollars, so authorises won't mind if anyone goes to ground. Since that means more revenue to CA. In India now authorities don't allow things inside stands that can be used to stop the play.

Monetary fines won't work in India (and I am sure that is the case in other South Asian countries as well). There is a class of uber-rich, who has got unlimited amounts of money thanks to corruption and nepotism. For them a fine of $5,000 will be like pocket change. What scares them is the prospect of spending a few days in prison. And Indian prisons are very infamous for extreme violence and brutality. But then again, the judiciary here is very corrupt and these guys will be let off with a fine of $10 (and a warning) rather than a prison term.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 29, 2022, 10:46:06 PM

Those were old times.. people were too emotional back then, and the law enforcement was not that strict. Even pitch invasions used to happen back then. Two things have changed since then - the cricket fans became a bit more civilized, and strict enforcement of the rules mean that anyone who resorts to vandalism will spend at least a few days in one of the infamous prisons in India. And another thing is that India vs Pakistan matches have become very infrequent. And almost every time when such a match occurs, it is played in a third country.

In Australia if any person jump on ground then he has to pay fine of 5000 Aus dollars, so authorises won't mind if anyone goes to ground. Since that means more revenue to CA. In India now authorities don't allow things inside stands that can be used to stop the play.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 29, 2022, 11:23:53 AM

Quote from: Smack That Ace on May 28, 2022, 10:13:05 PM

Honestly, there are reasons for BCCI to say that because the last time ICC tried a cricket world cup with 16 teams, if I remember correctly India was knocked out of the world cup by Bangladesh and it was a really bad situation in India because of that.
People started burning Tyres and Dummies in front of the Indian cricketer's house. That's why I don't think they will want to take any chances.
As far as the ICC world cup is concerned I don't think they are going to exclude automatic qualification. Because that brings a negative result in the revenue.

Indian are crazy for cricket and they hate seeing there country losing a match. Remember 1996 semi final between Indian and Srilanka. The spectators started throwing bottles and other rubbish in the stadium after seeing that there country will lose the match. Match referee had to intervene and he declared Srilanka victorious based on score.

But that is obviously not the right act.

Well, obviously all the people will not act as rationally as people will want them to. One thing I don't understand about the fans is that they should know the players who are playing on the field are a lot more determined to win compared to the fans. Fans should be with the players when the time is hard, not against them. Obviously, people will think that they are getting paid for just playing cricket which is a luxury, to be honest, but they also have to understand that this is the best that the country has got.

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Quote from: YinShuiSiYuan on May 29, 2022, 11:23:53 AM

Indian are crazy for cricket and they hate seeing there country losing a match. Remember 1996 semi final between Indian and Srilanka. The spectators started throwing bottles and other rubbish in the stadium after seeing that there country will lose the match. Match referee had to intervene and he declared Srilanka victorious based on score.

Those were old times.. people were too emotional back then, and the law enforcement was not that strict. Even pitch invasions used to happen back then. Two things have changed since then - the cricket fans became a bit more civilized, and strict enforcement of the rules mean that anyone who resorts to vandalism will spend at least a few days in one of the infamous prisons in India. And another thing is that India vs Pakistan matches have become very infrequent. And almost every time when such a match occurs, it is played in a third country.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on May 28, 2022, 10:13:05 PM

Honestly, there are reasons for BCCI to say that because the last time ICC tried a cricket world cup with 16 teams, if I remember correctly India was knocked out of the world cup by Bangladesh and it was a really bad situation in India because of that.
People started burning Tyres and Dummies in front of the Indian cricketer's house. That's why I don't think they will want to take any chances.

As far as the ICC world cup is concerned I don't think they are going to exclude automatic qualification. Because that brings a negative result in the revenue.

Indian are crazy for cricket and they hate seeing there country losing a match. Remember 1996 semi final between Indian and Srilanka. The spectators started throwing bottles and other rubbish in the stadium after seeing that there country will lose the match. Match referee had to intervene and he declared Srilanka victorious based on score.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2022, 11:16:51 PM

I wasn't implying automatic qualifications for anyone (automatic entry is for host nation only). I was proposing same criteria for all the teams for the qualifications, this include everything which you mentioned. No ICC ranking or Full members BS, this is one regressive rule in ICC playbook (We saw what happened with Thailand Women's team in the WC)

Hmm.. agreed. If I am not wrong, this was also one of the reasons why the ICC and the BCCI opposed cricket's inclusion in Olympics. For any Olympic sport, automatic qualification is provided only to the host. Remaining teams need to go through qualifying tournaments. The ICC wanted direct entry for the tier-1 test nations (10 in total). I don't think that teams such as Scotland and Namibia are inferior to Sri Lanka or West Indies, given their recent performances. But since they almost never play against each other, we don't know for sure.

Honestly, there are reasons for BCCI to say that because the last time ICC tried a cricket world cup with 16 teams, if I remember correctly India was knocked out of the world cup by Bangladesh and it was a really bad situation in India because of that.
People started burning Tyres and Dummies in front of the Indian cricketer's house. That's why I don't think they will want to take any chances.

As far as the ICC world cup is concerned I don't think they are going to exclude automatic qualification. Because that brings a negative result in the revenue.

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2022, 11:16:51 PM

I wasn't implying automatic qualifications for anyone (automatic entry is for host nation only). I was proposing same criteria for all the teams for the qualifications, this include everything which you mentioned. No ICC ranking or Full members BS, this is one regressive rule in ICC playbook (We saw what happened with Thailand Women's team in the WC)

Hmm.. agreed. If I am not wrong, this was also one of the reasons why the ICC and the BCCI opposed cricket's inclusion in Olympics. For any Olympic sport, automatic qualification is provided only to the host. Remaining teams need to go through qualifying tournaments. The ICC wanted direct entry for the tier-1 test nations (10 in total). I don't think that teams such as Scotland and Namibia are inferior to Sri Lanka or West Indies, given their recent performances. But since they almost never play against each other, we don't know for sure.

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I am not very comfortable with the idea of giving automatic qualification for 80% of the teams. Well, the ICC will argue that top 8 teams will qualify based on ODI ranking, but it is not that simple because the associate nations (not even new test nations such as Afghanistan and Ireland) get to pay any ODIs against the full members. IMO, apart from the hosts, all other countries must go through a qualifier tournament, similar to the case with any other sports. If someone refuses to play qualifiers, then that team must be kicked out of the world cup.

I wasn't implying automatic qualifications for anyone (automatic entry is for host nation only). I was proposing same criteria for all the teams for the qualifications, this include everything which you mentioned. No ICC ranking or Full members BS, this is one regressive rule in ICC playbook (We saw what happened with Thailand Women's team in the WC)

Yes, I also agree that automatic qualification should not happen except for the hosting country.
Because of the rule of automatic qualification, a lot of smaller teams will be disheartened to even try to play in the world cup.
They will obviously feel that they are being left out and not being regarded as the same as other teams.
Because of this bullshit, We did not see Thailand's women's team in the women's World Cup.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on May 27, 2022, 09:06:39 PM

I am not very comfortable with the idea of giving automatic qualification for 80% of the teams. Well, the ICC will argue that top 8 teams will qualify based on ODI ranking, but it is not that simple because the associate nations (not even new test nations such as Afghanistan and Ireland) get to pay any ODIs against the full members. IMO, apart from the hosts, all other countries must go through a qualifier tournament, similar to the case with any other sports. If someone refuses to play qualifiers, then that team must be kicked out of the world cup.

Other sports like football have qualifiers for every temp since the whole world is participating in fifa WC. While cricket is just a game of 6 to 8 counties. The associate teams haven't taken this game seriously, so there is no point of having qualifier for 8 teams. Increase number of countries first

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Quote from: JSRAW on May 27, 2022, 09:45:04 AM

There is a saying in the Hindi belt " Dhud ka jala, chanch bhi phuk phuk kar pita hai"

Their previous experiment with the 16 teams WC didn't end well for them so they are clearly scared off implementing same idea.

To do something meaningful they have to take to take approach of -Start up culture- Take a risk for at least 3-4 WC (t-20, 50 overs) in next 8 years cycle and include more teams. Also qualification process should be same for everyone, except host nation. For financial safety they could keep India and Pakistan in same group, same with England and Australia.

I am not very comfortable with the idea of giving automatic qualification for 80% of the teams. Well, the ICC will argue that top 8 teams will qualify based on ODI ranking, but it is not that simple because the associate nations (not even new test nations such as Afghanistan and Ireland) get to pay any ODIs against the full members. IMO, apart from the hosts, all other countries must go through a qualifier tournament, similar to the case with any other sports. If someone refuses to play qualifiers, then that team must be kicked out of the world cup.

I wasn't implying automatic qualifications for anyone (automatic entry is for host nation only). I was proposing same criteria for all the teams for the qualifications, this include everything which you mentioned. No ICC ranking or Full members BS, this is one regressive rule in ICC playbook (We saw what happened with Thailand Women's team in the WC)

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