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January 31, 2020, 03:33:16 PM
My due apologies to the community for my having fallen behind on this thread.  Some recent “attacks” on me sapped the limited forum time which IRL considerations have permitted to me in the past few days.  I see that others have said most of what I would have, anyway—mostly by eddie13 and Lauda.  Funny thing, that!

At this point, for the reasons with which I conclude below, I think that only a few collateral points remain to be addressed—foremost, yahoo’s aspersions cast on the motives for this thread, which seem almost designed to deter others from making honest assessments of such behaviour in the future.

I wasn't going to respond in this thread at first due to the nature of the thread being basically an attack and some attacks require no response.

I am not sure how you could be so mistaken, when I opened with the following statement in OP:

I have no quarrel with yahoo, and I don’t want one.

If you disbelieve that, consider:

  • My sole interest in this topic was and is to call on the community to enforce the highest standards for the most-trusted people.  Consistently with all I said in my OP and followup, if I had mass-tagged Yobit advertisers, I would have started by tagging yahoo62278 first as a matter of principle.  Nobody should get special treatment in such matters.

    It’s hard to miss my own statement of my intentions in OP, which was written at a time when I was preparing imminently to mass-tag numerous ordinary users:

    yahoo62278 cannot expect special treatment.  Indeed, such a highly respected forum member must be held to the highest standards.
  • Although involvement in a competing signature campaign should never disqualify anybody from speaking the truth from sound reason, I am ideally suited to approach such an issue judiciously; for I have no financial interest in any signature campaign.  I have never worn a paid signature.  I have no current or foreseeable future intent to wear a paid signature.  And for those who may be wondering:  I even explicitly disclaimed interest in a Chip slot to DarkStar_.  (I reached out to him, not vice versa—just to let him know that I am genuinely doing that unpaid signature thing to promote privacy, and not as a ploy to inveigle my way into his campaign.)
  • My action in this matter was solely at my own initiative, and neither requested nor suggested by anybody else.  No, not even Lauda.

    Everyone wants to form a lynch mob at Laudas request, feel free.

    That is unfair both to me, and to Lauda.  Lauda did not ask me to create this thread—and in fact, it was Lauda who first asked me to lock it as moot a few days ago.  (It is a suggestion that I did not immediately take, only because unreasonable distractions diverted my attention whilst IRL matters have left me little forum time.)  And though you don’t know me, I surmise that you should probably know Lauda better than to deal her such calumny:

    I know Yahoo better than 99% of you, and the answer is absolutely yes (and this comes from somebody who at our last interaction still considered him a friend - note: nothing changed since other than no direct conversing/split paths).

    As for me, and my habit of principled independent, I am the last one to join any of the lynch mobs which Lauda has no interest in forming:

    Then when I woke up today and logged in I started seeing an agenda of sorts being pushed,

    What agenda, praytell?  If you are accusing me of having any ulterior motive in creating this thread, it would only be fair for you to plainly state what you think it is.

    I did not make vague insinuations about you, yahoo.  I forthrightly stated what I thought you were doing wrong.  Please be likewise fair.



    [url=https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.50692188]This thread was made way back in April of last year [2019] where I asked for community input on a PM I had received regarding managing Yobits campaign. Notice the words used here YOBITS CAMPAIGN. There was no mention of cryptotalk because the forum had not existed yet. So all the members (20+) who said a manager is better then no manager should walk away from this discussion and move on. You spoke your piece in that thread.

    Now let's fast forward to September 2019...

    Then, fast forward to December 24th 2019...

    That line of argument may apply to some others; whereas I, who started this topic, was off the forum from April 2018 to January 2020:  Not posting, not lurking, gone.

    Others have already answered, for their parts, with some more or less different views of the events you describe.  I will now speak for myself:

    You spoke your piece in that thread.

    I didn’t.

    Although, of course, it is impossible to prove what I would have done, anybody who knows me will know that I would have argued against the yahoo-plus-Yobit proposition vehemently in the thread you cite.

    I have some modicum of experience at spamfighting, going back to Usenet in the 90s (n.a.n.a.e., etc.).*  I hate spam, I know the devious ways of spammers, and I would never have accepted the argument that it’s better to let a spammer advertise under the “control” of a reputable manager than to ban the spammer, period.  It is an argument which would have been incinerated with extreme prejudice on n.a.n.a.e., too.

    If some others supported your management of the Yobit campaign, yahoo62278, then yes:  There is some responsibility to be shared for the later results.  However, joint responsibility does not absolve you of personal responsibility.  Not in the first instance—and especially not after the point when it became clear that Yobit was scamming with Ponzis, etc.

    (* Aside, a part of what first drew me toward Lauda is that she reminds me of some of the toughest n.a.n.a.e. regulars.  That was a rough world full of revenge-doxing by spammers, spammers’ death threats, frivolous lawsuit threats, bizarrely stupid smear tactics, etc., plus a constant stream of b.s. excuses and fallacious arguments about a “free speech” right to mass-defecate in your inbox.  I recall one post by n.a.n.a.e. legendary Vernon Schryver who, after a spammer threatened to murder him, casually mentioned some means by which unwelcome visitors could be made to disappear into the acreage at his home in Colorado.  I think he said something about chainsaws, and maybe about his access to a backhoe...  There is nothing new here—actually, this forum is relatively tame.)



    Others have otherwise adequately addressed the substance of yahoo’s statement.



    Once again, ME pointing out this case of hypocrisy in this Yobit campaign is what lead to this thread, and possibly their closing up shop here..

    Wrong.  My creation of this thread had nothing to do with you; if I saw any of your posts when I reviewed all the Yobit threads, I don’t remember them.  The Yobit-related posts which stood out to me personally were by o_e_l_e_o (whose posts on X10/Investbox first brought my attention to this issue), JollyGood, Lauda, and a few others.

    You have made some excellent posts in this thread; and if you have been pushing the same issue, I applaud you for that.  Now, please don’t try to take credit for my independent decision that I should dare to damn the consequences, stand up, and say, This is a yahoo issue before it is an issue of all the people following his lead, who must then be duly dealt with.

    (And it worked, if I do say so myself.)

    You're all welcome for my fine community services of questioning hypocrisy at great risk to my own reputation to keep DT straight.

    Hey, “you’re welcome” for mine.  (And look at my reputation now:  I just noticed that suchmoon almost simultaneously opposed me in this thread and in TECSHARE’s thread against me, after never having had any significant conflict with me before.  Do you think that’s right, eddie?)



    The foregoing needed to be said; and the past five pages hold much discussion that I should wish to reply to.  However, I agree with this—all of it, eddie13 as well as Lauda:

    @Lauda @nullius
    The campaign is over.. It's been shut down..
    All of this fuss has been a fair warning to not advertise scams or facilitate the advertisement of scams..
    I think it should be let go for now, with no tags, but not next time..
    I'm fine with that as an ending resolution, but you and I both know that there's no "not next time" but "it depends who manages and is recruited in the next one". The same as it was with this one. I don't see much support for a "not next time".

    Was the money worth it to dishonor yourself so?
    The end.

    I am hereby locking this thread on grounds of “mission accomplished”.

    If anybody has anything important to say specifically on the topic of “yahoo62278 and Yobit”, please PM me a request for a temporary unlock.  In particular, if yahoo wants to reply to what I have said above, then it would be unfair of me to just take the last word.  But barring any new developments, I have no desire to carry this thread further.  The topic title is “yahoo62278 and Yobit”—whereas yahoo62278 is neither managing nor advertising Yobit right now.  And as I said one week ago:

    Though I would not be deterred by the inevitability of drama, I don’t want the drama—and if I did, Faketoshi has more of it anyway, with the added “benefit” of being so much slimier and more disgusting.
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January 31, 2020, 02:53:36 PM
The problem however was (and still is) the lack of general consensus. If there was a uniformed stance against Yobit nothing would have made me happier and if there will be a uniformed stance for all present and future scams then it would be a great way to proceed.

Yobit is not a clear-cut enough example of a "scam" for general consensus to be made easily on the situation.. (sorry, but it isn't)
A less debatable example of a "scam", like a proven ponzi, will get all tagged up before their is even time to debate about it..

I see this changing nothing as president going forward from here, but this as actually a good example of the community finding a conclusion..

This debate is probably responsible for the stopping of the Yobit campaign, and their has been plenty of exposure of the many examples of shadiness all around..
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January 31, 2020, 02:26:22 PM
~snip~

While I am not a particular fan of Yahoo, I think he has some self control issues, but I don't think any of this was about hating on Yahoo. This was more about the fact that people are running around tagging a bunch of lower ranked users aimlessly but giving Yahoo a pass even though he ran the same campaign. I think this is a great example of the arbitrary and selective enforcement used in the trust system, and why we shouldn't be tagging anyone unless we can establish clear and objective standards regarding what is worthy of a tag. It is a pretty widely accepted legal standard that unless a person is made aware that a specific act is a crime, they shouldn't be penalized for it. It is a bit like police making up secret rules as they go that you are subject to. What could go wrong there?

Well I was told that yahoo62278 was effectively requested by the general consensus to take the role of Yobit campaign manager in order to bring some control and order to the chaos after Yobit was allowed to return to the forum. In the end it seems there was an option of allowing Yobit to run-riot therefore an out of control scenario where spammers would have taken over but a campaign manager did manage to help reduce spam.

Where some have decided to take issue with matters was when yahoo62278 himself started displaying the Yobit banner along with when the initial cryptotalk forum campaign he was getting involved with transitioned in to x10 investbox and then in to $700 YoDollar campaign. it was after all pointed out that he did get paid for the job and was not operating for free. And as another user asked above, was it worth it for yahoo62278 concerning the possible damage to the reputation to get involved with Yobit?

Regarding clear objective standards to ascertain what might be worthy of a tag - I agree with you entirely. The problem however was (and still is) the lack of general consensus. If there was a uniformed stance against Yobit nothing would have made me happier and if there will be a uniformed stance for all present and future scams then it would be a great way to proceed.
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January 31, 2020, 02:02:26 PM
#99

Nobody is above the lure of money/ power. Everybody has a price. It just depends on the level you are at.


Everybody doesn't have a price.

I'll go with a braindead example: How much money would you ask to kill your own mother? How much do you think they offered theymos to leave the forum to Roger Ver? What is your answer? Not enough?

Maybe It will come as a surprise to you, but some people do what they do just because they think it is the right thing.
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January 31, 2020, 01:58:51 PM
#98
My argument is guilt via association regardless of what Yobit did is a completely arbitrary distinction, and that is the source of endless conflict. Lets stick to burning people at the stake one at the time at least people, please?

Would you be against tagging accounts that were advertising "24 Hour Bitcoin Doubler - Just Send To This Address" in their signatures, and refused to remove it after a warning?
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January 31, 2020, 01:51:45 PM
#97
When I seen the new sigs and seen a good amounts of comments regarding them, I contacted Yobit and told them changes needed to be made.

They changed the sigs (which is when I started wearing the signature code) and everything looked to be fine. I would not have been ok with the investbox staying

So.. They tried pulling a quick one on the forum to advertise what is generally accepted to be a "scam".. At the very least in my opinion a predatory investment scheme to scoop up the money from idiots..

This was obviously a big problem as even you yourself contacted them to change it.. It sparked outrage in the community did it not?

So they change it to something pointing less directly to their "scam", you put it on and wear it proudly, and then "everything looked to be fine"..

All was right in the world once again.. Yobit was no longer a disrespectful spam financier or scammer/predator as soon as they changed their 100% unacceptable signature..
Everything is fine..

I mean.. You make so much money here, and are such a respected member here, one would think that you may have some loyalty and devotion to this forum, but then you personally advertise for a company that does all it can to pay for as much spam as they can get away with here to advertise as close to their best scam as they can get away with,
The logic is quite simple. Yahoo has been an active, successful manager. There was a time when he was the only one managing campaigns and his judgement has almost always been based on the commercial aspect. Keeping track of money is almost always easier than maintaining a stand when it comes to things like honor, loyalty, work-ethic etc etc which Lauda, Nullius etc are trying to shove down everyone's throats...

Yahoo's claims about becoming the Yobit manager so the campaign got cleaned up may hold some weight but he was not doing it for free. I wore the signature myself initially as it was pay per post. I hadn't worn a signature for a long time as i did not fulfill the background needed mostly. I removed it a week or two later. When the X10 thing happened, that is when Yahoo could have taken a stand instead of enabling/ managing them. It comes down to the question that should the seemingly well known/ respected members be held to a higher standard?

Personally i think Yahoo is a decent manager and he spends a lot of time managing these campaigns and it maybe a big operation for him. It'd be all fine if he was treated just that way. A good money manager. All this pretense about him being a respectable member and having done a lot for the forum should be dropped. (amplified by all the people fawning over him to get into his campaigns, which is something he should probably try to discourage). This is just another one of the instances when people doing business at the forum have shown that it is money that matters to them over the ambiguities of taking a stand or being the bigger person. An instance i myself know about is when he almost tried to wrangle an upstart by catching a "bug" he already knew about.

Nobody is above the lure of money/ power. Everybody has a price. It just depends on the level you are at. DT was probably meant to be a sort of group of conscience-keepers but with the current system it is always going to be about letting people make their own decisions and let it play out. I would prefer if it maintained some semblance of ethics and was free from the effects of commerce. We can dream, right?

I like the way in which you articulated your point. There were and are lots of questions raised regarding exactly what was going on during that period but yahoo62278 did rid the spammers and low-level quality posters that were simply posting to increase their post count for the sake of getting paid courtesy of their Yobit signature. Does that negate everything else related to Yobit? The answer is subjective and highly contentious.

In my most humble of opinion, the failure of DT members to get to grips with Yobit and their campaign should be considered a watershed moment for the forum but the lack of agreement will only allow for other scams to be promoted here in future without a care in the world because nobody is above the lure of money as you rightly stated. The petty squabbling over whether all of Yobit was a scam if just the x10 was a ponzi scheme, did not help the situation. I read arguments for and against Yobit banners being allowed in the forum and read lots of posts where users were expressing their views about tagging all or some users displaying just x10 or all Yobit banners.

Sadly in the future the lack of consensus surrounding the next scam or any return of Yobit will only continue the infighting between members here.



I agree 100% with this post. My argument is guilt via association regardless of what Yobit did is a completely arbitrary distinction, and that is the source of endless conflict. Lets stick to burning people at the stake one at the time at least people, please?
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January 31, 2020, 01:40:37 PM
#96
When I seen the new sigs and seen a good amounts of comments regarding them, I contacted Yobit and told them changes needed to be made.

They changed the sigs (which is when I started wearing the signature code) and everything looked to be fine. I would not have been ok with the investbox staying

So.. They tried pulling a quick one on the forum to advertise what is generally accepted to be a "scam".. At the very least in my opinion a predatory investment scheme to scoop up the money from idiots..

This was obviously a big problem as even you yourself contacted them to change it.. It sparked outrage in the community did it not?

So they change it to something pointing less directly to their "scam", you put it on and wear it proudly, and then "everything looked to be fine"..

All was right in the world once again.. Yobit was no longer a disrespectful spam financier or scammer/predator as soon as they changed their 100% unacceptable signature..
Everything is fine..

I mean.. You make so much money here, and are such a respected member here, one would think that you may have some loyalty and devotion to this forum, but then you personally advertise for a company that does all it can to pay for as much spam as they can get away with here to advertise as close to their best scam as they can get away with,
The logic is quite simple. Yahoo has been an active, successful manager. There was a time when he was the only one managing campaigns and his judgement has almost always been based on the commercial aspect. Keeping track of money is almost always easier than maintaining a stand when it comes to things like honor, loyalty, work-ethic etc etc which Lauda, Nullius etc are trying to shove down everyone's throats...

Yahoo's claims about becoming the Yobit manager so the campaign got cleaned up may hold some weight but he was not doing it for free. I wore the signature myself initially as it was pay per post. I hadn't worn a signature for a long time as i did not fulfill the background needed mostly. I removed it a week or two later. When the X10 thing happened, that is when Yahoo could have taken a stand instead of enabling/ managing them. It comes down to the question that should the seemingly well known/ respected members be held to a higher standard?

Personally i think Yahoo is a decent manager and he spends a lot of time managing these campaigns and it maybe a big operation for him. It'd be all fine if he was treated just that way. A good money manager. All this pretense about him being a respectable member and having done a lot for the forum should be dropped. (amplified by all the people fawning over him to get into his campaigns, which is something he should probably try to discourage). This is just another one of the instances when people doing business at the forum have shown that it is money that matters to them over the ambiguities of taking a stand or being the bigger person. An instance i myself know about is when he almost tried to wrangle an upstart by catching a "bug" he already knew about.

Nobody is above the lure of money/ power. Everybody has a price. It just depends on the level you are at. DT was probably meant to be a sort of group of conscience-keepers but with the current system it is always going to be about letting people make their own decisions and let it play out. I would prefer if it maintained some semblance of ethics and was free from the effects of commerce. We can dream, right?

I like the way in which you articulated your point. There were and are lots of questions raised regarding exactly what was going on during that period but yahoo62278 did rid the spammers and low-level quality posters that were simply posting to increase their post count for the sake of getting paid courtesy of their Yobit signature. Does that negate everything else related to Yobit? The answer is subjective and highly contentious.

In my most humble of opinion, the failure of DT members to get to grips with Yobit and their campaign should be considered a watershed moment for the forum but the lack of agreement will only allow for other scams to be promoted here in future without a care in the world because nobody is above the lure of money as you rightly stated (there are exceptions to the rule). The petty squabbling over whether all of Yobit was a scam if just the x10 was a ponzi scheme, did not help the situation. I read arguments for and against Yobit banners being allowed in the forum and read lots of posts where users were expressing their views about tagging all or some users displaying just x10 or all Yobit banners.

Sadly in the future the lack of consensus surrounding the next scam or any return of Yobit will only continue the infighting between members here.

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January 31, 2020, 12:04:34 PM
#95
Do you think this discussion should end here and this topic should be locked, Nullius  Roll Eyes  We have achieved the final result as Lauda said
We have looked the other way, and will do nothing. That was the indirect consensus that was reached.
The problem of Yahoo and Yobit has ended, there is no reason for this topic to continue to be bumped by such boring analysis or silly posts as above.

This thread was started on January 23, 2020 and lucky the campaign ending was announced soon after that and the campaign was offline on Jan 27,2020. If the campaign was still continue, people might thought otherwise but now since the campaign has ended, the Yobit haters have been half cooled down and the intensity is quite less now.

While I am not a particular fan of Yahoo, I think he has some self control issues, but I don't think any of this was about hating on Yahoo. This was more about the fact that people are running around tagging a bunch of lower ranked users aimlessly but giving Yahoo a pass even though he ran the same campaign. I think this is a great example of the arbitrary and selective enforcement used in the trust system, and why we shouldn't be tagging anyone unless we can establish clear and objective standards regarding what is worthy of a tag. It is a pretty widely accepted legal standard that unless a person is made aware that a specific act is a crime, they shouldn't be penalized for it. It is a bit like police making up secret rules as they go that you are subject to. What could go wrong there?
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January 31, 2020, 11:30:38 AM
#94
Do you think this discussion should end here and this topic should be locked, Nullius  Roll Eyes  We have achieved the final result as Lauda said
We have looked the other way, and will do nothing. That was the indirect consensus that was reached.
The problem of Yahoo and Yobit has ended, there is no reason for this topic to continue to be bumped by such boring analysis or silly posts as above.

This thread was started on January 23, 2020 and lucky the campaign ending was announced soon after that and the campaign was offline on Jan 27,2020. If the campaign was still continue, people might thought otherwise but now since the campaign has ended, the Yobit haters have been half cooled down and the intensity is quite less now.
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January 31, 2020, 10:28:51 AM
#93
Do you think this discussion should end here and this topic should be locked, Nullius  Roll Eyes  We have achieved the final result as Lauda said
We have looked the other way, and will do nothing. That was the indirect consensus that was reached.
The problem of Yahoo and Yobit has ended, there is no reason for this topic to continue to be bumped by such boring analysis or silly posts as above.
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January 31, 2020, 02:53:30 AM
#92
When I seen the new sigs and seen a good amounts of comments regarding them, I contacted Yobit and told them changes needed to be made.

They changed the sigs (which is when I started wearing the signature code) and everything looked to be fine. I would not have been ok with the investbox staying

So.. They tried pulling a quick one on the forum to advertise what is generally accepted to be a "scam".. At the very least in my opinion a predatory investment scheme to scoop up the money from idiots..

This was obviously a big problem as even you yourself contacted them to change it.. It sparked outrage in the community did it not?

So they change it to something pointing less directly to their "scam", you put it on and wear it proudly, and then "everything looked to be fine"..

All was right in the world once again.. Yobit was no longer a disrespectful spam financier or scammer/predator as soon as they changed their 100% unacceptable signature..
Everything is fine..

I mean.. You make so much money here, and are such a respected member here, one would think that you may have some loyalty and devotion to this forum, but then you personally advertise for a company that does all it can to pay for as much spam as they can get away with here to advertise as close to their best scam as they can get away with,
The logic is quite simple. Yahoo has been an active, successful manager. There was a time when he was the only one managing campaigns and his judgement has almost always been based on the commercial aspect. Keeping track of money is almost always easier than maintaining a stand when it comes to things like honor, loyalty, work-ethic etc etc which Lauda, Nullius etc are trying to shove down everyone's throats...

Yahoo's claims about becoming the Yobit manager so the campaign got cleaned up may hold some weight but he was not doing it for free. I wore the signature myself initially as it was pay per post. I hadn't worn a signature for a long time as i did not fulfill the background needed mostly. I removed it a week or two later. When the X10 thing happened, that is when Yahoo could have taken a stand instead of enabling/ managing them. It comes down to the question that should the seemingly well known/ respected members be held to a higher standard?

Personally i think Yahoo is a decent manager and he spends a lot of time managing these campaigns and it maybe a big operation for him. It'd be all fine if he was treated just that way. A good money manager. All this pretense about him being a respectable member and having done a lot for the forum should be dropped. (amplified by all the people fawning over him to get into his campaigns, which is something he should probably try to discourage). This is just another one of the instances when people doing business at the forum have shown that it is money that matters to them over the ambiguities of taking a stand or being the bigger person. An instance i myself know about is when he almost tried to wrangle an upstart by catching a "bug" he already knew about.

Nobody is above the lure of money/ power. Everybody has a price. It just depends on the level you are at. DT was probably meant to be a sort of group of conscience-keepers but with the current system it is always going to be about letting people make their own decisions and let it play out. I would prefer if it maintained some semblance of ethics and was free from the effects of commerce. We can dream, right?
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January 30, 2020, 06:03:28 PM
#91
In several recent posts, I have vaguely alluded to quiet, behind-the-scenes preparations that I was making to take on the Yobit scam.  My planning was preempted by such public outrage as has been brewing for months, but only broke forth with force within the past 24 hours.

For my part, I am sick of seeing the Yobit scam-company not only advertised, but inexplicably advertised by many decent, otherwise respectable posters.  This last is a significant problem for the health of the forum, insofar as it gives the Yobit ads more credibility than garden-variety sigspam.  And I know that I am not the only one who wants to stop this!

But my planning on this point ran into a significant problem.

Whilst catching up and researching the topic, I noticed that yahoo62278 is currently wearing a Yobit ad.  On the basis of mere common sense, I doubt that that is for the principal purpose of receiving direct payment for the ad; that would be relative chump change for someone whom I reasonably infer must have a long-term business relationship with Yobit.

yahoo62278’s own profile “Yobit Yodollars” signature has the effect of making it wrongly socially acceptable to advertise a scam site; and as a practical matter, others wearing Yobit ads now cannot be tagged without, in fairness, also tagging yahoo62278, plus potentially ~excluding him to help support a mass-tagging action.

I have no quarrel with yahoo, and I don’t want one.  However, the Yobit scam advertising must be stopped one way or another; and whereas I recently said that Yobit advertisers will make their own choices and bear their own consequences, yahoo62278 cannot expect special treatment.  Indeed, such a highly respected forum member must be held to the highest standards.

yahoo62278’s general dealings with Yobit, and the impact thereof on this forum, may present further issues.  I will simply start with the foregoing.



Note:  Archive sites are misbehaving from where I sit.  I think that my pertinent snapshots will eventually show up; I may thereupon edit this post to add appropriate links, and/or to add other links.  Of course, if I substantively edit this, I will first archive it.

Local rules:  To be moderated in my sound discretion.  I believe that in the foregoing, I have set an appropriate tone for addressing a serious problem involving a widely trusted forum member.

This idea from nullius more sensible. All person promote are bad or none are bad. I agree this one of his red trust.
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January 30, 2020, 01:09:24 PM
#90
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Anyway, I still believe that voting will create a fair outcome. There are thousands of people on this forum, how many people do you think are Yahoo's friends  Huh Apart from him being respected by many people here, I don't think he has many friends. Therefore, theoretically, the voting rate is still fairly fair  Cheesy
Voting with random users is useless. Hundreds were being paid from the campaign, thus are direct benefactors and would vote for him. The voting that I was referring to is a vote of consensus between DT1 members, and even there it would be very difficult to win such a vote. It does no longer matter. We have looked the other way, and will do nothing. That was the indirect consensus that was reached.


@Lauda @nullius
The campaign is over.. It's been shut down..
All of this fuss has been a fair warning to not advertise scams or facilitate the advertisement of scams..
I think it should be let go for now, with no tags, but not next time..
I'm fine with that as an ending resolution, but you and I both know that there's no "not next time" but "it depends who manages and is recruited in the next one". The same as it was with this one. I don't see much support for a "not next time".

Was the money worth it to dishonor yourself so?
The end.
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January 30, 2020, 10:18:08 AM
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Anyway, I still believe that voting will create a fair outcome. There are thousands of people on this forum, how many people do you think are Yahoo's friends  Huh Apart from him being respected by many people here, I don't think he has many friends. Therefore, theoretically, the voting rate is still fairly fair  Cheesy

EDIT: If the obstacle isvotes from people who participated in Yobit campaign, it should be discarded. This might be a bit of a trouble, but it should be a manual vote by posting in your thread. You can ignore easily  the votes from Yobit posters
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January 29, 2020, 11:48:01 PM
#88
I don't think there is any law of the forum or DTs that allows such a universally punishable act here,
What I am advocating for has always been a standard practice in DT. Just because people choose to look the other way at past ratings that confirm this, and look the other way because it is Yahoo, is not my problem.

so if you [Lauda] don't want that 'next time' to happen and if it happens, will tag even the campaign manager with all the involved users - why don't you open a poll for DTs to support you on that law which you are trying to enforce here right now?
I've thought about that before, and it's a very naive proposal when you think about it. Do you really think that people who are financially motivated to vote against my "proposal" are going to vote for it even if it is just? Do you think that Yahoo's friends will vote for my proposal even if it is just? Give me a break. This is one of the fundamental flaws in democracy, which this system most closely now resembles to.
legendary
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January 29, 2020, 06:23:54 PM
#87
Let the one who has no forum campaign sin throw the first stone at Yahoo Tongue
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January 29, 2020, 05:56:54 PM
#86
Some one try to make bad reputation other bounty campaign manager like yahoo62278, You have show your self is recommendation bounty campaign manager without make sense with talking the other bad manager, if their campaign still running and paid on the time whats going on.
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January 29, 2020, 03:53:07 PM
#84
How do you explain that hundreds of members are wearing the signature for free if they dislike Yobit and think it's a shady exchange?
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January 29, 2020, 03:24:48 PM
#83
will tag even the campaign manager with all the involved users

It happens from time to time in "slam-dunk" cases..
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