When you have no strong case in any organization and your money is also not works then things like these happen easily, I really appreciate ITF and its decision.
Hopefully now Indian will be also skipped this tour because this is already rejected by ITF and its tribunal as well so if they will not tour then they will be going into Davis Cup group 2 and Pakistan will be stayed in this group as winner.
https://www.deccanherald.com/sports/tennis/aita-loses-appeal-in-itf-tribunal-indian-davis-cup-team-will-have-to-travel-to-pakistan-2823399
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op I agree with you. That's because if a country is poor then first of all the government of that country will think about how its people are well. First, the government of the country where there is poverty will try to provide good employment to its people. Then the government should first look at various aspects of education system and medical field. Then comes the cricket, they will consider the cricket of the poor country a little later.
Poor countries don't want to invest in a sport like cricket to the exclusion of other important activities. If a country plays good cricket but is lagging behind in cricket due to lack of funding, then alternative measures would have been taken for them. But what we see in recent times is that the country which is poor is not good at cricket. Let's talk about Zimbabwe cricket, the cricket board of that country is not able to support the cricketers as much as they expect. But if ICC had played a role in all these cases then cricket would have been more competitive. But I think ICC has no focus on that.From now, they need to go through for T20i leagues in few countries and helped them with their domestic setup and other things as well, but they are having just few things which are circulating around them, and they are running for their personal interest with this all recently we have good development in African region and few Asian countries which is surely going to bring better things in near future.
Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.
The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
I also read about this, but I want to say this is too early talking about this all because we have nearly 14 months and many ups and downs can happen during this time and how this works in ICC event without India is also big problem because there is no doubt currently ICC having nearly 75% of their income from the India and if they will not participate then how things will work it's also big question which needs to be solved before this event.The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
With this all, ICC already signed this but in critical situations they will be never stand with Pakistan because in ICC all big countries favour India due to their own financial problems, so I also want Pakistan host this event but right now talking about this all and giving arguments are not right just wait and watch how things will be gone in near future with currently main target is ICC T20 World Cup which is going to play in the USA/West Indies and with this can Pakistan host PSL2024 because we have another announcement they are going to have General Elections in February 2024 this is also conflicting.
Even I am not sure Pakistan will be host this event but in case they are able to do this with the help of ICC then surely this could be not profitable for them mean to ICC because Indians will be boycotted this and ICC can't afford this all due to huge share of Indians in media rights and other financial things.
op I agree with you. That's because if a country is poor then first of all the government of that country will think about how its people are well. First, the government of the country where there is poverty will try to provide good employment to its people. Then the government should first look at various aspects of education system and medical field. Then comes the cricket, they will consider the cricket of the poor country a little later.
Poor countries don't want to invest in a sport like cricket to the exclusion of other important activities. If a country plays good cricket but is lagging behind in cricket due to lack of funding, then alternative measures would have been taken for them. But what we see in recent times is that the country which is poor is not good at cricket. Let's talk about Zimbabwe cricket, the cricket board of that country is not able to support the cricketers as much as they expect. But if ICC had played a role in all these cases then cricket would have been more competitive. But I think ICC has no focus on that. 
Indians can't compete with Pakbros in creating esteemed terrorists so poor guys had to settle with at least something.
Agreed, big or not, a scam is a scam but at the same time, needs some smoking gun if no concrete evidence is available. Hearsay is good for discussion but can't rely on it much.
Well, the terrorist groups were first created by America. If we could say anything bad about Pakistan, I guess it will be helping America to bomb Afghanistan for a long time. That was the point when Pakistan really sold out their brothers. Now of course the general public was not agreed to this. But those things happen.
Anyway, let's not get too political.
I actually do not know if sorting everything out is going to be fair towards the players. And by sorting everything out I mean not letting them play if they are not the citizen of that country. that becomes unfair to the poor countries.
Regards
Duke
Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.
The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
I also read about this, but I want to say this is too early talking about this all because we have nearly 14 months and many ups and downs can happen during this time and how this works in ICC event without India is also big problem because there is no doubt currently ICC having nearly 75% of their income from the India and if they will not participate then how things will work it's also big question which needs to be solved before this event.The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
With this all, ICC already signed this but in critical situations they will be never stand with Pakistan because in ICC all big countries favour India due to their own financial problems, so I also want Pakistan host this event but right now talking about this all and giving arguments are not right just wait and watch how things will be gone in near future with currently main target is ICC T20 World Cup which is going to play in the USA/West Indies and with this can Pakistan host PSL2024 because we have another announcement they are going to have General Elections in February 2024 this is also conflicting.
Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.
The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
I also read about this, but I want to say this is too early talking about this all because we have nearly 14 months and many ups and downs can happen during this time and how this works in ICC event without India is also big problem because there is no doubt currently ICC having nearly 75% of their income from the India and if they will not participate then how things will work it's also big question which needs to be solved before this event.The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
With this all, ICC already signed this but in critical situations they will be never stand with Pakistan because in ICC all big countries favour India due to their own financial problems, so I also want Pakistan host this event but right now talking about this all and giving arguments are not right just wait and watch how things will be gone in near future with currently main target is ICC T20 World Cup which is going to play in the USA/West Indies and with this can Pakistan host PSL2024 because we have another announcement they are going to have General Elections in February 2024 this is also conflicting.
Finally, the main threat is clear which is whether Pakistan will host the 2025 Champions trophy or not, because as you all know all everything is clear but when the tournament came so Indian team said that they would not come to Pakistan to play and then tournament moved to another country but this is a problem with only Indian team.
The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
The other team come to Pakistan but India do not come, but then ICC say that Pakistan is safe country, all the country will come in Pakistan to play the cricket, and PCB chairman Zaka Ashraf signed to ICC person that we will hosts, and if India not come so Indian team should need to give two points to every team and if they do this so they have a very low chances to win.
Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.
Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Already we have 3 months out of 12 blocked for the IPL. Then we have state level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL) and the Karnataka Premier League (KPL). I don't understand the requirement for this second tier league. Ideally BCCI should organize a second division for each of the IPL franchises. For example, TNPL should actually be organized by the CSK instead of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association. Similarly, Punjab Kings should organize a second division league for regions of Punjab, Haryana, JK and HP. This proposed 10 over league is just a carbon copy of IPL and it will be repetitive.
No issue with state leagues, states can carry on as it's localized but I wonder what if, this type of model is introduced in existing domestic setups like Ranji, Mushtaq Ali Trophy and Vijay Harare.
Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.
Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
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Already we have 3 months out of 12 blocked for the IPL. Then we have state level leagues such as the Tamil Nadu Premier League (TNPL) and the Karnataka Premier League (KPL). I don't understand the requirement for this second tier league. Ideally BCCI should organize a second division for each of the IPL franchises. For example, TNPL should actually be organized by the CSK instead of the Tamil Nadu Cricket Association. Similarly, Punjab Kings should organize a second division league for regions of Punjab, Haryana, JK and HP. This proposed 10 over league is just a carbon copy of IPL and it will be repetitive.
Right now almost 90% of the whole ICC audience is Indian. So I do not think anyone is going to dare fight against India for anything
India keeps winning matches as they are the hub of cricket. Yesterday's match was lost by South Africa because of their batting, I know the bowlers of South Africa also played very poorly because they accepted the loss, if the batsmen did good batting then the bowlers also tried to take wickets.
Reeza Hendricks, Hendrik Erasmus van der Dussen, and Wiaan Mulder, these are all the players who made zero runs, and the other batsmen are equally played like them but at least they made lowest to lowest 3 or 4 and highest to highest 6, 7, or 12. So, this is not a good score.
From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere 
Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.
Regards
Duke
Indians can't compete with Pakbros in creating esteemed terrorists so poor guys had to settle with at least something. Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.
Regards
Duke
Agreed, big or not, a scam is a scam but at the same time, needs some smoking gun if no concrete evidence is available. Hearsay is good for discussion but can't rely on it much.
Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.
My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.
From the call center to the cricket pitch, Indian scammers are everywhere
Jokes apart I think if necessary steps were taken by the ICC, it wouldn't have happened in the first place. If ICC actually said that a player has to be the citizen of a country to actually play for them, this wouldn't have happened. People might say that not much money is being distributed here. So this is definitely not a big scam. But if it is a scam, it is a scam. Whether it is a big scam or a small scam is another story.
Regards
Duke
For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.
Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.
For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.
In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.
If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.
Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.
My emphasis wasn't on whether 100 bucks are sufficient amount for players or not. I was saying that even if players are set to play a minimum of 10 actual matches every year and the remaining match exists only on paper, in this case, accusations don't hold much weight because numbers are not adding up.
For me it is simple. The countries which actually have a lot of money and they want to really get in the business quickly, are making the teams with foreign players so that they can make cricket a business model in their country. Not so much as they want to improve in the game. At the same time the countries which are relatively poor, are not being able to do that. And at the same time, they are also not getting too much help from the ICC. Let's be honest, the money that they get from the ICC is definitely not good enough. So it is hard for them to actually find good talent and nurture them properly.
Maybe you are right in your view about this all but now this can't go for long time because we have first dropped of change through Oman and most chances as things will be gone in positive way we will have changes in teams and mostly will try to go with their native players because this is the best way and ICC surely will also act as we have rules in IOC for the games, so even money can't bring anything positive for the countries which are having adopted players.Africa region is surely doing impressive work and now few other Asian countries are also bringing things like these which will give them better results and more money because in near future we will have more money with viewership is going to increase, but again we need strong act from the ICC which can bring good changes and more money just keep going with their positive mind for the change.
For ICC to actually take strong steps about this, they will definitely want to have the approval of the Indian Cricket Board. First I thought the Indian Cricket Board should not oppose this idea. But then I realized India is currently a friend of England. And England does sometimes bring players from other countries. So probably India might actually oppose this idea.
In my opinion, for playing cricket talent matters a lot. It doesn't depend the country is poor or rich. But one thing matters , Government supports cricket or not. If government will provide support to players them youngsters will arise. And they will be motivate and they will do hard work day and night. And one good player can make the base of country and that is good path to remains in to World of Cricket. Indian public is very passionate about cricket,that is why they are top in cricket. Population and money does not depend on quality players.
If a country is poor, they are going to have to worry about how to feed their people. They will have to think about the infrastructure first instead of playing cricket. They will have much more to worry about. And that will eventually make them not be very interested in cricket. And even if they start to think about cricket, they are not going to do very good at it and they will eventually end up losing money from it. So I think if a country is poor it is definitely going to have an effect.
Overall, i agree with your sentiments but when you are distributing $100k among 100-ish players per year then it hardly sounds like a big scam to me.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
This information was actually posted by someone in Twitter. One of the players got into an argument with others over payment and he went to social media with all the details (similar to what Jai Anant Dehadrai did to Mahua Moitra after the latter dumped him). I agree that $100 per match is not that big. But for medical students, it is easy beer money. And these guys are originally from the sub-continent, and ₹8,330 for a match that exists only on paper is actually significant amount here.
Not sure how it would be successful or not or pan out as they are hoping but you have to give credit to the BCCI for trying to find new ways to print money. At least In India, they are trying to tap and reach out to any potential market.
Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cricket/exclusive-bcci-readies-plans-to-launch-a-tier-2-white-ball-tournament-similar-to-ipl-11908511.html
Useless bilateral will die soon (Barring a few series), these guys know it and already started gearing up.
https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/cricket/exclusive-bcci-readies-plans-to-launch-a-tier-2-white-ball-tournament-similar-to-ipl-11908511.html
@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.
It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on. Here we need ICC to have their own system as well like FIFA is doing, and their experts are going in every country where they are checking all stuff and then giving them funds which is surely helpful for the game and also increasing the game quality and performance of the many countries as well.
@Sithara007 not surprised here that they don’t want to distribute more ICC money and sad thing is this information is in public domain yet ICC will chose to do nothing about it. Also I wonder will other countries send their star player’s or they’ll prepare a B squad of player’s and send them because in a already jam packed schedule I can’t see big player’s participation in Olympics.
It is a big scam that is going on. Take Czech Republic for example. There is a small Indian-Pakistani community that is mostly comprised of medical students and other temporary visitors. They have formed 5-6 cricket clubs that play against each other on weekends. A lot often, these matches exist only on paper. This is the Czech Republic national league. The cricket board, as well as the national team players all come from this community and there is not a single citizen who is part of this system. ICC provides around $100,000 per year in funds and the board divides this amount between the 100-120 club players, without spending any of that in development. And this is not an isolated case. In many of the European countries, this scam is going on.
There are surely lots of matches that exist only on paper but still, figures are not making a good case for any sort of scam here, even if all these players play only 5-10 matches per year, given they are getting paid 100-200 bucks for every match. I am afraid we might need more data on it.
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