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Topic: Dabs #54791 is a habituated PM-beggar, doing public “charity” and escrow. - page 2. (Read 539 times)

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Following are full, unedited quotes of some public posts.  The posts speak for themselves; I do not intend to comment on them.  Other posts, and archives of posts, are available if needed.



2022: Dabs’ public begging by proxy:

Post archived in multiple places (archive.ph, Wayback), because it is drastically changed from the original (LoyceV, backup, more backup):

Just refreshed my neurons with my passphrase on my Trezor. Everything is as I left it, except for some dust amounts of BTC that some unknown entity has been regularly depositing to my wallet. I guess this is done to "mark" my wallet and track any future movement of my coins. Well, FUCK YOU, whoever you are, your dust will never be moved from there, so feel free to send more...

My advice to cold storage HoDLers: refresh your neurons with your passphrase/PIN/whatever you use to protect your wallet, by viewing your cold storage balance every 6 months or so. You never know when your memory may fail and you end up not being able to remember the key(s) to your precious coins.

Everything's in order, waiting for the dip to end, and for a slow, organic, healthy UPpity movement to commence.

GTCTTWW.
This is fine.
HoDL.

You could donate it to Dabs if you don't want it. As he told me, he is in an uncomfortable financial situation and could use any and all help. Maybe WO should help him out?

Is this now acceptable behaviour?  Asking “because reasons” I have been evasively not replying to Jay’s advice that I should DCA $10/week.  Same reasons I had earlier flipped out when bitebits told me to use my fiat to save my BTC (sorry, bitebits... you didn’t know me).  “Uncomfortable financial situation” does not even begin to describe it.  I lack food security going forward.  It is not the first time for me.  I rebuilt my life from scratch around assets that are now gone, when I am in poor health with other difficult circumstances that are nobody’s business but my own.  It was a hell of a struggle.  And the decisive (un)reason why I started getting stupid a few months ago was time pressure.  It was not greediness:  It was neediness.  Young, spry folks can afford to have patience.  I cannot afford to scrimp, save, and build up assets for another five years to be “set for life”—I do not have it in me!  I ran out of time long ago.  I am supposed to be bloody retired, with zero pressure... write code when I can, or read some books... otherwise, just rest.  I need it right now—right now.

Dabs has PM-begged in the past.  He has history about that, so this is not even a one-off problem caused by the market crash which affects us all.  It is habitual for him.  I am concerned if he is asking around for money now—while showering merit blindly (including on a merit-abusing bounty spammer account!).

If taking up personal donations for “uncomfortable financial situations” is now acceptable behaviour in WO (or anywhere on this forum!), then this is another example of me getting burned for being too principled.  I would have real money now, if not for principles.  It is not only my saying that; I have sometimes had friends yell at me for it.  Now, hey, I am a privacy expert.  I have no qualms about coins from any source—I don’t care if a coin comes straight from the CEO of Chainalysis—no one would ever find where the money goes, LOL.  Oh, no...  I say to burn the precious money in OP_RETURN, or donate it to miners just to get rid of it.  Then, I get to watch someone incite someone else to pass the hat around WO, due to whatever sob story of needy needy needs.

Fuck me, I’m stupid.  I like to eat, too.

I must emphasize that I have been at pains to avoid any implication whatsoever of seeking money from people when I am clearly in financial desperation.  I am not here for that!  When I made Jr. rank and set a signature, I did not even put in a tip address—as you have in your otherwise unpaid signature, Jay, and as you are entitled to.  I am likewise so entitled; I often spend an absurd amount of time and effort writing posts that people value, on topics unrelated to the state of my personal finances.  I may put up a tip address sometime, but I am especially reluctant to because of my current financial situation.  I do not want for anyone to get the wrong idea about me.  I mercilessly report beggars for violation of forum rules.

I am 0% jealous of people who did it right, who now have cash on the orderbooks as their wallets swell with cheap bitcoins.  Congratulations.  But if anyone starts getting free money thrown at him because please sir I have needs, I will be... understandably not amused.  Just to see that is a slap in the face to me.


For the record, I am not asking for money.  I will proudly take my reputation to my grave.  I think my point is clear.



2019: More of Dabs’ PM-begging:

I was not begging for him, I was asking WO if we could help him out and suggesting any unwanted BTC can go towards that goal. Neither am I sure whether or not he is sincere. But why would an old member with so much trust, merit and history on his profile on Bitcointalk be lying about a despicable situation that he is trying to get out of? And all that for a few peanuts? That does not make sense to me. Report me if you want, you're still a jackass in my book either way.

Consistently with the note that I appended at the end of my prior post before I saw your reply:

I am not accusing Dabs of lying about whatever situation he claims to be in.  You are inserting that here as your strawman, goldkingcoiner.

Some people repeatedly get themselves into desperate situations.  (I know this, all too personally.)  Maybe he was telling the truth before—maybe not.  Maybe he is telling the truth now—maybe not.  It is irrelevant to anything that I said.

I said that Dabs has PM-begged before—and now, you are publicly begging on his behalf.  Right in front of someone who is clearly at least as desperate as Dabs, but who is taking the high road.  You’re the jackass.  Don’t you care about my desperate situation?

Incidentally, this is why begging is against forum rules.  Lots of people are genuinely in need.



So, are you a betting man, goldkingcoiner?



Edited to add, for the record:  goldkingcoiner is also lying about his own post when put it in terms of “any unwanted BTC”.  His post started with that, then segued immediately into a general beg.  (Not that asking for “any unwanted BTC” would be ok, but that’s not even what this was.)

Post archived in multiple places (archive.ph, Wayback), because it is drastically changed from the original (LoyceV, backup, more backup):

[...]

You could donate it to Dabs if you don't want it. As he told me, he is in an uncomfortable financial situation and could use any and all help. Maybe WO should help him out?

I said any UNWANTED BTC (In this case accumulated BTC DUST) can go to him as a donation. And then I said he could use any and all help. Help can be in many forms. I am helping him find a job, for example.
And then I said maybe WO wants to help?

I do not see the part where I begged on his behalf. I wanted to do a good thing for a good man with a green trust reputation who has been doing good deeds on this forum for a long time.

Here is Dabs doing charity for kids: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/feed-some-children-by-dabs-donate-bitcoins-4920-meals-so-far-300631
is this considered "begging" in your book, too? Do you report the hungry children or dabs for "begging" for them? Go ahead, report the whole thread.

Were you unloved by your parents and now you want everyone to be as miserable as you?

Edit:

Death_wish, lets see who else can back up your claim of dabs "begging" per PMs in the past. If you are making reputation-damaging accusations without providing witness or evidence, that is called slander Libel. An action seen as illegal in many countries. And I will also not let that pass if your accusations are untrue.

So:
Can anyone other than death_wish confirm prove that dabs has been "begging" via pm in the past for personal gain?


Checked my PM and I've got a dabs begging PM. Death_wish is correct.
I've reported this to the admin because begging is not allowed IMO.
I sincerely feel for dabs but I and many have lost it all and had to rebuild.
I've lost coins in cryptsy and btce and have never begged.

Proof:


My stack is significant... but won't let me buy a ship like that .... yet Tongue

Hey there, hello fellow Wall Observer thread poster ...

How significant is it for you?


For me, I've lost everything since last year, but somehow managing to survive ... it's not easy.

I am hoping against hope that maybe perhaps you'd like to help those less fortunate than you.


Dabs

P.S. I don't know if you've read my little story here the past few months.
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My full, unedited exchange of PMs with Dabs in February 2020

After I create this thread, I will report some of these with a request that a Global Moderator or Administrator confirm the authenticity thereof in this thread.

0. pmsg=10060960:  My initial PM to Dabs—entirely of a non-financial nature:

In his own words: "Welcome to law."

Cheers.



1. pmsg=10060989:  Dabs’ reply, with shocking and unexpected begging for money:

In his own words: "Welcome to law."

Cheers.



2. pmsg=10061085:  My response to Dabs’ begging.  Unfortunately, this reveals some private information that I wish I had not leaked.  Historical note:  This was indeed when I deleted the tip addresses that I had had in my profile since 2017–2018.  Earlier today, I created a new tips page.  I make positive contributions.  Some people value my creative efforts (or, as hereby, my time and energy that I invest to help protect the community).  I need to stop being ashamed of having a tip address like theymos and other high-profile forum members, just because I am poor and I don’t want to be perceived as needy.  I have never begged, and never will.  I would rather starve to death or kill myself than be a beggar—and I have suffered sufficient hardship to know what it means to say that.

Thanks for your engagement with the in the Project Anastasia discussion.

I have a small request:  Would you please delete this post, and re-post it? [...]

Done!

Thanks.

Okay, that will be 10 bitcoins.

Cheers!

Just kidding, LOL, but .... since you PM'd me already, short of begging, perhaps you can send some financial assistance my way?

But i'm not really, I already have a job and trying to get in on another campaign as the last one just died on me, and there are just so many bills to pay, and I lost 95% (maybe more) of my coins (they were in alts, so yeah, everything crashed huh.)

I have had the thrilling past experience of running blockchain daemons on what was then a 5-year-old netbook-level machine souped up with about €40 in extra RAM, while literally homeless and connecting through public wifi hotspots.  (Thanks, Core, for keeping down the damn blocksize and thus, the resource-consuming UTXO set size.)  That is over, but I am still not rich—especially not after I lost most of my minuscule crypto-fortune messing with “privacy coins” that I bought for privacy, without even thinking about their soundness for “investment”.

If I want to stop being so stupid, I should probably do something to earn money.  But meanwhile, I am gratuitously devoting huge chunks of my life to the Bitcoin Forum for free—no, for freedom—because I believe in Bitcoin as a movement for freedom.  Some of my best essays take hours to write, edit, polish, format, preview, bugfix, and proofread one last time before I post.  I do it to give to Bitcoin, not to get Bitcoin or even to get merits.  (Protip:  To swim in giant pools of merit, shoot out your personal energy until you almost die.)

I have always refused a paid signature.  I have told several campaign managers that I do not want a paid signature at this time.  Between you and me, I would only take a paid signature if, without exaggeration, it were to become the only way that I could avoid literally starving or becoming homeless again.  In that circumstance, I would take a paid signature for the purpose of permitting myself to continue existing so that I can continue to give to Bitcoin.

And I just deleted my old tip addresses from my profile page, because I do not want for you to suppose that I may be begging under the pretext of not-begging.  “Wir Wahrhaftigen” do not beg.  I would red-tag anybody who showed me pity or the sick popular euphemism for pity, “empathy”.  I am not joking—I mean it:  Insulted me with pity.  For the same reason, I request that you keep the foregoing information strictly confidential.

Cheers!

Now, please, let’s all work together to protect Bitcoin from liars, scammers, and identity thieves who want to destroy your money and your privacy.



3. pmsg=10061112:  My disclosure of Dabs’ begging to a third party.  For completeness of the initial record.  I will NOT reveal who the recipient was, without that party’s consent.  If it seems appropriate, I may politely request that that person come forward to confirm having received this PM from me; but I do not wish to cause the bother.

Project Anastasia sure turns up some interesting behaviour, one way or another.  WTF is happening to this place?

Thanks for your engagement with the in the Project Anastasia discussion.

I have a small request:  Would you please delete this post, and re-post it? [...]

Done!

Thanks.

Okay, that will be 10 bitcoins.

Cheers!

Just kidding, LOL, but .... since you PM'd me already, short of begging, perhaps you can send some financial assistance my way?

But i'm not really, I already have a job and trying to get in on another campaign as the last one just died on me, and there are just so many bills to pay, and I lost 95% (maybe more) of my coins (they were in alts, so yeah, everything crashed huh.)

I have had the thrilling past experience of running blockchain daemons on what was then a 5-year-old netbook-level machine souped up with about €40 in extra RAM, while literally homeless and connecting through public wifi hotspots.  (Thanks, Core, for keeping down the damn blocksize and thus, the resource-consuming UTXO set size.)  That is over, but I am still not rich—especially not after I lost most of my minuscule crypto-fortune messing with “privacy coins” that I bought for privacy, without even thinking about their soundness for “investment”.

If I want to stop being so stupid, I should probably do something to earn money.  But meanwhile, I am gratuitously devoting huge chunks of my life to the Bitcoin Forum for free—no, for freedom—because I believe in Bitcoin as a movement for freedom.  Some of my best essays take hours to write, edit, polish, format, preview, bugfix, and proofread one last time before I post.  I do it to give to Bitcoin, not to get Bitcoin or even to get merits.  (Protip:  To swim in giant pools of merit, shoot out your personal energy until you almost die.)

I have always refused a paid signature.  I have told several campaign managers that I do not want a paid signature at this time.  Between you and me, I would only take a paid signature if, without exaggeration, it were to become the only way that I could avoid literally starving or becoming homeless again.  In that circumstance, I would take a paid signature for the purpose of permitting myself to continue existing so that I can continue to give to Bitcoin.

And I just deleted my old tip addresses from my profile page, because I do not want for you to suppose that I may be begging under the pretext of not-begging.  “Wir Wahrhaftigen” do not beg.  I would red-tag anybody who showed me pity or the sick popular euphemism for pity, “empathy”.  I am not joking—I mean it:  Insulted me with pity.  For the same reason, I request that you keep the foregoing information strictly confidential.

Cheers!

Now, please, let’s all work together to protect Bitcoin from liars, scammers, and identity thieves who want to destroy your money and your privacy.



4. pmsg=10061167:  That party’s response.

[REDACTED]



5. pmsg=10061216:  Dabs’ surreply, still telling me his sob story even though now, he knows I am poor:

That gets harder if you got a wife and three children you have to take care of, moved to different country, and have no other social support. Anyway... we'll figure it out.

I don't usually beg either, haven't had to in 30 to 40 years, so ... but if times are dire, ...

ahhh. we'll figure it out, and make bitcoin great again .. Smiley

I do escrow, of course every transaction with me is confidential.

Cheers!

while literally homeless and connecting through public wifi hotspots.

...

And I just deleted my old tip addresses from my profile page, because I do not want for you to suppose that I may be begging under the pretext of not-begging.  “Wir Wahrhaftigen” do not beg.  I would red-tag anybody who showed me pity or the sick popular euphemism for pity, “empathy”.  I am not joking—I mean it:  Insulted me with pity.  For the same reason, I request that you keep the foregoing information strictly confidential.

Cheers!



That concludes my correspondence in February 2020 with Dabs.  To the best of my recollection, I have had no further communications with Dabs.
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User: Dabs #54791 (trust)

These are excerpts of Personal Messages that I received from a user who has made a career of running allegedly charitable collections, and who runs an escrow business:

My stack is significant... but won't let me buy a ship like that .... yet Tongue

Hey there, hello fellow Wall Observer thread poster ...

How significant is it for you?


For me, I've lost everything since last year, but somehow managing to survive ... it's not easy.

I am hoping against hope that maybe perhaps you'd like to help those less fortunate than you.


Dabs

P.S. I don't know if you've read my little story here the past few months.

More recently, Dabs had someone publicly begging on his behalf in the Wall Observer:

archive.ph, Wayback:
[...]

You could donate it to Dabs if you don't want it. As he told me, he is in an uncomfortable financial situation and could use any and all help. Maybe WO should help him out?

Following OP, this thread shall begin with the following posts:

  • Post #2:  My full, unedited PM exchange with Dabs in February 2020.
  • Post #3:  Full quotes of the most relevant public form posts from 2022, which are briefly excerpted above.
  • Post #4:  Reserved to gather any further evidence that may arise.
  • Post #5:  Reserved for my conclusions.  Blank for now; I want to see what other evidence may develop, before taking any trust system action.



In February of 2020, I debated whether or not I should immediately publish these PMs.  I was reluctant to do it.  I decided that I didn’t want to ruin Dabs’ reputation over what may be a one-off, grossly uncharacteristic, ridiculously weak moment.  I felt soft-hearted.  That is always a mistake.

After Dabs’ other known begging came to my attention, I awoke my account on 2022-06-29 primarily because I could not in conscience let this matter rest.  (I waited until 2022-06-29, the beginning of a new activity period, because I wanted to go back to sleep without raising my activity by more than 14.)  I have still procrastinated on dealing with it.  I cannot put it off anymore:  Every day, people are trusting Dabs for both charitable and business purposes without being informed about his sneaky begging on his own behalf.

I encourage anyone else who has received any Dabs begging PMs to post them in this thread.  Same as for any other relevant evidence.  The community has a right to know about this.

Don’t think of Dabs:  Think of the poor, starving children on whose behalf he purports to collect charitable donations.  The community, and Dabs’ donors, should have such information available to analyze and to draw the appropriate conclusions.

Rarely would I ever encourage a big dump of PMs.  In this case, I believe that it is not only justified, but imperative—an ethical necessity.  As a separate issue, I should remind everyone upfront that there is no forum rule against publishing PMs; you will not get in trouble with forum rules for coming forward to inform the public here.

Re: Publicly posting PMs
There is no restriction against it. PM = Personal Message, not Private Message.
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