Topic: Criterion for selecting a moderator for the local section (Read 506 times)

I think I was very clear here.
I started this topic to discuss ''Criterion for selecting a moderator for the local section'', nothing more, nothing less.
So, when I said that ''I didn't ask local moderator for Croatian section or something like this'' here, it's correct.
When I decide it's right time, I may start such topic in the meta but I don't think it's right time now.
In Croatian section of the forum I started another topic and asked opinions from local members if we need moderator or not.
It's not the same as you may think. First I wanted to know opinions from local members if we need local moderator or not before I check here about criterion to get local moderator.
Regarding example, after some research I find it: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/nas-topic-zalutao-u-pogresan-deo-foruma-5149975
I don't want to continue this useless discussion so let's return to the original topic, if is ok with you?

I probably misunderstood "I don't see a reason why we can't get local moderator" from topic. Wait, I didn't.
Nop.

"this is just example" but where is example? Wasn't that serbian local which was removed and not some thread/post in our local? You accused moderators not only here but in our board as well and yet you are not able to provide at least one example, instead, you are repeating yourself, as usual, with slight difference - you are doing it on 2 boards now.

You'd think that, but I would argue different. This community is a little more friendly than people make out. My experience of a moderator has been nothing, but positive. I've had very friendly PM's off not only well established accounts, but also newbies who are asking about the rules or why one of their posts got deleted. I think users mistake being challenged publicly as a hatred for the moderators when simply they are asking for an explanation of some mod actions which in my opinion they have every right to do. This isn't meant to be a blanket statement obviously as I would assume some users have issues with the illusion of 'authority'.

For a forum which is at constant war with itself with trust battles going on every other day I was surprised by the friendly approach most users have made during my time as a mod.

I simple asked following question here: Criterion for selecting a moderator for the local section?
I didn't ask local moderator for Croatian section or something like this.
I'm grateful for all answers because now is more clear what are the general criteria to get a moderator in local sections.
Regarding local posts which moderators moved to the wrong sections, it's corrected already long time ago, so I can't find it anymore.
This was just one example why understanding of the local language is important for the moderator's job.
This case was resolved several months ago, but it was important to explain that such errors are possible when the moderator doesn't understand the local language.

TBH, there isn't much really happening on the Indian Board as compared to Russian/Indonesian/other boards. The ideology that 'every reporter is a moderator' will only work if other Mods/Global Mods have to handle a limited number of posts from a different section. If there are thousands of posts being reported on a daily basis it will be much harder for other mods to handle them especially if they're in a language that they do not understand.

You should open a thread in the Reputation section about this user (if it already exists, then I must have missed it). This will resolve some questions about "criterion".  

Stop posting from my other account.

Cmon Daniel91, we already had this conversation in our local because some off topic posts, thread with referral link and spam thread have been removed. Your reasons are simple wrong, we don't need moderator, section is not so active and global moderator is doing good job on reports.Which one?

This is an utter lie. Let's vote for a new mod for India was posted on August 17, 2019, 04:29:37 PM, while you started claiming of your report on February 21, 2019, 02:06:13 PM.


@Heisenberg_Hunter To achieve your mission to be the moderator and merit source of Indian board, you have lost the track of your lies. Watch your steps buddy.

There are several general criteria that can be used for the requirements to become a local moderator in my opinion, namely:
1. Have high integrity
2. Contribute to the forum
3. Discipline monitors user activity
4. Not too selfish and can solve problems well.
5. Fair, helpful and trustworthy.

The rest may have free radical antidotes from shitposter, because many shitposter hate moderators because they are always the target of deleting posts. 

Very true. Even with the removal of Dabs, you people still have Mr.Big as the moderator who can very well trash almost all the shitposts and is one of the very active silent moderators present in this forum.

Being a moderator will earn you more hate from shitposters, bounty hunters and trolls   and some even need to work hard like Halab who is currently moderating the French subforum really well. French, Russian and Indonesian are one among the very active local communities present here along with Philippines.

I guess this might be true for English boards but not for local boards. AFAIK choosing mods for local boards is a random pick based on reports. A good example for such a situation is when Halab was made a moderator when he was only a Member and was pretty new to the forum at that time. But the appointment was made solely since he was really good at reporting and nothing more. There were far  more trustworthy reputed members like LeGaulois, yogg and JohnUser from French sections FYI who were not appointed as a MOD.

True but we are gaining something from our signatures for posting, why don't we help a little to keep this forum clean?

Sorry mate, but you have misunderstood what I said, its not necessarily on a users account but the reputation of the board that can be left behind without any moderation. And also I don't think being a Mod will give us that kind of credit besides you were already a reputed and trusted member if you were picked to do the task. Moderator position is simply being given to users whose already a trusted member here with enough contributions to the forum, I doubt it will be random pick LoL. So basically it can't be like that.

Additionally, I get what your point here but considering not all user are willing to do the task for free.

Ok, now is more clear what  criterion for selecting a moderators admins have.
I don't know statistics of reported posts in the Croatian section of the forum but generally I don't think we have some big problems with spam.
I personally reported some posts to moderators and they deleted it very quickly.
Only problem we had with moderators is that they moved some posts to the wrong section or topic because they don't understand our language of course.
Because of it and fact that we already had local moderator in the past,  when we had even less activity and members I felt it's right time to start discussion about it.
Heisenberg_Hunter, thank you for your post,  you are probably right.
We shouldn't depend to much on others but should become more independant and more responsible for our local forums.

If you are willing to gain reputation of the community by moderating a sub-forum then its totally a bad way of gaining trust from fellow members. Trust and reputation should come eventually on a person and if anyone trying to voluntarily gain them in the name of doing some welfare for the forum I wouldn't trust them forever. To be quite true I have been reporting and meriting 100s of posts in my local board but has never uttered a word about the same and nor I was willing to say that. All I revealed is when someone from my local board PMd me to post in this topic : Let's vote for a new mod for India. Also  if someone starts reporting posts as soon as knowing that reports are one of the key factors for appointing a moderator, I wouldn't trust them either even though they have been made a moderator.

Our local board moderator was removed on April 2018 and when I got to know about the "Report to Moderator" feature in March 2018, I have been reporting numerous spams from the Global as well as my local boards. None does know I belong to the country and how many posts I have reported so far from my local board until I started making posts off late at the start of 2019 since the board has reached the state of betterment due to my reports. The good reports of mine should be around 700 only from Local and apart from that myself and a group of reporters strived very hard to make the board spam-free and reactivate them from dead. I never uttered a word nor I posted in my local board up until June 2019 though I have been silently reporting the shitposts from March 2018.

As far as Indian board is concerned, we would prefer to speak in English rather than the local languages we use all over the country. This is one of the good reasons, the reporters are able to keep the board free from spam since it would be easier for the global moderators to handle reports very often. Though we don't have a moderator, we have a telegram group dedicated for the local board where we would discuss things right from personal - forum related. Almost all the non-spammer local board posters are present in the group and we would discuss about forum goings quite frequently and would subsequently take steps for the betterment of the local board.

We are also one among the very few local boards who has created a contest for celebrating the 10th anniversary in local board as well : [ANN]Speculation Game -10th anniversary Indian Forum Celebration-Win 0.002211btc We are proud to say that we are really a good working very much decentralized local board without a moderator and we don't need anyone governing us. A moderator is not a defacto leader of the whole board and he can only keep the board free from spam and promote good discussions taking place all over the board.

As far as Indian board is concerned, Every reporter is a moderator and every quality poster is a merit source. We don't need to depend on theymos for appointing someone separately to do the task. since its not really easier to appoint someone who is trustworthy to do the job effectively.

If a new mod is choosen for the Spanish forum, I humbly request that he does not use Chuck Norris as personal image like one of the current ones. It is just too 80´s

I would say that the Spanish section is more of a place to relax and has less of the quarrelling and angry arguing I´ve seen in other sections.

I can't speak for all the moderators, but I will continue even without being paid (as long as I have "faith" or as long as I'm not fired ).
When I accepted the job, I knew that mods were paid, but I thought there was an annual "compensation", not a monthly pay .

And to answer the OP, the main criteria is the number of reports (and patience).
Creating a topic to describe the situation of your local section by giving examples of abuse may help.

There are already few threads created by forum members about need of moderators for their local section but it seems no urge from theymos to appoint moderators so he is the one can decide where a local section need to have one or not,who knows he is still looking for the right members to be as staffs or he is too busy to analyse these things.

Let me see.

If admin sees need to have new local moderators, there are some possible inclusive criteria for potential new local moderators:
- Actively using the forum
- Highly trusted by community (by so many things: reports, scam fightings, contribute to discover, test and find bugs then help to improve the forum, etc.), locally is important.
- Can speak English so theymos can directly talk with them.
Maybe more, you can dig in past announcements of theymos when he looked for new moderators and see what he required as prerequisites for candidates of new moderators.

Need several moderators

Moderator

There are a lot, and I mean, a lot of patrollers. Even if a local category does not have a moderator and/or only one or two people reporting a post, they'll be dealt with. If you think that only a few people report and it will go unnoticed, there are hilarious and other global mods who are always out for them. In our case (Turkish category) we did not have a moderator until the End of 2013 when the Bitcoin started to rise to a certain level we were getting tons of spam, same kinds of threads being created by several different accounts, in the end. A moderator was assigned.

P.S. Huge thanks to Cyrus for all his help back then, just reminiscing.

Sure, I'd continue doing it. A lot of the staff were reporting thousands of reports before they were made a moderator so I doubt many of them would duck out if payment was pulled.

I have handled some of your reports recently as I'm ok with Spanish. Although, definitely not fluent, and my grammar when writing in Spanish leaves much to be desired (very much like my English ).

If there's a lot of unhandled reports then that's one of the indicators that a section requires a moderator. If you think theymos isn't aware of the amount of reports going unhandled then you can bring it up, and ask for theymos to check the reporting statistics of the local section.

Global moderators will be able to see it, and patrollers will be able to see reported newbie posts. Otherwise, no one else is able to see them, and they act just like any other section.

Seems like that could fall into a catch 22.  If few reports are made, and a moderator is deemed unnecessary, then more bad posts may go unreported.  People may feel it's not worth their time to report a post if they're under the impression that no one will look at it.

If a post is reported in a section without a specific moderator does it go int a pool that all moderators can see?