Topic: Crypto-Games.net - scam! - page 2. (Read 5377 times)

Could be a scam site! I'm trying to withdraw 3500 dogecoins(well above the required minimum) and I just keep getting a message, saying "failed to send
confirmation email" - thought I'd report this!

It's spelled "Lutpin". Note it down.

"too" implies anyone else got, which didn't happen.
Neither were you, I suspect.

The slots are provably fair.

Playmoney can be exchanged using the built-in exchange feature and does have real value, especially in-house.

You can't prove that, can you? Oh right, nobody can, because it does not happen.
There's a new seed for every game, but as you are shown the hash of that seed before every bet and can change your client seed, things are provably fair.

That's why CGs system was verified by several independent parties for review.

Fun fact: CG does not have any employees.

There's been 13 slot jackpots (5 reel matches) this month, so clearly, it's impossible (https://www.crypto-games.net/bet/slot/12002582).

In case of a double win, the higher reward is paid. That is calculated into the house edge and publicly communicated. Not a dirty little trick.

I'm waiting.

Slots show you near-misses to get you hooked for visual stimulation. The 5 reel match is typically rare so on the 4 reel matches, they try to get you to go for the jackpot by making you think you just barely missed the big win.

THAT is the real manipulation of slots.


Provably fair software =/= hardware

manipulation on slots can be proven. the method is simple, they've scripted it so that if 4 reels match the 5th will advance one ahead making a 5 reel match impossible (for instance you get 4 playmoneys and one orange etc every time) also they did another little dirty trick, say you get 4 oranges and a litecoin on a 10 bet, you only get paid 100 when you should get 100 for the 4 oranges and 11 for the litecoin for a total of 111. they're using a very old trick that's been used alot on hardware slot machines to make a 5 reel win impossible.

The odds of that seem slim. You know that in slots, all the colors and effects are just that, right?

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I'm still telling you, learn how provably fair works. Here, I will demonstrate.

Suppose we are playing slots with just two boxes. Hear me out here.

Behind the scenes, the result for each box is based on a random number generation from 0 to 99.

If you roll 0-49, it results in an empty box. If you roll 50-99, it results in a cherry.

Thus, for you to have two cherries, you need both boxes to have a roll >=50

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How provably fair works is that the number they use in their algorithm is hashed and sent to you. Let's say that the number I use is 7056 and all I do is take the first two and last two numbers as the roll result for the boxes. This means that if for example I used SHA-256 as a hash and sent to you the server hash, which would be fbf0c029676f97872638b20cc6933c5c3150a2f4270d5fdc5f72af5dce0405c2, you could later receive the actual server seed which is 7056 and plug it into the SHA-256 algorithm to find that 7056 hashes into the hash that was given.

This proves that the numbers were predesignated and the result was decided before your actions.

Now if you're thinking, "why does this even matter," then you need to realize that you have a choice in actions that can affect how much you win.

If you change how much you bet - whether you bet on winning rolls or not - while all rolls are predetermined, you can turn a profit despite the house edge. And just to clarify, predetermined rolls =/= not random because most algorithms require you to input a client seed in which you can designate. This way it's actually impossible for them to cheat. (I'm pretty sure CG has client seeds in slots)

How many 5 reel wins did you have in slots? I'm willing to bet zero, no one you know had a 5 reel win, because it doesn't happen to non employees.

I was playing poker the other day, I had a royal flush in spades. I got beat by a full house. not possible in a real poker game, so yes, there is manipulation going on on the backend.

When you can use the faucet an unlimited amount of times, yes it is. By just constantly playing for the max payout on dice (lowest edge, by the way) you can nab the reward easily. I don't think you really see the problem I'm highlighting.


I'm not too experienced in what crypto-games does, but changing the seed every spin is fine. It's also fine to have one seed but incrementing the nonces by n every spin. Either way, you can verify it afterwards to see that indeed, the hash corresponds to the real server seed.


Seems to be like you don't understand how provably fair works. If you knew how it worked then you would realize that in fact you were just unlucky. And scammers can claim to be provably fair but if they don't have proper verification then you know they're lying. CG is not.

5 million playmoney for 0.0009 btc is not a high value. as for provably fair? you guys change the seed when someone hits spin. provably fair is more than 22 5 reel wins since game launch....if it was like 1500 5 reel wins since game launch I might believe the provably fair BS. even bitcoin cloud scammers claim to be provably fair. claiming to be provably fair while not having fair and balanced gameplay is meaningless. also calling your victims "Just unlucky" is a cheap way to distance yourself from your scam.

Provably fair. Maybe if you bothered to check that, you would understand you're just unlucky.
Also, slots has a huge house edge.

And betting big or small has literally no effect on how you do luck-wise. All that matters is the house edge. Whether you do 100 bets at 50 or 1 bet at 5000, you have the same ev. Now obviously, one of those options would have a higher degree of fluctuation due to variance.


Playmoney has value in Crypto-games and can be exchanged for bitcoins in a high enough value. Not setting a timer on that would just lead to people running the site dry. And are you really complaining about a faucet?

I have no idea who Lupton is, but I can say I too got screwed over by crypto-games.net. 7 spins out of 10, you get nothing, 2 spins out of 10 you might get one coin, the third spin you might get 2, maybe 3 reels. I've never hit more than 4 reels and only on low bets. they won't let you win big (all 5 reels) and they won't let you high roll, they'll run your money out and force you to bet 50 or smaller (forcing you to take a smaller payout). that's a typical casino scam. the slots are rigged to high hell. and for the love of christ do you really need a fucking timer on the playmoney faucet? Jesus man. you shouldn't have to wait 3 minutes to withdraw from the playmoney faucet, that's their in house currency and has no real value even in house. 

This is the conventional logic and it is correct. However, you need to think way outside of the box. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has devised a winning method by thinking outside the box and understanding probabilities.  And, anyone like me who is smart or lucky enough to create a +ev method isn't going to be sharing it in some crappy ebook. Because if everybody did it, there would be no game.  I can double my account every day in a few hours.  I spent thousands of hours to get here, and a lot of rage and frustration along the way. Anyway, the grey hairs were worth it. To anyone who is extremely persistent and able to use that streak calculator tool and think outside the box, you may be able to find an advantage..

Variance is the only way that people will win.

I stand by this fact: as soon as you place a bet with a house edge, you're already losing. Suppose there is a 1% house edge and your odds are 50-50 with a winning payout of 1.98x your bet. Regardless of whether you win or not, half of the time you are returned 0 and half of the time you are returned 1.98. This means that on average you lose 1% of your wager.

This can be turned into another kind of game which is statistically identical to this type of wager but variance is no part of it:

For every 1 you wager, I will return to you 0.99

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In typical gambling, there is variance, but don't fool yourself into thinking you can win in the long run - or at all. As soon as you wager, you're already losing.

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This is not to say that you can't win when you gamble - of course you may hit lucky streaks - but overall you will find that there will be a slow decline and that the more you play, the more you lose.

Wager your bankroll, you'll have a return of 0.99 (times your bankroll).
Wager that, and you'll have a total of 0.9801.
Continue, and your balance will approach 0.

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All that is significant are the games and house edge differences.

Bitcoin is a scam ~ just sell it all for US dollars and stop gambling.

I meant feedback between the 2 sites as a player, but good to know that info, I don't plan to be an affiliate or share my methods..

My advice to people, don't listen to the naysayers that its impossible to beat the odds, etc.  Play around with the streak calculator tool I posted, split your bankroll up, expect some variance, you'd be surprised what can result from it 

I honestly don't even play at either very often so I'd consider myself impartial. I like both Lutpin and Baryom as people so that too is balanced.

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If you are looking to earn the most out of the site (i.e. playing with the best odds) then you would want to choose Crypto-games's dice game considering they have a 0.8% house edge as opposed to Bitsler's 1% house edge.

Now, of course, both Bitsler and Crypto-games alike offer multiple games apart from basic dice, but overall Crypto-games generally offers a lower house edge than the Bitsler games. Purely based on this merit, I prefer Crypto-games since it offers Blackjack (my favorite game) though it is at a somewhat high edge with its settings. However, if you are seeking to gain profit through affiliates, then Bitsler (as of now) is superior given that they offer 50% of the house edge for each wager whereas Crypto-games offers 25% of the house edge for each wager.

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There's probably more to say but both are good for their own reasons.

Ok, I understand. I can accept that variance happening in the once in a blue moon scenario, I still have a bad feeling about your site after all my experiences which I'm not going to detail here,  I'll stick with Bitsler.

I'm curious if other people have feedback about Crypto-games vs Bitsler...


PS,  wealth without friends is really empty,  find some communities in the "real world" with people interested in the same stuff..

I don't have any friends, thanks for pointing out that sore spot.
Also, I'm too poor to pay off people, do you know how much it would cost to bribe actmyname? Insane (donations accepted to the address in my profile).

The odds are NEVER 0%. Never.
Besides that, OP is a permanently banned extortionist and they never were abled to provide any proof they actually have lost 10 times in a row, so...
But sure, let's all trust the liar

Wow, good for you to call people idiots. You must be very intelligent lol.  Here you can see using this streak calculator tool:
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/tools/streak-calculator/



THE ODDS AFTER 10 MILLION BETS OF LOSING 10X IN A ROW WITH 3% LOSS PROBABILITY ARE 0.000%

It's obvious that there is a possibility to lose at some point well after 10 million, but I highly doubt the person who started this thread made that many bets..

ps, I won't be surprised to see Lutpin bringing in all his friends to dispute this,  paying people off, etc.


EDIT FOR ACTMYNAME:  ok, I see your logic now, it is possible, even though its ridiculously unlikely... 

That's what we call variance.
-> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variance
Or if you need a more beginner friendly text
-> https://www.askgamblers.com/understanding-variance-in-casino-games-n5047