Topic: Cybersecurity subforum (Read 939 times)

This thread deserves a bump for the content of the OP as well as the message by MusaPk regarding the Cyber Security Certification by ICS2.

I have just posted in your other thread in the Off-topic board.

For those thinking about obtaining certification, the links you provided would be helpful. I am not suggesting nor advocating using the service but thought if it is mentioned within a wider reach related specifically to the forum, the discussion could be interesting.Overall, I do not know why anything related to ICS2 would be of use in a subforum because all forum members should take certain precautions for security without the need of being told but I was curious about what ICS2 was therefore went online to have a little read about it.

A search revealed some reviewers and commentors alluded they felt the certification was easy to obtain or had little value when listing on a CV. Some mentioned they were happy with the result they achieved after they signed up and paid an affordable fee.

I shared a Cyber security certification by ICS2 on Off Topic but wasn't able to get any response there. Just saw this thread for Cyber Security so sharing it here also. May be here someone will find it useful. It's not a referral type of thing and I wont get any benefit if anyone do that. It's best part is you get free training and free one attempt. After you clear the exam you can get certification by paying 50$.

The thread has not been posted in since January but I am posting here because this is a very good topic to have discussions about. In a nutshell, I do not think the sub-board will be created on the basis it is not essential as far as the forum is concerned. Yes, it would have some use in real-life situations and the internet is full of advice and links (as suggested below) but unless there is something specific to cover security aspects related to the forum, there simply is not a requirement for it.

In my opinion, this is a very good idea!  I very often read threads on the Bitcointalk forum that describe how users have lost their bitcoins and other cryptocurrencies as a result of ignoring cybersecurity rules. 

At the same time, new risks and threats arise in the virtual space every day.  I know that there are members on the forum who are very knowledgeable about this topic.  I would like to get their opinion on this or that issue of ensuring cybersecurity.  For me (as a crypto enthusiast) this is very important. 

The new topic section on the Bitcointalk forum is a great idea in my opinion.  Perhaps this would attract new users to the forum (experts in the field of cybersecurity).

If you haven't voted already, there is a poll going on in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.61601871

This is a great point that I didn't think either. We are already faced with a seemingly infinite amount of attack layers and the amount is only growing. I doubt that AI and quantum computing won't play a part in assisting malicious adversaries down the track too. This board could help to prepare for that.

I would prefer to use the forum and not look at 3rd party resources and I think that is a problem with computers progressing quantum computers are going to be discussed more and more and while the security implications of them are not huge right now years down the line they will become more of a concern. That could mean we have a lot of posts about quantum computers and how they could harm btc and I think a security board would be perfect for that instead of development board where this is normally discussed.

The only counter-argument I consider valid, is that Beginners & Help already satisfies a big part of that need. (And please, for God's sake, pin that encyclopedia already)

Maybe it's time for changes in the mod team as well. I mean, some boards even have inactive moderators, such as Beginners & Help and Greek board.

I would suggest 'Other', probably. Poll sounds good.

Exactly what I'm thinking, too. Sure, there are other places on the web with cybersecurity news and security practices to follow yourself. But the same argument could be applied to all other content on here. Also, I'm sure a cybersecurity board on Bitcointalk would contain lots of topics that have something to do with Bitcoin. Meanwhile other sites and forums that offer cybersecurity advice, probably don't cover Bitcoin-specific stuff like how to secure a machine running hot wallets.

A board dedicated to cybersecurity discussions? Yes please!

But, it's ultimately up to the administrators of this forum to decide whether or not to have a cybersecurity board. They may have their own reasons for not adding one, such as a lack of interest from the community. They might also consider the existing boards and if the topic is already being covered.

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Absolutely correct, I think for me when we talking of security it should be the number one key factors over here, from recent development concerning hacks that was carried out from Electrum, if there where to be proper subforum that mainly involved with Cybersecurity discussion, lot of people would have been aware of this maybe not to accept the wallet update. Therefore making a provision would be deem necessary for me to further expand and educates ourselves about security knowledge and impaction most especially for the beginners to be aware of pros and cons.

Yes, the topic is covered in other places. There are also many other places that cover the topics that are here on BitcoinTalk. I know you have stated that you are not against the idea so this next comment isn't directed toward you, but for those who do think that this is valid reason for it not to exist here, I don't think that's a valid reason not to have the board here.

By making a few searches on Reddit, I found a lot of cybersecurity channels listed below which can help everyone that has concern about it.

• https://www.reddit.com/r/cybersecurity/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/hacking/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberSecurityAdvice/
• https://www.reddit.com/r/Hacking_Tutorials/
• ...and many more

I'm just saying that there are a lot of existing forums specialising in this subject. But I'm not against the idea because it will be convenient if we have our own.

Definitely not true. Yes, posts will decrease, however the quality and relevance of posts will dramatically increase in my opinion. There are a lot of people's posts where I just look at them and think; what in the world is this? Then the answer is - a lame attempt to either grow their rank or to increase their posts for the signature campaign they are a part of.

Will it hurt post activity? Sure. Will it kill the forum? Definitely not. I believe that it will improve it and make the forum more what it was originally for - discussing bitcoin and its related topics.

I think that it is very unlikely that signature campaigns will be removed any time in the future though. They have been a part of the forum for a long time and I don't see why they would be dis-allowed...unless all of a sudden all of the managing staff start to care about the quality so much that they are willing to piss off the vast majority of members who participate in campaigns, campaign managers, service advertisers, etc.

A more relevant question is - when did this thread become about signature campaigns? Can this conversation not happen somewhere other than in the thread that is about requesting a Cybersecurity forum? The topics are not even slightly related.

How sure are you about that?

There is no doubt that signature campaigns have incentivized some users to give more importance to the quantity of their posts rather than their quality, so they can fulfill the post quota. But it has also incentivized knowledgeable users to assist anyone who's in trouble. Compare stackexchange with our Dev & Tech board. The former is alive, because a few developers are in charge of it (Pieter Wuille and Murch for the most part), and as far as I know, they get paid to moderate it. And sometimes, a SE post is left unanswered. Try out asking something in the Dev & Tech, and get zero assistance. I assure you that there will be greater chance, if nobody is paid to help.

Secondly, in the early days of this forum, there were no signature campaigns. Do you think those discussions were more constructive than today's? Find me more than three constructive discussions from this old, random page of the Bitcoin Discussion: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=1.52480

You need to look it in the bigger picture, I can say if the forum disabling the signatures in every boards, it will be the end of this forum.

It's not surprising if there's an user become active in this forum because of signature campaign and they need to maintain their quality post to able stay in their campaign. This will encourage them to improve their quality post, increase the merit flow, increase the discussion, using feedback and flag correctly and trying to not break the forum rules. Because they're don't want to get red tagged, their account will become worthless.

Can you imagine if the forum ban the whole signatures? any user doesn't care anymore with appropriate use of feedback, flag and trust, they will trolling in this forum since they have nothing to lose. I wouldn't be surprised if many accounts will get red painted due to personal problem or something like that.

I don't see any problem if there's a user only have purpose to earn money in this forum, I believe they're came from poor country and they need to feed their family. At least this forum is an angel for them and it's good since this forum is really important for them.

This forum already offer a good feature, let me show it:

1. You don't want to see an user wear avatar and signature? click Profile - Look and Layout Preferences -  Don't show users' avatars. and Don't show users' signatures.

2. You see an off topic and low quality post? report the post to the moderators.

3. The moderators didn't take any action with your report? click ignore on that's annoying user.

Its a good compromise and an alternative to banning signatures altogether.

The forum is now at its lowest traffic ranking since before Nov. 2013. For the record:




... and Hal's posts, can't forget him. Same goes for a handful of other early innovators and developers.

I believe this trend is due to a couple of reasons. Nobody wants to hear about the first reason, so let's just talk about the second, which is signature campaigns have steadily diminished the quality of discussion on the forum for years. They encourage people to post for no reason other than to get paid, which leads to a lot of inconsequential jabber that quickly buries actual substance. Those casually visiting the forum have no motivation to wade through it for the occasionally interesting tidbits. Thus, a lot of former visitors have stopped coming here altogether.

At the same time, some businesses still find sig campaigns to be a worthwhile expensive, and this is the reality even if for reasons I can't explain.

You can still post in Serious Discussion if you want. Just let the people who want it enjoy a spam-free section of the forum.

I never understood why signatures don't appear in Serious Discussion board. Like, is it because it attracts spam? By that reasoning, should signatures be disabled on the entire forum? Are the rest of the discussions not considered serious?

I think what we need is simple: a brand new sub-board, with a sticky mega-list thread which is moderated in a divided manner. So that if you're having a query, you can check the thread.

I was going to start a poll in the thread that I created, weirdly there was no option to do so under additional options though.

I sometimes don't end up posting that kind of stuff for that reason, and it sucks.

But where would we place a Cybersecurity board? Under Trading Discussion? Or somewhere else?

I support your petition but if we are going to see a change then you need to be able to demonstrate that there is a majority consensus in favor of the idea. Perhaps run a poll or something?