Had to point this out:
"My name is Curtis Green. I am in charge of getting the web site up and going. If you call in and talk to sales, there is a good chance that you have spoken to myself or my wife....
...The Famiy literacy Centers..."
Topic: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action - page 502. (Read 1007171 times)
November 17, 2015, 07:32:31 PM
November 17, 2015, 06:37:02 PM
How about the withholding of funds of clients who don't ever deal in fiat?
That was required by law no way around verification, AML and KYC. Polo will have to do it as well they just don't do FIAT so they are in a bit better shape. Really only BTC-e can avoid it for now.
I'm also will to venture the margin trading is going to cause them problems with the CFTC.
The so called "verification" is another excuse to steal your money (others like poloniex isn't "cracking" down).
That was required by law no way around verification, AML and KYC. Polo will have to do it as well they just don't do FIAT so they are in a bit better shape. Really only BTC-e can avoid it for now.
I'm also will to venture the margin trading is going to cause them problems with the CFTC.
Big Vern's not takin' any chances, he not wanting to ever be pulled over by an officer driving a pastel-colored Fiat to question his massive purchase of K-Y Cream while on holiday in route to Josh Garza's home so to play swords with his homey. HAHAHA
November 17, 2015, 05:56:23 PM
How about the withholding of funds of clients who don't ever deal in fiat?
That was required by law no way around verification, AML and KYC. Polo will have to do it as well they just don't do FIAT so they are in a bit better shape. Really only BTC-e can avoid it for now.
I'm also will to venture the margin trading is going to cause them problems with the CFTC.
The so called "verification" is another excuse to steal your money (others like poloniex isn't "cracking" down).
That was required by law no way around verification, AML and KYC. Polo will have to do it as well they just don't do FIAT so they are in a bit better shape. Really only BTC-e can avoid it for now.
I'm also will to venture the margin trading is going to cause them problems with the CFTC.
November 17, 2015, 02:33:00 PM
Oh the infamous "let's catch the XPY dumpers" -> "oops we may have caught ourselves" complaint.
Probably worthless albeit amusing. That was back when some people still thought that XPY is being "destroyed" by evil market manipulators ("Bitcoiners" LOL) and not by Garza and his clan. Anything built on that premise is going to be fundamentally flawed.
But it's nice to see that JShock and BigVern helped Garza out... such good friends.
Probably worthless albeit amusing. That was back when some people still thought that XPY is being "destroyed" by evil market manipulators ("Bitcoiners" LOL) and not by Garza and his clan. Anything built on that premise is going to be fundamentally flawed.
But it's nice to see that JShock and BigVern helped Garza out... such good friends.
[...]
"Hush, Such!"
Gotta love Josh Garza for the way he foreplayingly caresses his chin then gives his left indexie a passionate kiss lasting two Mississippis.
November 17, 2015, 01:21:26 PM
Oh the infamous "let's catch the XPY dumpers" -> "oops we may have caught ourselves" complaint.
Probably worthless albeit amusing. That was back when some people still thought that XPY is being "destroyed" by evil market manipulators ("Bitcoiners" LOL) and not by Garza and his clan. Anything built on that premise is going to be fundamentally flawed.
But it's nice to see that JShock and BigVern helped Garza out... such good friends.
Probably worthless albeit amusing. That was back when some people still thought that XPY is being "destroyed" by evil market manipulators ("Bitcoiners" LOL) and not by Garza and his clan. Anything built on that premise is going to be fundamentally flawed.
But it's nice to see that JShock and BigVern helped Garza out... such good friends.
[...]
November 17, 2015, 01:01:32 PM
November 17, 2015, 12:42:54 PM
The so called "verification" is another excuse to steal your money (others like poloniex isn't "cracking" down).
That was required by law no way around verification, AML and KYC. Polo will have to do it as well they just don't do FIAT so they are in a bit better shape. Really only BTC-e can avoid it for now.
I'm also will to venture the margin trading is going to cause them problems with the CFTC.
November 17, 2015, 03:29:10 AM
November 17, 2015, 03:07:19 AM
I just knew that if I followed down the Paul Vernon domain name rabbit hole far enough that I'd emerge from somebody's anus: http://senatormindcontrol.com/ (safe for work, mostly) Now, that would be a pool worth joinin' (if you're into such things).
Don't be surprised you get a job offer from the US Fed's i bet they are investigating Cryptsy (and others)
i have loooooong said this shit is being watched heavily by US Fed's and i stand by it !
Proof has been trickling out gradually all over crypto..
for example i recently seen a story where the guys in the Mt. Gox investigation from DEA were arrested themselves
for stealing 800k in funds worth of Bitcoin
The best part was the News story breakdown of all the various antics the DEA guys were up to..
They were actively involved in everything everywhere.
There -is- cops reading this !
I have brought this up 100 times since i started and everyone laughed and said "conspiracy nut"
nope..
November 17, 2015, 02:54:04 AM
I just knew that if I followed down the Paul Vernon domain name rabbit hole far enough that I'd emerge from somebody's anus: http://senatormindcontrol.com/ (safe for work, mostly) Now, that would be a pool worth joinin' (if you're into such things).
November 17, 2015, 02:22:21 AM
Paul Vernon: If one FeatherCoin pool is good, than two pools is more betterer. Ditto, for two Litecoin pools. Me so savvy! HAHAHA
Bruno: If one Penny Auction site by Paul Vernon is good, than two sites running at the same time is more betterer. HAHAHA
http://web.archive.org/web/20100712155034/http://www.bidzuki.com/
http://domainbigdata.com/bidzuki.com
Bruno: If one Penny Auction site by Paul Vernon is good, than two sites running at the same time is more betterer. HAHAHA
http://web.archive.org/web/20100712155034/http://www.bidzuki.com/
http://domainbigdata.com/bidzuki.com
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Domain bidzuki.com
Words in domainname bidzuki
Date creation 2010-06-15
Web age 5 years and 5 months
Registrant
Name Paul Vernon is associated with 72 domains
Organization Project Investors Inc is associated with 23 domains
Email [email protected] is associated with 24 domains
Address 160 CONGRESS PARK DR map
City DELRAY BEACH
State FL
Country US United States
Phone +1.8889639935
Words in domainname bidzuki
Date creation 2010-06-15
Web age 5 years and 5 months
Registrant
Name Paul Vernon is associated with 72 domains
Organization Project Investors Inc is associated with 23 domains
Email [email protected] is associated with 24 domains
Address 160 CONGRESS PARK DR map
City DELRAY BEACH
State FL
Country US United States
Phone +1.8889639935
November 17, 2015, 02:02:05 AM
Defaced is a really cool guy, and as far as I have known him he has been honest. He is one of the more trustworthy developers in the alt coin world and does a lot to help the crypto cause.
yes by pumping out shitcoin after shitcoin, including the latest premine garabage
Hio kelsey. xD
That might explain why he likes wolf0 and his "optimized" mining software/kernels.
HAHA (puff puff) HA
Btw.. were you around that day when TomSelleck'sStache started freaking out about his hashpower exploit and/or scrypt asic kernel ?
nope missed that one ?
Ya i recall that name on chat for sure.. my mom always loved Tom (on TV) she thinks he is a hunk LOL
And welcome to the party kelsey i am sure there is much you could contribute.. nice to see you here !
As ALWAYS kelsey says what i am thinking to a 'T'
Cryptsy 2.0 or Poloniex 2.0 etc etc.. agreed ..not needed (your sentiment is on the money 100%)
edit:
i have expected some more older users to chime in eventually too..
iGotSpots has info and he should come in and speak with us all too
there is a bunch of guys who have LOTS of info and *could speak up !
November 17, 2015, 01:58:08 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdOEgAG8PLU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vynm0xbCak
In both videos above Paul Vernon goes on record in stating that he briefly mined bitcoins in 2011, got out of it, then returned in 2013, discovered Litecoin, mined it, built a pool for it among other pools, then started Cryptsy on May 20, 2013, via a domain registered in February 2012.
Yet...
http://web.archive.org/web/20130412003923/http://litebonk.com/about
"I see things that aren't real. Is there really no cure for the Leroy Fodor Virus that I have?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Vynm0xbCak
In both videos above Paul Vernon goes on record in stating that he briefly mined bitcoins in 2011, got out of it, then returned in 2013, discovered Litecoin, mined it, built a pool for it among other pools, then started Cryptsy on May 20, 2013, via a domain registered in February 2012.
Yet...
http://web.archive.org/web/20130412003923/http://litebonk.com/about
Quote
I've been mining bitcoins for a couple years now and have decided to setup my own pool for litecoints. If you guys want to pool with me, then you are welcome to. I have set the fee to 0% for now in hopes that some of you set your donation amount higher than 0%.
"I see things that aren't real. Is there really no cure for the Leroy Fodor Virus that I have?"
November 17, 2015, 01:57:14 AM
Defaced is a really cool guy, and as far as I have known him he has been honest. He is one of the more trustworthy developers in the alt coin world and does a lot to help the crypto cause.
yes by pumping out shitcoin after shitcoin, including the latest premine garabage
Hio kelsey. xD
That might explain why he likes wolf0 and his "optimized" mining software/kernels.
HAHA (puff puff) HA
Btw.. were you around that day when TomSelleck'sStache started freaking out about his hashpower exploit and/or scrypt asic kernel ?
nope missed that one ?
The last I ever heard of/from him, via the cryptsy trollbox, he was doing a "play by play" while trying to get his code to work. He went silent after a minute or two of EUREKA!!s.
November 17, 2015, 01:38:03 AM
I heart Matt Carson!
Still waiting on my R17 refund. Three PMs to bobsag and at least two forum posts on the relevant thread. Have sent DZ and bobsag one last PM before I'm calling this coop a scam.
The co-op was a scam from the get-go, of which I've shown on a myriad of threads, with ~300 posts on Black Arrow that were deleted, including the following:
Well, I cancelled and got a full refund (minus 20 dollars) from Minersource, was pretty quick and painless.
Lucky for you..........
I've been dealing with Matt @ Minersource for 2.5 weeks...
Now that my order has been canceled. Still no refund yet.
At one point, I got an email that wire is on my way (which I never received).
It was $49 off what I paid for my order.
This is exactly what I'm concerned about, cancelling but ending up with both no order spot and no money back.
bobsag3 / Matt
Please refund my money!
I just sent you another email!
Still no words/replies from Matt yet on the status of my refund.
I'm going to PM him on this forum just to make sure...........
He'll just reply with "No way, Jose!" then quote BA's stance on refunds. Remember, Matty Boy is just a vetted reseller. Correction! The first ever double-vetted Bitcoiner that was BA's first vetted reseller.
Any questions?
Q1: Yes, I have one. Who vetted him?
A1: Only John K., who's no longer around, and some new dude from Hawaii, the same state that John K. is from.
Q2: And this makes Matt viable?
A1: That and this:
Hookah. Check! Skype contacts. Check! Matt's first and second warehouse in Missouri being the same warehouse. Check!
Let's revisit Black Arrow's first trustworthy reseller, shall we?
From the desk of Bobsag3, a.k.a. Matt Carson, Black Arrow's first and #1 reseller for their miners.
I never ended up moving to another warehouse in Rolla, just the one. We went right from small warehouse in rolla > denver warehouse in one move, early Jan.
We paid for every month, and if your in contact with who you should be to verify that kind of info, they will verify it. So yes, your blowing smoke up peoples asses.
And with that im done on the subject. I think people have seen im more than up front compared to most here- but lets stay on topic about BA, or about actual minersource orders.
Timeline of Matt Carson's datacenter locations. Originally posted in Black Arrow's self-moderated thread, but quickly deleted for being...wait for it..off-topic (and that I was trolling, so they claim). Black Arrow has proof that Matt Carson can NOT be trusted, but continue to use him as their official reseller in the US. If I were to use Tom Williams, of mybitcoin.com, as my official reseller for some product, stating that people change, would I be able to sell many product, Alex Sovu, of cardreaderfactory.com? Me, the asshole, no think so, yet...
BUILDING #1: Purchased the building, awaiting infrastructure.
Building was purchased today!
All the wiring and infrastructure equipment arrives tomorrow-Wednesday. Over 400lb. Poor UPS man
All the wiring and infrastructure equipment arrives tomorrow-Wednesday. Over 400lb. Poor UPS man
Thanks- Ill be moving to a custom made facility here in under 3 weeks.
BUILDING #2: Moving to a better facility here (still in Missouri) located 90 miles away.
Major Update!
We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.
We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.
Major Update!
We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.
We will be moving to a much large, much better facility here by the end of the month. There may be a short down time (its only a 90mi drive) while being setup at the new facility, but we will not be turning anything off right up to the last minute.
Building acquired
I cant answer on the software but I can on the shipping. Looks like the boards should be done here within 48 hours, and then will be dispatched after a small amount of testing to AUS, and me in the US. At least from me, all boards will then be tested again (Not sure how long... suggestions?) and then immediatly shipped out same day via UPS Next Day/2nd Day air [depending on location]. As soon as we know the boards are done, we can give concrete delivery.
I'd sample test say 1/10th of the boards for a few hours on testnet. That'd be my recommendation
Yeah I can do that. *might* be able to live stream, or atleast upload a ton of pictures.
I will be shipping from MO. Middle of the country, and if your anywhere close to me Im ok with local pickup
. And I just want to say guys - Barn has been working very hard behind the screens to bring this all together... this stuff is immensely complex.
Here we are, on November 18th, and Matt still has his datacenter in Missouri at the second facility:
This is why I went from garage > warehouse > bigger warehouse. Heat is nuts.
Shenzhen, China 11/26/2013 8:05 P.M. Departure Scan
Yea, but do the thumbs have any tracking info? When you get the board delivery after a quick run though where are they coming from for you. I seem to expect California.
I will be shipping out from Central MO.
Does anyone have any details regarding power consumption. The genesis block calculator says expected power usage per unit to be 2100 watts. I am afraid for me that's not going to work. To be honest I was expecting something that would work on a residential 120v circuit. They also do not offer any hosting yet unfortunately.
I got ya covered But yeah that is kind of silly. Im glad when I put my new facility together I decided to say fuck it and got all 240v
November 26th, edited on the 28th, Matt Carson is still in Missouri at the second facility: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.3723600
No problem. Im having a 400A 240V pannel installed just for the 2kw+ miners that seem to be coming out.
On December 12, 2013, fresh back from China, Matt Carson posted the following... BTW, still located in Missiouri:
This makes no sense financially and if it's going to be hosted in a data center it should be using specialized GPU mining racks that can run more GPUs per motherboard/CPU. You really need open racks and to use PCI-E riser ribbons if you want to build a GPU mining rig, using a desktop computer case makes no sense especially because heat is a huge issue with scrypt mining. Also to be honest, scrypt mining is VERY finicky compared to SHA256 mining, you're talking about constant lockups and crashes if heat isn't perfectly controlled. The amount of time that's going to go into keeping everything running is going to be much higher than with bitcoins and given how the Bitfury towers already caused a ton of problems I'm not sure the coop has enough manpower to keep racks of scrypt miners up and running.
The new facility comes with me also having hired 6 more people to help out. I am currently training them right now.
On December 13, Matt Carson hired additional staff to work at his Missouri-based datacenter, to date not mentioning Denver even once.
I am working with them right now for me to help with their tickets, so we can get the response time much faster. I have hired additional staff that start work here in a few weeks, and I know they are working hard to improve their systems.
I cant speak on the refunds unfortunately, I am still discussing the options with them.
Four hours later, Matt mentions for the first the move to Denver, right after somebody ask about local pickup since he lives in KC. Did his new hires move to Denver with him?
We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there .
ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.
.ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/minersourcenet-miner-hosting-llc-cheap-and-secure-hosting-and-sales-288012
We are all moved into the new place, lots of updates and pictures to come!
BUILDING #3:
Somewhere in Colorado.
Hi guys.. Have you seen that on the BS, sorry BA website ?
As far I remember, when I ordered the X-1, they announced around 0.5W/Gh, which was great, then , they moved to a 0.65W/Gh, and now :
Preliminary specifications:
Node process: 28nm High Performance Process
Package: High Performance Flip Chip BGA
Clock: 1.01 Ghz (Slow/Slow corner)
Voltage: 0.85V
Cores: 99 fully unrolled cores
Efficiency (including leakage): 0.75 W/Ghash/second
This means, the UPS I have bought, the electrical installation changes I have done are NOT corresponding ANYMORE to their new specifications !!! Also, they seem to have AGAIN delays, and worse, instead of concentrating their power to be "Just-In-Time", they have started a new project with LTC chips !
First time I invest on BSPO (Bullshit Pre-Orders), from firms that are unable to manage what they offered ! Not sure if I am going to ask for a refund from the sellers...
Still expecting news from Matt and the OFODB to be soon available (Old Fucking Orders Database)... And don't tell me that 6 months + 25% of hashing power will cover the losses I have had (UPS going to be overloaded, even I took one UPS with 25% more power as required !) ...
Angry Michel.
As far I remember, when I ordered the X-1, they announced around 0.5W/Gh, which was great, then , they moved to a 0.65W/Gh, and now :
Preliminary specifications:
Node process: 28nm High Performance Process
Package: High Performance Flip Chip BGA
Clock: 1.01 Ghz (Slow/Slow corner)
Voltage: 0.85V
Cores: 99 fully unrolled cores
Efficiency (including leakage): 0.75 W/Ghash/second
This means, the UPS I have bought, the electrical installation changes I have done are NOT corresponding ANYMORE to their new specifications !!! Also, they seem to have AGAIN delays, and worse, instead of concentrating their power to be "Just-In-Time", they have started a new project with LTC chips !
First time I invest on BSPO (Bullshit Pre-Orders), from firms that are unable to manage what they offered ! Not sure if I am going to ask for a refund from the sellers...
Still expecting news from Matt and the OFODB to be soon available (Old Fucking Orders Database)... And don't tell me that 6 months + 25% of hashing power will cover the losses I have had (UPS going to be overloaded, even I took one UPS with 25% more power as required !) ...
Angry Michel.
I would request a refund...
Good luck if requesting from Black Arrow, for Matt Carson handles the BA's ticket system. SERIOUSLY!!!
Just to clarify, Matt Carson does not handle our support ticket system.
We will offer local pickups- but we are moving to a massive new facility in CO, so pickups will have to be from there .
ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.
.ALSO: I now have access to the BA ticket system, so if you need a response feel free to PM and I can at least check on the status for you.
November 17, 2015, 01:23:46 AM
Defaced is a really cool guy, and as far as I have known him he has been honest. He is one of the more trustworthy developers in the alt coin world and does a lot to help the crypto cause.
yes by pumping out shitcoin after shitcoin, including the latest premine garabage
Hio kelsey. xD
That might explain why he likes wolf0 and his "optimized" mining software/kernels.
HAHA (puff puff) HA
Btw.. were you around that day when TomSelleck'sStache started freaking out about his hashpower exploit and/or scrypt asic kernel ?
nope missed that one ?
November 17, 2015, 01:22:52 AM
The second thing is that I worked so very hard in order to come out with an alternative, and because my team and I were doing everything by the book we are unable to secure the proper funding to launch an exchange that is truly legitimate (not to say Crypsty isnt legitimate, but as far back as I was a customer there have been problems). Therefore until we get funding the project is on hold.
We have a fully functional exchange, but we refuse to open up without the proper safeguards in place so customers know that we are not a fly by night exchange.
We have a fully functional exchange, but we refuse to open up without the proper safeguards in place so customers know that we are not a fly by night exchange.
you're talking a US based, give full ID comply with US law (and I use the term loosely) type exchange? no? now how would that be any meaningful alternative? kinda defeats the whole point of p2p currency.
now you could put all that wasted energy into helping make a p2p exchange
this space doesn't exactly need a cryptsy 2.0 November 17, 2015, 01:21:55 AM
Defaced is a really cool guy, and as far as I have known him he has been honest. He is one of the more trustworthy developers in the alt coin world and does a lot to help the crypto cause.
yes by pumping out shitcoin after shitcoin, including the latest premine garabage
Hio kelsey. xD
That might explain why he likes wolf0 and his "optimized" mining software/kernels.
HAHA (puff puff) HA
Btw.. were you around that day when TomSelleck'sStache started freaking out about his hashpower exploit and/or scrypt asic kernel ?
November 17, 2015, 01:14:40 AM
Defaced is a really cool guy, and as far as I have known him he has been honest. He is one of the more trustworthy developers in the alt coin world and does a lot to help the crypto cause.
yes by pumping out shitcoin after shitcoin, including the latest premine garabage
November 17, 2015, 01:03:38 AM
https://who.godaddy.com/whoisstd.aspx?domain=cryptsy.com&prog_id=GoDaddy&k=XGhBGY%202i25FaHd%20bR8ITCeWp01I3an5iuNjAHjkHDpzlh5yhRaCUiBdOeAi%2fHF7
I've yet to hunt down Paul Vernon's account on this forum prior to his bigvern nym: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigvern-93918. There has to be one given that Cryptsy was registered on February 9, 2012.
I've yet to hunt down Paul Vernon's account on this forum prior to his bigvern nym: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bigvern-93918. There has to be one given that Cryptsy was registered on February 9, 2012.
ENOM eh ? You don't say ..
While I was looking for some links regarding your question about Matt Carsen and hendo420 ...
-both are too lazy to clean up after themselves and both like to flaunt their herbs and/or mining gear
-they moved from Missouri to Colorado during the same time period
-Matt's million dollar scam, Minersource is/was located in Aurora.. hendo's first visit to a marijuana dispensary was in Pueblo
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.5551760
https://www.google.ca/maps/place/The+Greener+Side+Caregiving+%26+Wellness+LLC./@38.6758739,-104.4285717,8.32z/data=!4m15!1m12!4m11!1m3!2m2!1d-104.6434458!2d38.1689008!1m6!1m2!1s0x8713988430760889:0x5a0fa52fce1212d9!2sthe+greener+side+pueblo+co!2m2!1d-104.642757!2d38.1641979!3m1!1s0x8713988430760889:0x5a0fa52fce1212d9
... I came across these very interesting trust ratings on maco's (hendo's 42coin sidekick) profile.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=73930
As you can see, just one day after I posted my negative rating on maco's profile, hendo420 AND (long time scammer and hendoSOOPYcoin shill) Brad Mills aka. darbsllim decided to do the exact opposite.
darbsllim
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/darbsllim-14367
nah dude - there were 3 people who ordered that - but with all the mtgox issues (still haven't got our account back) and the canadian postal strike, things have been nuts.
Someone else is administrating the forbitcoin account for us, but the silver offer was taken down because the price of bitcoin was fluctuating so much, and people were misunderstanding the gig - we can't afford to sell these 10 oz bars for less than $400, and the bitcoin price is too volatile now.
Whoever bought will receive, or get a refund - we are just waiting on mtgox to fix their shit.
Someone else is administrating the forbitcoin account for us, but the silver offer was taken down because the price of bitcoin was fluctuating so much, and people were misunderstanding the gig - we can't afford to sell these 10 oz bars for less than $400, and the bitcoin price is too volatile now.
Whoever bought will receive, or get a refund - we are just waiting on mtgox to fix their shit.
I already had paid enough for the silver bar and shipping, weeks before Mt. Gox went down.
There was no "misunderstanding the gig." You offered a 10oz bar of silver for $400 worth of BTC and I paid that.
You admitted that you retroactively changed your mind about the terms of the offer after I handed over my money, because of btc price flux.
That's just sleazy. An honest business would make it right.
Expecting your customers to eat your losses, which were caused by your failure to deliver, is pretty ridiculous.
Would you renege on an eBay auction after it's ended, just because you no longer want to accept the winning bid?
Based on your (lack of) actions and stated POV, it seems like you would.
Your bad faith and faulty logic could hardly be demonstrated more clearly.
Especially given the lack of response prior to my making your dishonesty public.
iCEBREAKER said:
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This is becoming a very expensive bar. On June 9, at the time of purchase, I overpaid by $48.35, more than enough to cover two-day shipping. I was given an expected delivery date of June 16. On June 10, you brought up previously unmentioned shipping options. Four days after I responded, you asked me to send you another 7.6btc. The day after, it went up to another 14.
The "time of purchase" is when a buyer accepts a seller's offer, by placing an order and paying their btc. That way, each transaction has a clear timestamp and there is an incentive (exposure to price flux) for the seller to minimize latency.
forbitcoin said:
The standard practice for business is that once the buyer is parted from their money, the deal is done. No legitimate business would try to raise the price after the advertised purchase is complete. At that point the burden is on the seller to move fast and give the buyer what they already paid for. The buyer is not responsible for covering the sellers' losses, any more than the seller is responsible for offering a refund of the value of the item decreases. You can't expect buyers to carry the liability that belongs to sellers. Especially when you state the terms explicitly in the offer. The PURCHASE is complete when a buyer pays his money. The ORDER is complete when the buyer gets his item. NEITHER has anything to do with when the seller says they got around to shipping the item.
The "time of purchase" is when a buyer accepts a seller's offer, by placing an order and paying their btc. That way, each transaction has a clear timestamp and there is an incentive (exposure to price flux) for the seller to minimize latency.
forbitcoin said:
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Yeah you are right, we put the wrong term in the description, it was always meant to be the time of order completion, ie when it ships. The price of bitcoin is quite volatile as we all know, where Silver is a lot more secure. We just can't ship it for less than it's value unfortunately. If you want to proceed thats fine, but with this crazy mtgox stuff happening we will have to wait until that's back up and running.
BTW I understand your frustration, this order has taken a long time to complete with a lot of back and forth, all the while the btc price has shifted substantially - I hope you can understand where we are coming from on this.
BTW I understand your frustration, this order has taken a long time to complete with a lot of back and forth, all the while the btc price has shifted substantially - I hope you can understand where we are coming from on this.
The standard practice for business is that once the buyer is parted from their money, the deal is done. No legitimate business would try to raise the price after the advertised purchase is complete. At that point the burden is on the seller to move fast and give the buyer what they already paid for. The buyer is not responsible for covering the sellers' losses, any more than the seller is responsible for offering a refund of the value of the item decreases. You can't expect buyers to carry the liability that belongs to sellers. Especially when you state the terms explicitly in the offer. The PURCHASE is complete when a buyer pays his money. The ORDER is complete when the buyer gets his item. NEITHER has anything to do with when the seller says they got around to shipping the item.
This line of excuses is getting pretty long.
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