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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on September 13, 2020, 03:35:41 AM

It is not possible that they can play gambling and yet they do not know it is gambling. You have to deposit money before playing. From whom these children take money ?

There is difference between online games and gambling because most of the online games are free of cost while money is involved in gambling.

They could get their money from playing these games as some of them have a reward system and if they're lucky enough to get one of the rare drops they could easily earn $10-$20 by putting those items on the market or trade them to another site before the value goes down heavily.

Quote from: noormcs5 on September 13, 2020, 02:55:45 AM

Those who play gambling are more concern about the earnings rather than the entertainment. Also gambling is played mostly by the young and middle aged people. They do find it entertaining as well and of course there is nothing more entertaining than earning the money while playing.

If it's only for casino i'd agree that one of the entertaining part in gambling is winning money but it depends on what you're betting on because on sports betting it can still be entertaining even if you're losing.

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Quote from: Janation on September 13, 2020, 12:46:01 AM

Quote from: Oceat on September 12, 2020, 01:42:47 PM

I don't think underage players from eSports are trying to play gambling. They were just there to play online games that they like but for some players who do know what is gambling and does know how to play must be stop from playing if he's just gambling. We all know how dangerous gambling games is in the long run.

I think that is the worst there.

For them, they are just having fun, they are just trying to get stickers, skins, guns, heroes, or whatever that could make them the game interesting for them but what they don't know is that they are already gambling. I think that could mainly affect these children and might influence them to do gambling since they are used to taking these risks buying loot boxes.

It is not possible that they can play gambling and yet they do not know it is gambling. You have to deposit money before playing. From whom these children take money ?

There is difference between online games and gambling because most of the online games are free of cost while money is involved in gambling.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 13, 2020, 02:50:28 AM

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This is the wrong logic (i mean OP). All these good intentions on the one hand are fair and on the other they call for what? To KYC/AML, to canceled transactions, total control and other delights of the fiat world. I believe that teenagers are a zone of responsibility for parents and not for those who develop games or cryptocurrency.

OP seems to think that mostly young people play games so young people will also bet on them, but young doesn't mean underaged.

Most of us knew how to play card games when we were young and we played but how many of us played for money? Not many because we had very little money when we were kids and games were meant to be fun.

If a 12 year old plays playing CS hears about esports betting he won't start to gamble all of a sudden. If he had money he could gamble buying keys and trading skins.

This is an interesting point of view, I agree with you. If we compare the attractiveness of different games for young people, then gambling is likely to be an outsider, like chess) It is very difficult to compete with entertainment content, the majority of young people are looking for entertainment and not earnings.

Those who play gambling are more concern about the earnings rather than the entertainment. Also gambling is played mostly by the young and middle aged people. They do find it entertaining as well and of course there is nothing more entertaining than earning the money while playing.

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Quote from: pixie85 on September 12, 2020, 03:48:50 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on September 12, 2020, 03:13:10 PM

This is the wrong logic (i mean OP). All these good intentions on the one hand are fair and on the other they call for what? To KYC/AML, to canceled transactions, total control and other delights of the fiat world. I believe that teenagers are a zone of responsibility for parents and not for those who develop games or cryptocurrency.

OP seems to think that mostly young people play games so young people will also bet on them, but young doesn't mean underaged.

Most of us knew how to play card games when we were young and we played but how many of us played for money? Not many because we had very little money when we were kids and games were meant to be fun.

If a 12 year old plays playing CS hears about esports betting he won't start to gamble all of a sudden. If he had money he could gamble buying keys and trading skins.

This is an interesting point of view, I agree with you. If we compare the attractiveness of different games for young people, then gambling is likely to be an outsider, like chess) It is very difficult to compete with entertainment content, the majority of young people are looking for entertainment and not earnings.

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Quote from: Oceat on September 12, 2020, 01:42:47 PM

I don't think underage players from eSports are trying to play gambling. They were just there to play online games that they like but for some players who do know what is gambling and does know how to play must be stop from playing if he's just gambling. We all know how dangerous gambling games is in the long run.

I think that is the worst there.

For them, they are just having fun, they are just trying to get stickers, skins, guns, heroes, or whatever that could make them the game interesting for them but what they don't know is that they are already gambling. I think that could mainly affect these children and might influence them to do gambling since they are used to taking these risks buying loot boxes.

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Quote from: alani123 on September 02, 2020, 11:37:14 PM

The concern of children developing unhealthy habits already exists against the games they play. Imagine if gambling becomes more accessible to them also. Both crypto and the platforms would be to blame in the eyes of many people. And then it'd be no surprise to see regulators trying to also regulate more against crypto and gambling in general.
In my view, underage persons should have the right to own crypto. They already have the right to own cash anyway. But allowing kids to gamble has questionable ethics.

When gambling operators integrate or include eSports they did not think or consider that those who will be playing are kids they included it for their matured players, so it's not their fault, they can post parental guidance on the homepage, but the responsibility of restricting kids from playing in gambling sites are the parents.
The parents should know what their kids are doing online what sites they are browsing and they can restrict gambling sites on their browser.

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 12, 2020, 03:13:10 PM

This is the wrong logic (i mean OP). All these good intentions on the one hand are fair and on the other they call for what? To KYC/AML, to canceled transactions, total control and other delights of the fiat world. I believe that teenagers are a zone of responsibility for parents and not for those who develop games or cryptocurrency.

OP seems to think that mostly young people play games so young people will also bet on them, but young doesn't mean underaged.

Most of us knew how to play card games when we were young and we played but how many of us played for money? Not many because we had very little money when we were kids and games were meant to be fun.

If a 12 year old plays playing CS hears about esports betting he won't start to gamble all of a sudden. If he had money he could gamble buying keys and trading skins.

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This is the wrong logic (i mean OP). All these good intentions on the one hand are fair and on the other they call for what? To KYC/AML, to canceled transactions, total control and other delights of the fiat world. I believe that teenagers are a zone of responsibility for parents and not for those who develop games or cryptocurrency.

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I don't think underage players from eSports are trying to play gambling. They were just there to play online games that they like but for some players who do know what is gambling and does know how to play must be stop from playing if he's just gambling. We all know how dangerous gambling games is in the long run.

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I understand what you guys are trying to confer between the regulations on gambling sites that advertise e-sports and the discipline taught by the parents on their kids.
The hard reality is, even with the necessary discipline given by the parents, as long as the kid is exposed to technology and has access to different kinds of gaming platforms, these type of problems are often inevitable. When kids engaged into playing, they seek knowledge from the game so they sought to search it on the internet. Even if gambling sites do not have any regulation or KYC functions before betting, if the kid has access to the site then it would depend on his discretion if he wants to bet or not.

I do agree that parents should be held accountable for the actions of their kids but they also need to understand that the present age of technological advancement makes it inevitable for kids to experience these. It is kinda relatively difficult where to draw the line on regulating gambling sites and having to discipline the children.

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I think it's not just about the age but also due to the nature of esports. It's totally technology based and not everything is as visible as on other sports. You can easily fake of not looking and something or somewhere and no one can capture every players and characters. The people involved in esports are mostly expert in technology and mostly don't have a social sporting environment as other sports players does. They are not generally accompanied with other staff. But again a gambling company do profit from margin and not the win or loss. It's the gamblers who need to be aware of it.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 11, 2020, 08:08:48 PM

As a parent mate, we need to be more watchful on our kids and what I see on your insights that's the best mindset to consider. Because most people these days doesn't value this kind of parenting, they'll making their kids more liberated without knowing the bad effects on their future lives. Gambling is good when times of winning entertainment but it's a stressful thing once you're drowned in debt so it's very important that our kids will be educated with positive and bad sides of it.

The idea of young people being exposed to vices in order for the to understand better isn't something new. It's been around for ages. But gambling online is an incredible nuance. Many parents didn't even have the chance to experience it to know what it's like. And it's often hard to make the distinction between game and gambling. Oftentimes the casinos make it deliberately ambiguous. And it's also oftentimes very hard for parents to spot the difference unless they're actively involved. I think bitcoin has some legitimate market uses even for children.

But if giving bitcoin to a child is risking making them addicted to gambling then it's also a bad look for the currency itself.

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Quote from: Hippocrypto on September 11, 2020, 08:08:48 PM

Quote from: maydna on September 11, 2020, 07:31:04 PM

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As a parent mate, we need to be more watchful on our kids and what I see on your insights that's the best mindset to consider. Because most people these days doesn't value this kind of parenting, they'll making their kids more liberated without knowing the bad effects on their future lives. Gambling is good when times of winning entertainment but it's a stressful thing once you're drowned in debt so it's very important that our kids will be educated with positive and bad sides of it.

Many parents don't watch their kids, especially when they are in the public area, and they busy with their mobile phones to chat, telephone, or playing games. They think that when they are in public areas, they can let their kids play around with their friends, but that is not what their kids want.

And when their kids play with their friends, parents don't know what they played to make their kids try to know gamble with their money. Soon, if their kids are still curious about winning from the games, they will try to play other games, but with money involved. Become parents is not easy because it needs more attention from the parents themselves, and they need to responsibilities to their kids.

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This is what I thought too, kids will still learn about gambling in their life anyway. I've learn to gamble my marbles when I was young, my allowance at school too, my other toys as well, they will learn it in every aspect. So what we can really do is inform them right away about it, make them understand as soon as possible why it is prohibited. Be open to them and make them really understand it.

It ain't a talk about being poor or not, bot will learn it anyway, especially when they are playing. Gambling is all around, we may not notice but there's always a part where we gamble something when we are playing too. Parents should supervised their kids, not too strict. Just don't create a vibe or a wall with them that will make them be secretive to you.

So we have the same things when we were young because I am gambling my marbles too, using a card with money for the winner, guess what type of the next car that we've met, and else. But I stop when my father caught me gambling my marbles, and he scolds me. But then my father explains to me why I should not gambling with my marbles. Kids learned by themselves, and they have full of ideas that we never thought.

That is why parents need to watch their kids when they grow up because without giving them attention, they can become anything that we never expect. I don't like too strict in a watch or take care of them because that can make them not feel comfortable, especially when they are with their friends. So no matter if they visit online crypto gambling or fiat gambling site by coincidence, they will know that they should not try because they know the risk.

As a parent mate, we need to be more watchful on our kids and what I see on your insights that's the best mindset to consider. Because most people these days doesn't value this kind of parenting, they'll making their kids more liberated without knowing the bad effects on their future lives. Gambling is good when times of winning entertainment but it's a stressful thing once you're drowned in debt so it's very important that our kids will be educated with positive and bad sides of it.

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Quote from: GDragon on September 11, 2020, 11:56:19 AM

Quote from: maydna on September 10, 2020, 09:21:51 PM

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This is what I thought too, kids will still learn about gambling in their life anyway. I've learn to gamble my marbles when I was young, my allowance at school too, my other toys as well, they will learn it in every aspect. So what we can really do is inform them right away about it, make them understand as soon as possible why it is prohibited. Be open to them and make them really understand it.

It ain't a talk about being poor or not, bot will learn it anyway, especially when they are playing. Gambling is all around, we may not notice but there's always a part where we gamble something when we are playing too. Parents should supervised their kids, not too strict. Just don't create a vibe or a wall with them that will make them be secretive to you.

So we have the same things when we were young because I am gambling my marbles too, using a card with money for the winner, guess what type of the next car that we've met, and else. But I stop when my father caught me gambling my marbles, and he scolds me. But then my father explains to me why I should not gambling with my marbles. Kids learned by themselves, and they have full of ideas that we never thought.

That is why parents need to watch their kids when they grow up because without giving them attention, they can become anything that we never expect. I don't like too strict in a watch or take care of them because that can make them not feel comfortable, especially when they are with their friends. So no matter if they visit online crypto gambling or fiat gambling site by coincidence, they will know that they should not try because they know the risk.

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Quote from: DarkDays on September 11, 2020, 03:49:16 PM

I don't see what the problem is with eSports, they help casinos gain more customers, and potentially help new casinos open up.

For us, as players, that's a good thing. We want increased diversity which will come from increased competition.

Plus, the younger generation doesn't really follow real sports as much, which means if casinos want to stay relevant, they pretty much need to get with the programme.

Years do really pass and there would be changes when it comes to that which they would really need to consider to add up so that they would really be still be on the game.

I dont see for these youngsters nowadays doesnt involved with e-sports yet gaming industry had become big and do gradually get that recognition.Come to think that

tournaments do generate multi-million dollar prize pools which really indicates on how many do really get involved or do know about e-sports.

You are right that rising up competition will really be good for us since this will really create more options for us to choose or when it comes on selecting a wide variety of games.

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I don't see what the problem is with eSports, they help casinos gain more customers, and potentially help new casinos open up.

For us, as players, that's a good thing. We want increased diversity which will come from increased competition.

Plus, the younger generation doesn't really follow real sports as much, which means if casinos want to stay relevant, they pretty much need to get with the programme.

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Quote from: maydna on September 10, 2020, 09:21:51 PM

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Quote from: Rosilito on September 10, 2020, 11:56:04 AM

Well yeah, possibly but I don't think kids will be interested on this industry. I mean, the vast majority do not like too much work as they had to think where they would get money, learn on how would they transfer it to such platform let alone learning how to bet with crypto. It might be a threat but I don't see any plausible reason for them to go such length aside from liking the game so much. Yeah, they maybe had already crossed gambling stuff particularly in eSports already, however, I am pretty sure they would instead watch somethin' else related to a certain game they like that would entertain them rather than gettin' themselves stress out over the things about gambling; odds, etc.

I think there are still some children who like gambling even though there are not many kids who do it, only the children of the rich who might be able to gamble because only a few children get such privileges, because for the children of the rich like that money not a problem for them and make the child happy with what he is doing.

No matter if they are children or adult people, gambling will try to tempt them and invite them to play gambling at least once in their lives. But yeah, some children still playing gambling, whether their parents know or don't know, because once they learn to gamble and enjoy the games, they can make them play again in the next days. It's like an adult people playing gambling, and if they can make money from gambling, they will try to play more and more.

It is not just a rich kid, but other kids play gambling too, especially if their friend asks them to follow playing gambling. We need to concern about that, and still watch closer to what they do so that parents can explain the details to their children.

This is what I thought too, kids will still learn about gambling in their life anyway. I've learn to gamble my marbles when I was young, my allowance at school too, my other toys as well, they will learn it in every aspect. So what we can really do is inform them right away about it, make them understand as soon as possible why it is prohibited. Be open to them and make them really understand it.

It ain't a talk about being poor or not, bot will learn it anyway, especially when they are playing. Gambling is all around, we may not notice but there's always a part where we gamble something when we are playing too. Parents should supervised their kids, not too strict. Just don't create a vibe or a wall with them that will make them be secretive to you.

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Quote from: Rosilito on September 10, 2020, 11:56:04 AM

Well yeah, possibly but I don't think kids will be interested on this industry. I mean, the vast majority do not like too much work as they had to think where they would get money, learn on how would they transfer it to such platform let alone learning how to bet with crypto. It might be a threat but I don't see any plausible reason for them to go such length aside from liking the game so much. Yeah, they maybe had already crossed gambling stuff particularly in eSports already, however, I am pretty sure they would instead watch somethin' else related to a certain game they like that would entertain them rather than gettin' themselves stress out over the things about gambling; odds, etc.

I think there are still some children who like gambling even though there are not many kids who do it, only the children of the rich who might be able to gamble because only a few children get such privileges, because for the children of the rich like that money not a problem for them and make the child happy with what he is doing.

No matter if they are children or adult people, gambling will try to tempt them and invite them to play gambling at least once in their lives. But yeah, some children still playing gambling, whether their parents know or don't know, because once they learn to gamble and enjoy the games, they can make them play again in the next days. It's like an adult people playing gambling, and if they can make money from gambling, they will try to play more and more.

It is not just a rich kid, but other kids play gambling too, especially if their friend asks them to follow playing gambling. We need to concern about that, and still watch closer to what they do so that parents can explain the details to their children.

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Quote from: Rosilito on September 10, 2020, 11:56:04 AM

Well yeah, possibly but I don't think kids will be interested on this industry. I mean, the vast majority do not like too much work as they had to think where they would get money, learn on how would they transfer it to such platform let alone learning how to bet with crypto. It might be a threat but I don't see any plausible reason for them to go such length aside from liking the game so much. Yeah, they maybe had already crossed gambling stuff particularly in eSports already, however, I am pretty sure they would instead watch somethin' else related to a certain game they like that would entertain them rather than gettin' themselves stress out over the things about gambling; odds, etc.

I think there are still some children who like gambling even though there are not many kids who do it, only the children of the rich who might be able to gamble because only a few children get such privileges, because for the children of the rich like that money not a problem for them and make the child happy with what he is doing.

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