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There is no clear idea of ICC in this regard. I can't remember exactly but I've ever seen such bowling in a final match in under-19 cricket. On such an appeal the umpire dismissed the batsman. Another game found the opposite. There was no dismissal. I haven't got a clear idea about this yet. But I think whatever rule is made should be clearly spread to all and the same rule should be followed everywhere. Otherwise cricket becomes a mess.

If batsmen are wary of this surely now they will care about this and not try to leave crease before ball delivered because with ICC is already given final verdict about this it's treated as normally run-out, so we don't need to talk more about this all because as already mentioned in above posts we are not giving any favor to bowlers all rules and things are in batsmen favor so if they have this advantage surely it's bowlers' right.

Even we have too much criticism about this all in past and right now but still we don't need more debate what is good or who things need to be settled with final verdict was from ICC which is now already settled with now it's all batsmen duty to have their mind settled about this all and care about this all in future as well.

Obviously there are a small number of batsmen who take advantage of this. And I agree that bowlers and batsmen should be treated equally. With free-hit and all, cricket has become a game of the batsmen with bowlers toiling very hard without much say in the proceedings. It is the duty of the batsmen to get back to the crease while the ball is being delivered. The bowler is not duty bound to give repeated warnings to the batsmen who doesn't follow this protocol. But the ICC should come up with clear rules regarding this, rather than putting everything in the grey zone.

Many batsmen have already become wary of such a dismissal. And they now don't get out of bounds before the ball is bowled. If such dismissals were not made then maybe the batsmen would have done such things regularly. But such outs are very rare. Tellers generally do not favor this type of out. But when the match is in many contests, many choose such out opportunities.

But such outs are unexpected for every batsman and player.  Especially when a world-class bowler does such things, many criticize them and say that if a world-class bowler like him resorted to such outs, what lessons will those who follow him learn from him? But every batsman should be careful about this. No matter how much pressure the team is under

Small correction, It's "Mankad" not "Mancut out" and now according to ICC rules it's renamed as normal "Run out".

There is no such thing "Beauty of cricket" when non-striking stealing the singles, it's outright cheating, which batters are doing for so long and no one bats the eye. Bowlers get penalized with the free hit and no-balls when they step over the line, even if its mm. We don't see the umpire warning bowlers and saying "Hey you are stepping the line, don't do it otherwise I'll give the no-ball". Nope it never happens, except the siren goes on n on for the next 3 seconds, followed by free-hit signal from the umpires.

I hope more bowlers start doing it regularly and call out the batters more openly, just run them out without any warning. If batters are ready to steal the yards then they should also get ready to face the consequences so no sympathy for cheaters here.

It is not just the United States. And in case of US, I am a bit more lenient, because their squad do have 3-4 players with American citizenship. That is not the case with teams like Oman, United Arab Emirates and Hong Kong. The entire squad is made of foreigners, which defeats the very purpose of forming a "national" team. How can you call a team that comprises 100% of citizens from Pakistan and India as the UAE team? Just because some of these players reside or work in the UAE temporarily, a UAE national team can't be formed from them. 

In essence, if you are able to get a good amount of money, or if you have good relations with certain individuals in the ICC, you will not have any problems at all. I believe that this is what has been happening in the ICC at the moment, and I believe that is what has been occurring. The teams that are made up of foreign players are being given a really good amount of money in order to make their teams successful. It is also evident that they are trying to include the USA in the cricketing world, despite the fact that everybody knows that the USA is not a very interested country in cricket.

Mankad Out
Why do Indian players give birth to the same controversies over and over again?  
There are various discussions and criticisms about this debate of theirs. "Mankad" out"may sound unfamiliar to everyone. Let's get familiar with unfamiliar words first.  Mankad out in cricket is one such type of out in cricket but no one likes or can accept this out. If the batsman leaves the bowling end crease before the bowler hits the stumps with the bowler's ball, the out is treated as a mancut out even if the out is included in the run out.  
Earlier in the IPL we saw Ravichandran Ashwin's dismissal of Jos Buttler which led to a lot of criticism. But after a year, Harshal Patel again tried such an out. In his last over, he planned such a dismissal to prevent the defeat of the team and as per his plan, when the batsman came out of the crease, he failed to put the ball on the stamp in the first instance, but later he put the ball on the stamp with a direct throw. Later when the third umpire was called, the third umpire declared the out not out as the ball was not stamped properly.  
Harshal Patel tried hard but could not prevent the team from losing and his team eventually lost to LSG by one wicket.

But I think the beauty of cricket is lost through such outs.  There are many rules for getting out in cricket, why did they not choose this method of mankad out again and again instead of getting out according to that rule. Bowlers who choose to make such dismissals should be ashamed of themselves.

What are your thoughts on this out?

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There is no eligibility criteria in ICC which is big problem because this sports organization is not run by former players mostly here we have businessmen which are doing things for their own view and ICC is surely needs to work as we have many other sports organizations which are working and developing their games and having good policies as well which are helping these games for having better results. Here we have few good countries with native players but sadly their performance is not going as we need just because of these countries which have adopted players, and they are enjoying good funds as well participation in Olympics was a positive way to bring positive changes, but now this is also not going to work because we have no enough paper work from ICC for joining this IOC.

Everyone knows the eligibility criteria from the ICC. And that’s why people can strongly oppose that idea and I can also say that the idea is absolute bullshit. There is no reason for foreign people/players to represent a team that is the national team of that country. And that inherently indicates that the country which is giving the foreign players chances to play in the national team just doesn’t have good enough native players, or doesn’t give the professional cricketers an adequate amount of money.

If the team was made up of local and native players, the support for the team was going to be from the heart.

But that is not the case here. Even the people who want to support the team know very well that those players are going to go back to their own country in no time. So there is actually no point supporting a team like that. He feels simply doesn't have passion for something, someone else is going to be better at that and you are not going to get the support you want. And I don't think it is about support for the players. It is most probably about the money.

The players from other countries who are temporarily settled in UAE or Oman they are there to earn money and this is also one way of earning money for them and this is some really good and decent income.  Otherwise all of us know how Pakistani, Bnagladeshi and Indian labourers endup in middle-east hard life that mostly cost them their lives.
And Mark my words the people who are settled in UAE they never want to come back.

I understand this all situation but still if they want to enjoy then surely need to change their policies or having better strategy for bringing things which increase interest of local peoples, and they will be able to have quality players in future as well or leave this all because peoples are not interested, and they are doing bad things which will hurt other countries which are working on merit but sadly have no enough sources.

Even no one can force ICC or relative boards to bring better policies for adopting this all because we are no enough powerful to convey them for having things in this way with right now money is main thing, and they are taking good advantage after allowing these Gulf region countries for having teams with adopted players which are against the spirit of the game.

Migrant workers in the United Arab Emirates and Oman are mostly the temporary ones. They work in these Emirates for a couple of years and then return to India or Pakistan. Now creating national cricket teams out of these players doesn't make any sense because the loyalties lie with their native countries and not with UAE or Oman. A few weeks ago, there was a match between Nepal and UAE being staged in Dubai. Despite the match being hosted by UAE, there was not a single fan in the stadium who supported that team. On the other hand, Nepal was being supported by thousands of fans.

Even I agreed about these all statics but still I have to explain one thing mostly players those are coming in these teams are not from grassroots which is the biggest issue mostly these are coming from their countries for jobs and other stuff and now representing these countries without their citizenship level which is main issue if they have players from their system then surely no one talk about this all because all understand how life is going here in these Gulf countries, but sadly they are not following criteria they are just hiring players which are fail to have any chance in their native country and enjoying here.

With there is no doubt about this all Gulf is second home for the Indians as they have strong base here and long term connections but still here these Arabs are not allowing mostly peoples their citizenship because they are still trying to increase domestic population or having peoples those are doing best in few departments like education, health and computer management.

I was not aware of this statistic that I know through your information. If only 13 percent of a country's total population is settled, it is not impossible to find the existence of those migrants in every sector. It is not unusual to have foreign players in the UAE team. However, this picture is not limited to the United Arab Emirates. In today's USA team, foreign players dominate the team. But even though there are more natives, those players are not being given the opportunities.

This is the criteria and the same is useful for the Arab nations. When we talk about UAE, almost 30% of the population is from India and next stands Pakistan with around 13% whereas the native population is around 12% for which it is possible to see high number of players in the UAE national team coming from both the countries. With Oman same is the scenario, Indian population is around 20% in Oman. With the increasing population in India we were able to see good number of people moving to Arab countries for their jobs as immigrants. This is how the players might've got into the national team. Other countries doesn't have this access, if not those countries might've got more foreign players in their squad.

As per the changed eligibility criteria from the ICC, any foreigner residing in another country for more than 6 months, either on a tourist visa or a work visa is eligible to play for that country. And there is no limit on the number of foreigners as well. It is very much possible to form a national team with 11 foreigners and zero natives. That is how teams like UAE and Oman are having teams comprised solely of foreigners. And the funding is linked to the performance. Teams with native players get less funding, because they can't compete against first-class players from India and Pakistan.

Yes it is true that Aleem Dar has announced his retirement from Test matches only but if Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) wants to re-nominate Aleem then he can referee international matches again like before. According to reports, Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has re-nominated Aleem Dar and he will be able to referee international matches as usual. Aleem Dar will referee the 2024 and 2025 Men's World Cups along with the 2023 Women's T20 World Cup.
But the exact reason why Aleem Dar resigned from the ICC Elite Panel is not known here but we will see him refereeing international matches again soon.

Here too u expected results could come. Anyhow it is very important for Sri Lanka and West Indies to play very carefully. Losing and getting not qualified will surely be a big discussion and it takes time for the leading nations to get adopted to such losses. As mentioned experience always play its role, however the time and fate should support the teams. Other than Sri Lanka and Namibia every team is like Asian team, lets see what surprise is awaiting.