Topic: Crisis like 1930 it's impossible now we are use to with good life (Read 347 times)

Who is this "we"? There are so many people on these forums that have different costs of livings and different incomes from various sources. Back in 1930? Tv's and the internet did not exist, with all the simplications they bring. Many people did not have indoor plumbing or showers. There were very limited global supply chains, you'd generally be eating whatever grew in the local area year round. Clothes? You'd be wearing the same sets year round and repairing them, washing would be done by hand. Mass produced cars were in their infancy. The world has come a huge distance in the last hundred years and it's ridiculous when people make comparisons which don't have any context.

As long as it's a crisis that makes people live way under the life they used to live, it's a crisis. If we are used to living a certain way, and suddenly EVERYONE drops their way of living down to a lower level because of something, that is considered a crisis and that is still a bad deal. Too many people end up with an issue on things like this and that does matter a lot, we should be careful about it and not really make a big deal out of it neither.

I get that it is going to cause a lot of trouble for a lot of people but we need to make sure that things are doing better on the long run. I get that life is not that simple, but it can be done one way or another as long as we hold our belief that crisis is something we can profit from.

Germany in 1930 was a beautiful and successful country where cheerful people ate delicious food, drank great beer, played sports, went to the theater and listened to great classical music.  However, in 10 years the situation has changed radically... The Nazis came to power in the country, and most of the men were sent to the front. 

Russia and Ukraine in 2007 differed very little in terms of living standards from Western countries.  Even now, in the large cities of Russia, the standard of living of their inhabitants is quite high.  And in parallel with this, hundreds of thousands of people fell into hell. 

And these are the same people who just recently watched YouTube videos, ate pizza and drank exotic coffee.  From heaven to hell (and vice versa) is just one step.  When such situations arise, most people try to adapt to them, not realizing that their standard of living is falling catastrophically.  It seems to them that the situation will change for the better, but after a while they realize that they are in hell.  And now hell is their life. 

Therefore, in my opinion, a global economic crisis is possible.  A catastrophic drop in the standard of living of people around the world is also possible.

At this point of life one just have to try his or her best to be able to provide the basic thing to stay Alive by putting more effort to work. Some situation we found ourselves it doesn't jest make sense to fold the hands and think nothing can be done about it. The level in life presently is not the limit in life, their are things , effort that can be made to get elevated from the current level. I do not believe things must be accepted the  way we see  it, if we accept the bad situations in life we may just remain poor in life without having any good achievements

You could really be able to say such thing if you are on a condition on which you do have the money, try to look around OP and you would be finding out on how many % of the worlds population is starving to death

or having that lack of sufficient mean on day to day basis which they could barely be able to survive. Be thankful that you are on the condition which you wont really be having those kind of problems when it comes to finances on which you wouldnt really be able to say if you are on the foot of those people who had been struggling even with their own food or meal on everyday. THere's no such thing that perfect in this world on which if there are people who are rich then there are people who do sit in between and to those who are at the bottom.

This is why we are really that trying our best on having that multiple income sources or even just having that single job for us to survive because everything on this world comes with a cost
and what if you dont have money? for sure you would be homeless and barely could eat.

I would say that its earned though, that is the life humanity built for itself. You can't call a crisis not a crisis just because we are not wearing a cloth around our private parts and go hunt some mammoth or something. Obviously humanity evolves, and it should evolve, which means that crisis of today will be different than crisis of those days, its only natural. You are not going to suddenly start living with 30's standard just because you think that would be called a real crisis. You can still buy the luxury phone, you can still buy that good PC, or new bag, thats not the point. The point is that income is not enough for the expense, and when you look at just bare minimum living expense, thats usually higher than most peoples income.

What I get here is someone who is trying and not too subtly, to give us an impression that he’s living the good life also notably in the west. Hence, it’s impossible to go into a cris simply cause he’s used to the good life.
Either you’re penniless and having hopes of someday having fancy luxurious things you see flashing on on TV, or you’re just plain arrogant. Personally, I think you don’t have shit.
Besides, don’t you think people living the good life then also felt it’s negative impact? Possessions accumulated over a long period can be gone in a blink.

Lol I would not agree that progress is not always a good thing but it comes with its challenges. It depends on and individual but the society must not remain stagnant, it must evolve and if it does, it will have both negative and bad effect but for discussion purposes some people may prefer the old time past and that is why they refer it to the good old days, mostly the old folks while the new generation which is the young may not really have the leverage of comparison because they didn't live in the past. Surely, the modern time has its challenges but it is well taken care of by same modern infrastructures. Like in health, the diseases and virus that the world withness are also taken care by modern technology.

There's a huge gulf between "we used to live well" and "we're going to live well anyway."
If we try to compare the crisis of the 30s, there are purely economic reasons at the heart of it. I agree with some probability - most likely the repetition of such a scenario is unlikely. But.... the world is changing. And if it happened "accidentally" then in today's world there are regimes that can repeat such a crisis intentionally. For example mass terrorism at industrial facilities - plants, factories, oil and gas pipelines and extraction stations, nuclear power plants, railroads, power lines,..... This can really plunge the world, and especially the civilized world, into chaos both technologically and economically.

And if such a process is launched, it will be extremely difficult to stop it, which is why we need to work proactively, reducing to zero the possibility of such regimes/powers to develop and build up forces

Yes, there is a grain of truth in that. There is less and less natural and more and more artificial. And artificial intelligence is destroying jobs. In 1930 you could find a job despite the crisis, but now it is much more difficult because of the internet and the universal base. Progress is not always a good thing

To the extent that you alluded that now is better than the 1930s, have you asked around within the older folks to know if they would concur with you... Truly they won't. They will tell you life was far more better than what it is today. That they prefer the undiluted air and the natural breath they had without diffused with carbonmonoxide. They will tell you they enjoyed the serene and tranquil environment they had. What about the natural foods that more or less is a recipe for longevity, what about inflation and poverty that has left luxurious life to the exclusive of the rich and many more they could point at.

If you want to do a comparison of the life back then and now, you will see it is a whole lot of array you want to discuss that put different opinion for and against the time then and now.

Yes, he can be because that is what he experienced. The guy might be filthy rich, but his only mistake is when he generalized the living he is experiencing now from others when we know that many people are also poor, and even if there are no reported and confirmed crises in the news, these poor individuals are still struggling with their daily life.

However, there might be rich people who are over-sensitive and thinks that they already wasted a massive wealth from a small decline of their net worth or business. Therefore we can say that these people are also affected by some crises especially if it's related to financial such as recession and inflation.

You know that rich kid life where the child gets to grow up all his life within the court of the palace nursing the idea that same privileges he enjoys is what every person in the outside world also gets, only to finally see that he has been living in delusion.

The factors that led to the great depression of 1930 culminating from the 1929 are at present we us if we ain't aware  till now. We can see how divergent  government policies are failing, economic downturn on all sides around the world with inflation on a thin line to getting hyper, in the interim the governments is covering their failures just to reduce tension and panic but for how long.

I fail to see the relevance of your post. Perhaps, this is just a post to toot your own horn or is this really how you see things right now? Moreover, based on your replies to other community members that have posted here, you are stating that you are from the West and this is just normal to you. Alright, I'll humor you. First off, if you are truly living a luxurious lifestyle then may I recommend getting a formal education or tutor in English? Despite having those luxury things you claimed to be enjoying, it seems like a basic need in education regarding proper communication is lacking on your part. As far as I know, most people who are actually living such a lifestyle can at least communicate better, and know the proper spelling of 'coffee', especially after claiming that it is a part of your daily routine.

See, I'm usually not one to spend much time in terms of things like this as I know not everyone has access and is capable of learning English as their second language, but seeing as you are bragging about your luxurious life, I at least expected you to be well versed in English or at least be decent with it. I fail to see the privileged life you are claiming to have when it seems as if proper communication and humbleness do not exist in your world.

Here's the reality, OP. Not everyone lives a luxurious life, not even half of the people living in the West. Human beings are born with the nature to survive, hence even if such a crisis happens, we will find a way to cope and exist. Moreover, the economy will not adjust to your lifestyle. You are the main character wherein the world will adjust to your needs. If a crisis happens, you, just like everyone else, will feel it and adjust to it.

Now, as advice, I suggest you use the money are bragging about to access to tutor or module that can help you with your English. If you were only here to brag I suggest doing your post locally and in your native language.

I apologize to everyone, but I think the OP is mocking us or being heavily ironic... :) He seems to be trying to emphasize that the luxurious life in the west is out of proportion to the rest of the world. I agree with him on that, but there are some understandable reasons for that, like hard work and production, and some not so understandable reasons from the colonization period. I also think that if another big global crisis comes knocking on our door, nobody can escape it. In fact, the west may have bigger problems because they have lived in prosperity and abundance but without the need for some of the basic concepts that hold communities together. If they suddenly have a big stress test, it could be a difficult time for them...

Are you sure you know what you're saying, mate? At least use some commas to make these words of yours more understandable. Are you saying that crises are impossible to happen then, people who are not used to these crises are living with luxurious life as their norm life? See, there's a big difference between using little punctuation into understanding what message you're trying to convey about people, crisis, and luxury life. But you know what's the matter at this time? It's about feeling what others are experiencing and giving you the thought that not everyone are having the best time of their lives.

Perhaps the op's simply very oblivious to a life of a lot of privilege, or the post it kind of written in a way to troll, to trigger irritation. I don't know which one that is, and I won't dwell on the obvious of how many people are living in poverty and economic instability in the world. I'll focus on a possibility of something like the 1930s Great Depression. I think it's less likely to happen now, but it's not entirely impossible, especially if Russia's war against Ukraine turns out to be one of the many wars of the following decades and not an outlier followed by a more peaceful world. If we're entering turbulent times, and so this decade so far has been very turbulent, serious economic hardships even of very wealthy countries are totally possible.

OP, vanity is a sin. Your west is not your property. Your life can turn upside down at any moment, so your boasting is out of place. What are you so successful at doing among us mortals? You have nowhere to prove your self-sufficiency? Or maybe the Internet is the only place to feel like a hero?
Such talk about selfishness and indifference to other people does not speak well of your personality.
There is a good expression; listen if you are capable: One day you will have to go down, and there you will meet those whose fate did not bother you. Think of your own ending.

If you eat pizza 24 hours every day, you will die of cirrhosis of the liver.

This is very clear and I hope op will take a look at the war in Ukraine. We need to understand that anything can happen at anytime that could take away the kind of luxury lifestyle that we are used to. The world is coming to an end and vigorous things will happen which are inevitable. I could remember the time of COVID-19 when live was very hard to adhere to because there was no jobs, no works, no movement, everyone was foreced to be in there various houses and for those that don't have a house, or money to eat, they'll gi starving and begging for foods.

Have you heard the war between Ukraine and Russia? That's a crisis that many didn't expect to happen in modern world and it can still happen to other countries son don't over confident and make sure that you are ready for this kind of scenario. Actually I'm living on a country that can be a battle ground if the war started again, but I hope bigger countries will do everything to prevent this from happening again. Crisis can still happen, especially with the economic crisis and many are suffering already with hyperinflation.