Topic: DaDice.com - Next Gen Social Gambling Dice Experience | Progressive Jackpot - page 90. (Read 257856 times)

I undestood Marcos question that way, that he wanted to know if any site profit was used for the campaign, which I just proved. while you claim some initial budget was solely used for that.

maybe I understood Marcos wrong.

lol you understand a shit about dice sites

Our investors are earning funds according to their share of the bankroll if one is losing, as leen did. So they earned of course their share of her loss. Other way around a few day earlier, when she won 18 btc.

And all of it was dadice's profit? None went to the investors? I could be wrong, just clearing this up .

Leen divested her investment more than 2 weeks ago, gambled and lost it all. So it was our money in this wallet, wasn't it. All the regular guys in our chat can confirm that, since she was crying there for hours how she could do something like this. On another not the same leen was winning 18btc with one bet at dadice just a week before that incident and withdrew all. That can also be confirmed by our regulars - or herself. As the other poster just confirmed, we are the only dice site with transparent statistics.

How dooglus rolls:

1. "hey! I am not saying they are not trustworty!!"
2. "hey! I am not saying they are a ponzi!!!"
3. "hey! I am not saying they would scam!!!"
4. "hey! I am always wrong at predicting future but I wouldn't give it up, why should I?"
5. "hey! I don't think they will run away with funds but they still could??"

..."I will still leave a negative trust here, eventhough I don't think they are not trustworthy"

https://i.imgur.com/9BvvhNK.png

I'll let Bit-X know .

people just want to be sure that you are not a scammer (as happened with dice.ninja and the new saw dice) and your behavior lets them think that you might be another runner

Ask your boss first to prove their funds. You should know that they are currently the most shady exchange existing, more then btc-e, who have the benefit of being online for a long time.

I'm not trolling. They seem to think that "we have honoured all withdrawals so far" somehow proves that they aren't insolvent. It doesn't, as can be seen by the fact that it is used by Ponzi schemes, who are by definition insolvent.

I'm not good at staying away, sorry. I don't know if you are growing or not, and I'm not bothered whether you are or not.

I didn't say you were a Ponzi scheme. I said that your "so far we are still allowing withdrawals" argument is typical of Ponzi schemes.

I know what a Ponzi scheme is, thanks.

Interesting, quoting for the moment to re-read.

Looks like you're right..

That's one way to turn away potential users. Simple thing to do: prove you have funds. No loss if you do so but big potential gains if you do so. Now if you don't do it.. (result is what's happening here).

that's not true, according to my bad blockchain analysis skills  

if I follow leen93's deposit adress https://blockchain.info/nl/address/163AuXNC62gX9wBeNN5FVb6Z9H2BeNYjfZ

it leeds me to the individual cold wallet you had set up for him https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1PmDaczwNg2QUyj5j8kFHNP53H44LR74nS

that adress got split up into two adress, one being https://blockchain.info/nl/address/1AHqRysFp6DrcMRZ2Su1ish8gLC2SJH7cm

which was used a few days ago to fund the sig campaign adress under devthedevs control https://blockchain.info/nl/address/13tcm29K3N39uSsiDRLN9aQwLdvA9zFWJv

edit: post of leen93 confirming his deposit adress https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11399414

There's no point leaving feedback after a site has run off with everyone's coins and shut down. The time to warn people is before it's too late, not after.


I can't speak for anyone else, but the reason I didn't leave feedback for btcbook.eu is that this is the very first time I heard of them. It's not my job to make sure I leave negative feedback for every dodgy site out there. If I see something suspicious, I mention it. DaDice's behaviour seems suspicious to me, so I mentioned it.


I don't think anyone can know yet whether DaDice is going to scam their players or not. There's no proof either way. I can't say it's a scam, and I don't think you can be sure that it isn't. DaDice probably gets more attention because they pay to have more attention. There's probably nobody on this forum who hasn't seen a DaDice ad whereas btcbook.eu are relatively obscure.

I am sadened  to see that fact that this debate is never ending one, why? because of vendettas for some, and personal grudges or envious feelings for rest. It is exactly like driving around a roundabout now, which takes you no where?

There have been a lot of posts since I was here last time, so Instead of quoting them all individually, I will try to write a collective answer.

What do they want?

Its clear that more number of posts here are from either competitive casino owners, their co-owners or private investors. (Dah! sure! investing in public is a whole different animal isn't?) and their agenda is nothing but to slander Da Dice. I mean Exactly what proves that Da Dice is going to scam in future?. If you look at the odds for a second, OK! you say Da Dice doesn't have the funds it claims! I say OK! but what about those who does have the funds they claim? What is stopping them from running away and scamming their own investors? NOTHING! underline that, NOTHING!. Does NLNico, Dooglus offers their personal assurance in this matter? NONE! again underline my words there: NONE! PrimeDice, PocketRocketCasino, BitDice, MoneyPot vault all have equally or more odds of scamming before Da Dice does. I mean only an "stubborn idiot" will deny the fact that funds in cold storage are vulnerable as if they were in ordinary wallet of any program's admin either having proved solvency or not!.


..."It doesn't prove anything about trustworthiness."... which concurs my point above.


This "WE" from Nico speaks a thousand words! it reflects a vendetta and ganging up mind-set! You know what? Nevermind! I demand no explaination there, don't bother.

... There and back again! Let me explain about cold wallet here.


I don't how proud Nico is while posting an re-posting the same thing over and over again. I have already answered in my post before that PRC took about 8-10 months, BitDice took 6 months and MoneyPot had been accepting "private investors" since October 2014 or even before while cold storage is from 10th april 2015 (I know I know we've been over this, since it was a private bankroll, it didn't need a cold storage / proof of solvency) but our dear dooglus (whome I still respect) still had invested there and was one of their private investors back in 2014. Trust me I can keep going on about this, SatoshiDice might be since 2012 but both of their cold storage addresses signed and announced last month (April 2015), SafeDice the wallet is there since November 2014 but it was never announced in forums, nor I can find "any evidence" of having it published anywhere on internet before, I even tried the "waybackmachine".

It is not the cold storage that bothers Nico, before this it was some other technical issues, before that it was something else... and its all documented in main Da Dice thread.

Now lets address: Trust Issues...

I apologise but since the roots of this one goes back to dooglus, I have to quote doog here.


yet negative trust was added. I don't care why doog still defends it, when he has also admitted by saying "I'm not claiming they are doing anything wrong.... It still obviously wouldn't stop them from being able to steal everyone's coins, but it would at least instil extra confidence in potential investors."[/i]


Mr. dooglus I know that you have not accused da dice of being an scam. You are may be making yet another "prediction"  by pointing out yet another "potential scam"... (which, in your own words, has more chances of being completely way off beam!)

Now my question is When they are not accepting any public investors any more, how come they can turn scam? By not honouring withdrawals? right? right? Well you will never know until you find a real such case here and again the odds of this happening here is same as any other site. If you don't believe me just go to google and type "PrimeDice scam", "Just-dice Scam", "PockRocketCasino Scam"... I am not sure if "Da Dice scam" are indexed yet by google or not lol. Most of them will link you back to BCT and OPs are not what they call "shill" accounts, they are also from members having "Hero" ranks and no negative trust... (I know I know for fact that JD and PD are not scams, I still have my faith in you doog!!!)

As I said before, I know doog you're concerned for health of bitcoin dice/gambling industry, but so far all your concerns are merely accusations, allegations and speculations which renders your negative trust totally baseless. I am not saying you remove it, all I am saying is that I leave it upto your wisdom p.s. One casino owner gives a negative trust rating to another casino owner... I mean come on guys!

Bankroll Issue

Nothing much to say here, since I will be quoting Nico and Doog here again so I will rather not do that and simply go ahead with my answer: Since the investment option is now private, primarly factor here is that bankroll amount does NOT concern you and general public anymore. For all we know, they can decrease there bankroll to 150 BTC anytime or either increase it to 1000 BTC when they find necessary. The max-payout issue is now none of the concern of general public? Let me give you an example,,, Stunna and his PD. Stunna has used the term "bankroll" numerious times which reflects they also have a bankroll which they have choosen to hide. (Unless a dooglus has done a private audit for PrimeDice lol) there max payout used to be 40 BTC, after some unfortunate incidents its also 20 BTC there... what is the difference in PD and DD now? One chooses to hide its bankroll while other one has made its bankroll private now but still hopes to come back and take investors in future so still shows the bankroll amount.

Conclusion for everyone: Da Dice doesn't want to show you their books! period! since the bankroll is now private, max payout amount is also none of anybodys concern. Read my above post once again please.

Isn't everyone doing a little unjust?

* Da Dice as far as I know is the only site which "officially" provides real-time statistics site.
* Da Dice as far as I know is the only site that provides complete transparency in users related statistics. You can literally see there how much a USER has DEPOSITED, WITHDRAWN, CALIMED FROM FAUCET, WAGERED, PAYOUTS, TIPS SENT, TIPS RECEIVED, NUMBER OF DOWNLINES, REF. COMMISSION EARNED...
* Email notifications on various events to ensure Da Dice can do no wrong. (Some programs have been known to send large bitcoin to wrong addresses) with email notification there is a proof of action on various events.
* Personalised daily gameplay reports via email.

Other dice owners should follow this example first and provide complete TRANSPARENCY such as that so we can also see and learn more about their users and site's efficiency. Don't match one of two items from above, I am talking about the whole thing. Yes! Da Dice still doesn't want to justify its solvency or show you the its books but it still provides more transparency then any other dice site. Reckon that!

Shill Accounts?

Keeping it real comprehensive: BitcoinTalk is merely a minor component of Bitcoin industry, but Bitcoin industry is not Bitcointalk!!! So when a new user comes it doesn't necessarily mean they are the shill accounts. This should be enough for any smart fellow.

Just a minor amendment... Number of "shill accounts" in favour or Da Dice still doesn't beat the number of "shill accounts" bashing / slandering Da Dice.

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Alright guys! The whole "whore show" must come to an end now, enough bashing Da Dice, pack up your knieves and hammer and come back next time Da Dice invites you to invest publically without proving >solvency< --- I know I know everyone is thrilled with rapid development at Da Dice, its fast popularity, huge marketing campaigns and giveaways as even one of the criticizer here admitted he has been paid 1 BTC or more by Da Dice but they still don't want to show you their books! And after investment option is gone, you have no right to ask for it!

(I am really really hurt to admit this but:)Dean did the "right" thing by leaving this discussion. Rest should follow his example and spend their time more productively on their own sites now.

Remember "innocent until proven guilty, NOT the other way around."

so to conclude this: ONLY TIME WILL TELL, THERE ARE 2 GROUPS NATURALLY, ONE THAT SUPPORTS DA DICE AND OTHER THAT SPREADS FUD, ULTIMATE CONCLUSIONS OF THIS WHOLE DEBATE WILL BE "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" BY EITHER SIDE. BUT NOW IS NOT THE TIME Again, Everyone, Your valued time could be spend more productively (of course unless there are financial/corporate interests in keep bashing Da Dice without any concrete evidence).[/size]

Now that this guy is off default trust and the damage he can do to people's reputations with his nonsense is limited, I'm starting to love him for the lolz.

This is fun.  "Okay, you're not a ponzi, but the comparison is accurate".  Hey, quickseller, take a quick logic lesson: P &!P is the definition of absurdity.IMO your O isn't worth very much these days and the more you go on, the less people are paying attention.   In recent months you've shown yourself to be a highly-volatile self-promoting egomaniac with a penchant for quick-moves and little forethought.  You get so thrilled to call someone out, especially someone you're mad at, that you post nonsense scam accusations and then have to embarrasingly backpedal all the while claiming "ahem, well, it's most likely that, I think that probably, in my opinion, the OP may not have scammed but would have scammed if it had been a Tuesday and we were just lucky that it was a Wednesday but I will catch him next time..." or those kinds of things.  Now that you can't hurt people with this shit, it's actually kind of entertaining.FTFY.  All dice sites take profit if a high-roller shows up and loses. All take losses if a high-roller shows up and wins. Running a dice site != Scamming.

Well just calculate together what we have spent by now, just for marketing Not too bad for a 'dead' site isn't it. Again, we give a shit about your, or dogs or dogdybrothers concerns here, comprende? You are not our lifeline - our 9,265 members are!

We started as a commercial dice site, not a 'hobby business' like all the others started as. Me and my partners have invested significant funds into this venture and will continue to do so in the months to come. End of story. We don't have to prove nothing, especially not in this forum. Who doesn't like us is welcome to stay away

DaDice is not a ponzi. However the comparison between your site and a ponzi are accurate. People understand the ponzi analogy because there have been so many Bitcoin ponzis.

IMO it is pretty clear that your site is a scam at this point. You claim to have this massive bankroll, offer huge max bets, yet all the evidence points to you having significantly less then that, maybe 5 BTC or so.

After all of your expenses, all it would take is one or two high rollers to be on your site at the same time for you to be able to profit after scamming.

To fair, it's also exactly what every honest person says who pays and plans to continue to pay.  It's not logical to act like pointing to a solid reputation is an indicator of guilt.

To be honest, I think that the fair, well-meaning advice for everyone to caveat emptor when dealing with dadice was quite fair.  But I think turning that into a continual harping, and now trolling is pretty shameful.