Topic: Dabs #54791 is a habituated PM-beggar, doing public “charity” and escrow. (Read 552 times)

Is there any recent pm begging? If you had an issue with this(apparently in 2019) then you should have raised that issue back then. Why would you wait until now to raise this issue?

I'm not ok with begging, but I think the past is the past and unless you have recent proof to show, let it go and move on.

nullius has a personal problem with everyone who doesn't suckle at the fountain of nullian superiority.  Be careful, you might get a red-tag (or two) for every post you make in this thread that questions his convictions, or (god forbid) his sanity.

A lot of energy and time  for the OP to make this post
Collecting messages and quotes and organizing the post

Just to tell us someone is begging in PM ?
Atleast he didn't steal or scam someone right ?
Also he have good reputation i mean comparing to you OP.

Are you sure there is no personal problem between you guys ?
Or some sort of salt ?  

Sorry but I don't but your story.  

"I am guessing", "maybe", "I wonder", etc - opinions, not statements of fact. I too think you're dishonest, and a coward, and generally a pathetic trollpuppet. That's not defamation, just like saying "Alice needs money" is not begging. Read a dictionary.

Well, we had that incident with the donations that were collected by 3 Bitcointalk members from a few years ago. I am bad with names, but one of them was cabalism I think. Someone started investigating those and found a lack of transparency in how the money was spent. You are free to do the same thing if you suspect something is wrong.

I am not making excuses. I don't know the dude and I don't know you either. I have never spoken or dealt with him in any way. I am asking questions and looking at things objectively. Heck, I think I have spoken to you more than with him (1 time with you, never with him). Weren't you the one who created that thread about Duchess Anastasia who got her identity stolen? I am pretty sure you did. I was the one who translated the thread into Croatian.

With spotless I meant in holding and escrowing funds and his charitable work. If you can find proof of wrongdoings there, I don't see why the community would defend him. They didn't defend those involved in the Bitcointalk charity I mentioned above. He wouldn't be the first one who spoiled his reputation for being involved with the wrong kind of people, campaigns, or activities.   

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Due largely to the factors mentioned in this topic, I believe that anyone dealing with Dabs is at a high risk of losing money, and guests would be well-advised to avoid doing so.  This determination is based on concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with, and it is not based on the user’s opinions.

A non-exclusive summary of some facts in evidence which, when taken together, constitute concrete red flags which any knowledgeable & reasonable forum user should agree with:

• Dabs runs and actively promotes a thread whereby he takes donations, allegedly for charitable purposes and not for his own benefit.
• Dabs also runs an escrow service.
• Dabs has, thus far, three publicly revealed instances of begging behind the scenes in PMs.
• In one instance of begging, Dabs explicitly lied:  He said that he had not begged “in 30 to 40 years”.  It is now known that he had secretly begged in at least one other recent prior instance, only four months before.  (When else?  How many others?)
• Dabs sent not less than one of those begs to a total stranger with whom he had no prior connection or contact whatsoever before that day.
• Dabs sent not less than one of those begs to a total stranger who, unbeknownst to him, was actually poor.  When, with understandable irritation, the recipient of the beg essentially pointed out that it was horrible to beg shamelessly to a poor person who had never begged, Dabs’ response was arrogantly and quite callously to allege that his situation was “harder”.
• In 2019 and 2020, Dabs alleged that he “lost 95% (maybe more) of [his] coins” and “lost everything since last year”.  In 2022, one of Dabs’ apparent friends publicly claimed that Dabs “is in an uncomfortable financial situation and could use any and all help”.  Although actual, alleged, or putative poverty does not in itself constitute evidence of dishonesty or untrustworthiness, it is a red flag when combined with such behaviours as begging to strangers in PMs.  How far will Dabs go?  What else will he do, if he is in actual or alleged financial desperation?

The foregoing list of concrete red flags could already be continued.  It will thus conclude for now, to avoid excessively repetitive redundancy and waste of time.

Negative trust feedback will be issued on the same basis.

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goldkingcoiner:  Tagged (again) for defamation, viz., factually untrue and reputationally damaging statements made with self-evident actual malice.

suchmoon:  Nonsense beneath reply, and off-topic.  Some of it also defamatory—but if I were to tag suchmoon for every defamatory statement that she has ever made about me, I would spend all day writing new tags.  Hereby, I will not continue to take thread-derailment bait in the form of personal attacks that ridiculously try to put me on the defensive—when I have done nothing wrong, and I have conscionably brought out evidence about Dabs that people need to know about.

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No, wrong.  I myself got a beg from Dabs about two and a half years ago, in which he claimed he had not begged “in 30 to 40 years”.  Alarm bells started then—but raised in volume when I saw evidence that he had done the same thing almost three years ago, and he is evidently doing something similar today.

When did this start?  Unknown.  It is known that it has not stopped.


One of the reasons for the popularity of charity scams is that it is very difficult to catch someone who is not a total idiot.

If Dabs were to cheat in an escrow deal, I reasonably expect that there would probably be an accusation.  Thus, although his escrow clients and potential clients deserve to be informed about this, that is only my secondary concern here.

Do you expect for starving children to raise a scam accusation?  The question is rhetorical.

Do the donors and prospective donors of Dabs’ allegedly charitable thread deserve to be informed about this?  It would be obscene to pretend otherwise.

Has there ever been an audit of Dabs’ charity by a disinterested third party?  By “disinterested”, I mean someone neutral towards Dabs.  Not one who will search for excuses, as you seem to be doing.

Note that I myself am totally neutral towards Dabs—or rather, I was.  I have no interest in defending him.  I also had no grudge against him, no wish to cause him trouble—that, indeed, is why I sat on this for over two years, against my better judgment.

I was very reluctant to come forward with this.  The overall response that I am getting shows that my reluctance was misplaced.

Among other things, “neutral, disinterested party” means a party who will not refuse to act appropriately on negative evidence.


His reputation has obviously not remained “spotless” here.  The beg itself is a spot.  There are now three known instances.  That reasonably raises two questions:  How many more, and what else?

“He has been caught doing something very sleazy only a few times, and caught lying about it only once” does not equate to “spotless” in my book.

You "have the courage" yet you still sockpuppet and have no courage to admit it. Pathetic.


You got kicked out because you misused the trust system. I can start a campaign to include you into DT and you would still be excluded. You grossly overestimate my influence here.


I'm not manufacturing anything. I think your "bet" offer was fraudulent not unlike e.g. self-escrowing. There was no reason to do it with a sockpuppet account if you knew that you would need your other account to provide "proof", other than to give it some illusion of being more trustworthy than it was. The key here is that you were pretending that death_wish is a different person.


You made up false accusations about goldkingcoiner.


You posted that shit in your OP so deal with it.


For someone so wordy, you have a surprisingly severe case of reading disability. "Your irrational emotional attachment". Not everyone's emotional attachment to any friend.

I guess that explains how you build these absurd accusations out of nothing.

Ok, so all this began two years ago, right? During that time, Dabs has continued to provide escrow services and collecting money for charities. Has there been one case or accusation in these 2 years where he has stolen money or misused the community's trust and ran away with money that doesn't belong to him? If the answer to these questions is no, I wouldn't worry about Dabs being an untrustworthy individual if his reputation has remained spotless since that begging took place. 

I am guessing the reason why he created death_wish was to collect sympathy by lying about his margin trading losses. Or maybe that is his strategy of covertly begging for coin on WO? Now he even resorts to fraud... Sad.

Extremely pathetic, either way. Nullius is dishonest and a coward.

I wonder if he does this often. Geez, at least I no longer feel sorry for him.

suchmoon’s twisted and manipulative attempt to put me on the defensive will not work.

It is a dirty secret of this forum, known to all longtime members, that nobody will dare to raise credible, well-evidenced accusations against a “high-trust” member—especially not one with certain types of friends here.  Wherefore the forum tradition of using alt accounts to raise such accusations.  Although I have the courage to stand up with my “main account”, I anyway cannot use a one-off throwaway here:  I need to attest and release PMs from this account.

The usual pattern:  As a DT member, in 2020, I raised an accusation against a high-profile member based on well-known facts.  Thereupon, suchmoon immediately found a convenient pretext to get me kicked out of DT.  I raise an accusation against a high-profile member here, with clear evidence that suchmoon merrily ignores as she transparently tries to manufacture a scam accusation against me out of the whole cloth.

This forum community’s trust of such persons makes me yearn for the relative honesty and professionalism of defi.

suchmoon’s attempt to pin a nonexistent fraud on me is patently ridiculous.  Moreover, she herself has said, and has maliciously said many easily provable lies about me (plus half-truths and twisted misinterpretations).  Just for an illustrative example of her lies, take her statement that I am “begging”.  Her denial now that she defamed what she so elegantly alleges to be “Cuntius” is a compound lie:  Anyone who reads that post can see that she was falsely accusing me, specifically me, of making up false accusations against Dabs.  Some of her most egregious lies could be easily disproved, but only at the expense of my privacy.

She can make up a new lie every day, try to put me on the spot to defend myself, waste all of my time, and then do it again the next day—if I let her.  I won’t play that game.

The personal attack on me is entirely off-topic here.  I believe that is suchmoon’s primary intent.  To dispose the matter, I have therefore belatedly tagged suchmoon and a few others—as I intended yesterday with this post, and would have if the new 500-character limit did not make accurate tags more time-consuming to create.  Also now goldkingcoiner.  I will leave it at that.  No sense arguing with a psychopath who believes that having emotional attachments to one’s friends is “irrational”.

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Now, suchmoon, do you have anything to say on the topic of Dabs, or not?  Aren’t you at least a wee little bit worried about how someone who’s run a charity thread for nine years has been caught PM-begging and lying about it, as shown in OP?  Among other concerns...

Re: Feed Some Children by Dabs (Donate Bitcoins)

There is nothing to retract. Your accusation (that goldkingcoiner was "begging") is nonsensical. The subsequent "bet" even more so.


Then remove the nonsensical accusation from the OP:

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Same person offering a bet with one account, and providing "proof" for resolving that bet with another account - that's very "material" and very fraudulent. Now you can pile six feet of pompous bullshit on top of this and try to pretend that this wasn't your intent, but that just makes you a liar and doesn't make your fantasy real.

Snip off-topic sigspamming:
https://archive.ph/Joafp#selection-7095.0-8213.14

The topic of this thread is Dabs.

Attempts to derail the thread with off-topic shooting-the-messenger are unconscionable and reprehensible.

Don’t you care that the forum community is sending “feed starving children” donations to someone who has a behavioural pattern of sneakily begging in PMs?

At best—at best—it calls for great skepticism.  I call it probable cause to accuse Dabs of scamming.  It shows concrete red flags giving cause to believe that anyone dealing with Dabs has a high risk of losing money:  Runs charity, handles escrow, begs behind the scenes, and lies about begging as shown in OP.

Keep the thread on-topic.

suchmoon, when will you retract and apologize for your own false, malicious, and defamatory claim on 2022-06-18 that this was a matter of “nonsensical accusations”, i.e. a lie?
https://archive.ph/AV4BR#selection-451.0-743.42
You have made many such lies yourself, lately; but on the thread about Dabs, the on-topic discussion is about Dabs’ begging PMs.  What have you to say about those PMs, and about Dabs?

goldkingcoiner, your refusal even to admit that you were wrong about this shows much about you.  However, this is not a topic about goldkingcoiner.  What have you to say here about Dabs?

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Without wishing to be baited into thread-derailment, I will state a few things for the record, for my own protection.  The following is simply information for people who do not know the facts, who may be misled by a pile of lies and half-truths standing unopposed.  I will avoid derailing the thread with arguments about this.

A.

I myself have never begged, and never will.  I have also consistently refused paid signatures—including a sweet offer to advertise FJ a few years ago, which I politely declined despite being quite tempted.  In the past, I have also defended suchmoon and others from attempts to get Chip to drop them.  I simply choose not to accept paid advertising in my signature.

Numerous forum members who eschew paid advertising have tip addresses in their signatures—including theymos.  By smearing me for linking from my signature an under-construction tips webpage, where I have yet not even published any cryptocurrency addresses, goldkingcoiner and suchmoon imply that theymos is begging and/or scamming people.

B.

The accusations of “extortion” or “fraud” are beneath reply, save for a simple, detached and objective recitation of facts that can be verified by anyone who cares to read the relevant thread:

death_wish positively claimed that he had certain knowledge that Dabs had begged in PMs.  He positively claimed that evidence would soon be public, some way or another.  goldkingcoiner claimed he was “sure” and “more than sure” this was false; and he very rudely insulted death_wish with clear insinuations that he was a liar.  death_wish publicly challenged goldkingcoiner to “put [his] money where [his] mouth is”.

death_wish positively claimed, without even a shadow of a doubt, that he had certain knowledge that Dabs had begged in PMs.  He evidently did have such knowledge; and he never concealed the fact that he did.  He positively claimed that evidence would soon arise, and/or that evidence could be brought out on a deadline.

If death_wish had said that he was guessing, or that maybe this could be the case, and if he actually had nonpublic knowledge amounting to certainty—that would be an altogether different scenario.  But to the contrary, he explicitly claimed definite knowledge that would be made public.  As it was, the discussion is fairly summarized:  I tell the truth—I challenge you to bet against me that I am a liar.

One of the classic five elements of “fraud” is materiality.  death_wish’s identity is immaterial, and it is entirely irrelevant to this thread.  death_wish evidently told the truth.  Two (and counting?) people have disclosed Dabs begging PMs, from 2019 and 2020 respectively.

Whereupon:  Keep this thread on-topic.  Thus far, not even one reply from others has been on-topic.  Rather, there is only classic trolling, shooting the messenger, and thread-derailment from people who evidently don’t care about probable-cause evidence to investigate a potential long-con charity-scam.

Ahh... The puzzle pieces fall into place.

His schizophrenic pomposity, narcissistic personality and unjustified sense of self importance does mirror that of death_wish's 1 to 1. The fact that he does not deny it only adds further credibility to your assertion.

Wow. Now I just feel sorry for the guy. He keeps creating new accounts but can't hide his true self.  

Not only did he start his karenistic screeching about hating beggars on WO and on this thread but he himself begs for coin. What a hypocrite.

Nullius is seemingly indeed an irredeemable cunt.

You attacked goldkingcoiner for several pages in WO demanding to take your "bet", with conditions specifically tailored to what you posted here in this thread. I'd call it simply trolling, if not for the fact that you used one sockpuppet account for the "bet" and another for the "proof". If you don't like the word "extortion", let's call it simply fraud, as that's what a shill/sockpuppet bet is.

I did not smear you.  Moreover, you will never “tell” me anything.

I am not going to tell you again:  The public posts, which are all archived, speak for themselves.

I believe that you are grossly mischaracterizing the discussion in WO, but that is off-topic here.  Anyone who so wishes can click through and read it.

Your objections are off-topic.  If you ridiculously believe that I have slighted your reputation, please feel free to open a topic in Reputation, which I will feel free to ignore because it’s not worth my time.

The topic of this thread is Dabs.

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No surprise that suchmoon is unable to stay on-topic.  It doesn’t bother me.  cryptohunter’s meltdown and loss of reputation started with him following people around with wild personal attacks on them (e.g., smearing Lauda as an “extortionist”), just like like suchmoon is now following me around with similar viciousness.  I do appreciate the symmetry of suchmoon’s absurd accusation that I somehow tried to “extort” goldkingcoiner;

death_wish is nullius

Even if you ignore the uniquely pompous writing style, it's quite obvious by now that when he couldn't extort bitcoins out of you on WO (as death_wish) he's gonna trollpuppet you now (as nullius).

I did not call him a liar. I asked him to provide evidence for his claim, since he made a heavy claim which was suited to damaging Dabs's clean reputation. Instead of coming forth with the evidence, as I requested of him, Death_wish attempted to goad me (multiple times) into taking an unfair, premeditated Bitcoin bet with him over the matter. When I refused, he continued to troll me into taking the bet. Basically trying to scam me out of my coins.

Most people dislike his character as he is an annoying troll on the WO. And lets be honest, he was venting on everyone and anyone because he lost most of his Bitcoin with margin trading. Which is why I overreacted. I may have been mistaken about Dabs but why you seem to be vouching for death_wish, I have no idea.

I am not going to tell you again. Stop smearing my good will and reputation.

Also, should the situation arise when a fellow senior Bitcointalker with a glowing green reputation is in a dire situation, I will be sure to let everyone know so that those who wish to help, can do so... And I really do not care what trolls think of that.

Initial version of post:  https://archive.ph/DT9U4#selection-3665.0-3847.91

Instead of accusing the accuser and trying to shoot the messenger, I advise that you should apologize to death_wish for how you essentially called him a liar.  And if you would have acted differently had you known of Dabs’ past begging, then your anger would be more appropriately directed at him, not at me.  Rather, you should thank me for coming forward with something I was reluctant to touch for over two years.

The public posts, which are all archived, speak for themselves.  And you spoke for yourself, when you called for “any and all help” for Dabs, and you asked that “WO should help him out”.  I will not waste my time on your dishonest wordgames, when everyone can see exactly what you said.

But thank you for adding to the record what you edited into your post, when I was about to post the foregoing.  I will let that record speak for itself.  https://archive.ph/rtaEb#selection-3639.0-3990.4

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Edit:  For the record, I reported some relevant PMs to admins/global mods about half an hour ago, with a request for verification of authenticity in this thread.  Report times, according to the forum:  “July 04, 2022, 12:40:27 PM” and “July 04, 2022, 12:40:36 PM”.  Report text:

I DID NOT "beg on his behalf". I truely thought he was in sincere trouble. And never having known Dabs (a veteran WO'er with nothing but green trust) to be a habitual begger,  I felt empathy for him so I thought WO should know about the troubles of a fellower long term WO'er. And as someone in the thread said they had tainted BTC that they did not wish to hodl, trade or sell, I proposed it go towards him. I did not go out of my way to ask for people to dig into their savings.

I would ask you to stop your disgusting insinuations that he had engaged me to beg for him.

Here is my interaction with Dabs:

As you can see by the following, I was not employed or otherwise engaged by him to beg.

Reserved for my conclusions.  Blank for now; I want to see what other evidence may develop, before taking any trust system action.