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Quote from: ven7net on July 13, 2021, 10:34:21 AM

I don't consider myself a cryptocurrency expert, but I also noticed that there is some manipulation of cryptocurrency prices going on. In my opinion, this can happen for several reasons, for example, in order to raise the price of BTC even higher. We know that the price of cryptocurrencies cannot constantly grow, and in order to promote growth, you need to periodically lower the price, for example, for BTC, and thereby, as it were, showing that the price is lower than it was before, but this will soon change and the price will go even higher. This scheme is already working and successful, and I believe that it was thanks to it that BTC was able to reach the price of $ 60,000 and this is not the limit.

Unfortunately that is true in everything at life. I have seen even the food become that way, I have seen cities become that way, I have seen products be that way, it is seriously like that for most things in life. For example once upon a time in history I owned a shop, it wasn't really a big thing, but 20% of the products I sold were the 80% of my income and kept getting sold, and then 80% of the other products were the 20% of the income, it was a few 3-5% different but close to that. Life has so many 80-20 rule that you wouldn't believe it.

At the end of the day just focus on what you can do with this information and in your regular life you will pick up these things and realize them early on and end up making profit that way. I personally try to see that in everything, in trading as well and in investing mainly and it helped me a lot, that is why 80% of my money is in 20% of my portfolio whereas 20% of my money is in 20% of my portfolio.

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I don't consider myself a cryptocurrency expert, but I also noticed that there is some manipulation of cryptocurrency prices going on. In my opinion, this can happen for several reasons, for example, in order to raise the price of BTC even higher. We know that the price of cryptocurrencies cannot constantly grow, and in order to promote growth, you need to periodically lower the price, for example, for BTC, and thereby, as it were, showing that the price is lower than it was before, but this will soon change and the price will go even higher. This scheme is already working and successful, and I believe that it was thanks to it that BTC was able to reach the price of $ 60,000 and this is not the limit.

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Quote from: Kimberl2020 on July 08, 2021, 03:17:57 AM

Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on June 21, 2021, 10:13:50 AM

Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.

This reminds me of an old man named Pareto who accidentally discovered a miraculous phenomenon: 80% of social wealth is owned by 20% of people, while the remaining 80% only owns 20% of wealth. This is the famous "Pareto Law", also known as the " the 80-20 rule".
In the crypto world, only a few people are the ultimate winners. Cool

The surprising thing about the Pareto rule is that it applies to everything, not only is present in the distribution of wealth, scientists discovered that it is also present in the universe and it seems to be almost like a natural law, which is why people need to be realistic when they trade, the chances they will win are small and if they do not make any effort like studying the markets for a few months then their chances to earn money while they trade is zero, which means they will be subject to the manipulators that can move this market as they want.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 08, 2021, 06:56:48 AM

Quote from: Gcrypto786 on June 21, 2021, 02:49:39 AM

Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Its not easy as you think since the total marketcap of bitcoin even crossed 1 Trillion if I am not wrong so to manipulate the price of bitcoin the user who wants to manipulate should sell or buy few thousands of Bitcoin to create the price change.

The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.

Manipulation would really be there neither you do engage with cryptocurrency market or with stocks or forex markets which turns out to be a casual thing to happen since there would be people/institutions who would be always on the top of the game or always ahead due to financial capacity.

It might not be proven out specially on a decentralized market but its quite evident and bit obvious anytime there would be some pump and dump in price and we cant determine on whats the actual
reason on the said price movement.

The only thing we can do is to speculate and presume out things in the end but basing on the extent of possible price manipulation then it is something not an easy thing
since Bitcoin market is already getting huge.

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Quote from: jrrsparkles on July 08, 2021, 06:56:48 AM

The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.

And this is a normal event that we able to see in the market. Whether we like it or not, that will remain on the market and just for us who will accept the way it is.
But on the other side, we suffer losses, not because of the said manipulation and whales, it gonna be our fault instead. If we are keen enough to listen and carefully analyze the market, we can still be at loss but not much. Buy low and sell high, if we can make this a habit, I don't think that we gonna lose.

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Quote from: Gcrypto786 on June 21, 2021, 02:49:39 AM

Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Its not easy as you think since the total marketcap of bitcoin even crossed 1 Trillion if I am not wrong so to manipulate the price of bitcoin the user who wants to manipulate should sell or buy few thousands of Bitcoin to create the price change.

The price manipulation is not only exist in cryptocurrencies, even in stocks the company itself boost their stock values with fake expenses and profit making records to create hype and sell them for profits.

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Quote from: SquirrelJulietGarden on June 21, 2021, 10:13:50 AM

Market manipulation is repeated with emotion, psychology and the crowd repeat what they do many times. 90% of people in the crowd don't change and they are target of influencers and manipulators.

This reminds me of an old man named Pareto who accidentally discovered a miraculous phenomenon: 80% of social wealth is owned by 20% of people, while the remaining 80% only owns 20% of wealth. This is the famous "Pareto Law", also known as the " the 80-20 rule".
In the crypto world, only a few people are the ultimate winners. Cool

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Although the entry time is not long, according to my opinion during this period, under a series of factors between Musk and China, there will be panic selling in the market. This is human nature, subconsciously minimize their losses. This was also what I thought in my mind at the beginning, which eventually led to a big drop. This should not be true. Those who truly possess wealth will hold it for a long time, unshakable.

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Quote from: Silberman on July 07, 2021, 12:17:15 PM

Quote from: Xhong54 on July 06, 2021, 03:29:23 PM

Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate

You are too naive, exchanges can collude and manipulate the price, whales can manipulate the price after all they do not even need fiat to crash the market since they can do it with bitcoin, bitcoin they got for an incredibly cheap price, institutional investors can do it, even retail investors can do it if they collude as we have seen in the stock market, so the price can be manipulated with an orchestrated campaign of powerful individuals whether you like it or not.

Really proves out that this man hadnt any idea on what he's been talking and when it comes to manipulation then it is somewhat already a typical thing not only on crypto market but on traditional markets
that we know. There would always be a tendency because there would be always those people or institutions who do likes to stay on the top and it might not really be that too evident or obvious
but you know its there. The way on how market reacts on news then it is something a good point on where you can presume that manipulation could really happen in these times.
Solution? you should know on how to ride with the waves.

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Quote from: Gcrypto786 on June 21, 2021, 02:49:39 AM

Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

Actually it happened repeatedly to get some investment. After reaching all time high, many new traders will get into the trading.After some huge investment, the will reduced 20 percentage from all time high.By believe of again it happens, we keep on investing our money.This is to get huge profit at the pump.

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Quote from: Xhong54 on July 06, 2021, 03:29:23 PM

Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate

You are too naive, exchanges can collude and manipulate the price, whales can manipulate the price after all they do not even need fiat to crash the market since they can do it with bitcoin, bitcoin they got for an incredibly cheap price, institutional investors can do it, even retail investors can do it if they collude as we have seen in the stock market, so the price can be manipulated with an orchestrated campaign of powerful individuals whether you like it or not.

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 02, 2021, 10:55:44 AM

We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.

Exactly, glad that someone knows how to cope positively to the manipulation of the whales and how to profit, a lot of the people here have the same negative sentiment towards whales manipulation when they can make a money out of it if they know what they are doing.

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Quote from: awik p on July 06, 2021, 11:28:45 PM

right, with this manipulation, many people will benefit, although there are also many people who cry, but that is the world of trading. when a bullrun occurs, there will be many new investors who are interested, on the other hand the old investors partially benefit from the incident and they make big profits. so I think this is what becomes interesting in the crypto world

As I said before above,,, it is not manipulation from whales as we think they are, but from exchanges mainly who have large amounts of crypto thanks to people who deposit there and leave it there. Name that is us and speculators who just deposit and leave crypto in exchange wallets.

So if they cry,,, they should realize they are partly to blame for making this manipulation possible:)

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 02, 2021, 10:55:44 AM

We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.

Just to ride and let them hype the market. If they can make a profit thru manipulation, we are also benefiting from them.
If there is no such manipulation that had taken place made by whales, I don't know if there is a bull market, that might be a straight direction.

I think we are too thankful, whales are helping us to make a good profit and also encouraging people to come and join the community as they have the chance to make some profit as well like what happens to early investors. They might look bad to others but for me, they are a helping tool.

right, with this manipulation, many people will benefit, although there are also many people who cry, but that is the world of trading. when a bullrun occurs, there will be many new investors who are interested, on the other hand the old investors partially benefit from the incident and they make big profits. so I think this is what becomes interesting in the crypto world

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Quote from: AakZaki on July 02, 2021, 10:55:44 AM

We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.

Just to ride and let them hype the market. If they can make a profit thru manipulation, we are also benefiting from them.
If there is no such manipulation that had taken place made by whales, I don't know if there is a bull market, that might be a straight direction.

I think we are too thankful, whales are helping us to make a good profit and also encouraging people to come and join the community as they have the chance to make some profit as well like what happens to early investors. They might look bad to others but for me, they are a helping tool.

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Market manipulation is a almost a dream. If you know the amount of money we are talking about in crypto,then you disregard the idea immediately. Its practically impossible to manipulate

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Up and down its part of business , same in trading pump and dump is a part of trading, but as you are telling about bitcoin, this time its all due to big hands and big whales , they are manipulating market for their own profit and loss , they dump market to entre in dip and then pump to take profit and exit and also depends on market sentiment like news, when good news come market pump and when bad news come market dump , last time market dump due to cirona situation and this time due to big hands like elon musk, whic has great role in the current dump and also some china fud come which effect bitcoin and hence a big dump happen.

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Quote from: wahyu wida on July 02, 2021, 08:57:48 AM

Quote from: Mauser on July 01, 2021, 02:46:55 PM

Quote from: Gcrypto786 on June 21, 2021, 02:49:39 AM

Greeting BT Users,

As I am involved in the crypto world for the past 3-5 years and closely watching BTC when its price was around $400 - $700. When the BTC first pumped in 2017/2018 than it creates chaos in the whole world and more and more users are attracted because of the profit they see, but when the price suddenly down and BTC dumped to $5000 from $20k then a lot of new as well as experience users lost their money and also trust from Cryptocurrency.

Recently BTC again pumped and the price reached $60k and was predicted to touch the target of $100k but again the BTC price dumped around $35k - $38k. From all this pump and dumped I did not yet UNDERSTAND that why and how this happens and the difference is huge. BTC is considered the king of the crypto world and it causes the price Pump and Dumped of all the coins. Also Crypto market is untrustable as any person having a status/huge bank balance can easily manipulate the market as Elon Musk did.

Any expert can explain the reason behind those huge pump and dumped of BTC?

I am not an expert, like you I have been involved with Bitcoins for a few years now and this my second pump and dump cycle I lived through. What I noticed with Bitcoins and other Alt coins is that the market is very cyclical. It seems a bit like the prices in the stock market, just more extreme. The volatility in crypto currencies is higher than in stocks, that is also why we can make profits of a few hundred percent, whereas with stocks we are happy if we make 10-20%. As for manipulation, I don't think that its true for most of the investors.

manipulation as I see it is only temporary, so we should be able to make good use of it. I think if we have a lot of capital and a lot of followers then we will be able to manipulate it or pump it. and it is very possible here to profit hundreds of percent in a short time is different from stocks, but we need to remember that the risk is also greater in cryptocurrencies

Even is it is only temporary it does not change the fact that it can have lasting effects on the market, the whales may exercise their manipulation for only a day and not only they can make the market to go down this is more than enough to keep it there for a long time, this in my opinion is exactly what we are seeing now as the whales are getting cheap coins and the only thing they need to do for the price to not go up is to buy those coins slowly, and this does not take into account all the people that lost all their money due to the extreme movement we saw in the market.

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We should also be able to take advantage of opportunities when Whales start playing the market. Don't fight them, follow them then we will be safe. Going against the tide when the whales manipulate the market will only result in losses. They hold the market and are able to control it.

The manipulation that whales do is not just manipulation, but they can do manipulation with the right time and conditions.

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Quote from: wahyu wida on July 02, 2021, 08:57:48 AM

manipulation as I see it is only temporary, so we should be able to make good use of it. I think if we have a lot of capital and a lot of followers then we will be able to manipulate it or pump it. and it is very possible here to profit hundreds of percent in a short time is different from stocks, but we need to remember that the risk is also greater in cryptocurrencies

That is wrong because manipulation is sustaining and has been happening already since before and even in the stock market, it has existed before you know it.
Whether we like it or not, whales and those who are capable of doing this will continue as their game plan. Many had to look at this as a bad thing but we can't deny also that we are sometimes taking this as an opportunity to make some money.

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