[DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too - page 269.

[Tycho]

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Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 11:14:06 AM

Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 10:09:16 AM

Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout. It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.

I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere. =/

If you are using phoenix miner, please try Poclbm or Poclbm-gui to see if it works or not.
Looks like phoenix still can't fix some bugs in their/twister's network code.
Also i'll send you a PM about how to try to mine on my USA server.

Veldy

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Another reason that deepbit.net is drawing people is that you don't have to wait for the 120 confirmations of a winning block to get your reward paid out [people love immediate gratification]. Also, long polling is significant. One other point is that up until the recent hack fix made by slush, the payouts and website would suddenly cease to work until he manually intervened.

Just my 0.02BTC worth

marcus_of_augustus

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Quote from: marcus_of_augustus on May 05, 2011, 04:38:27 PM

BTCMine is back open for registration on certain conditions ... ie if he can verify you are not a botnet herder Cheesy

http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4251.320

I think we need to grow BTCMine now, he is doing a good service over there ... not sure if [Tycho] is okay with me saying that here but it is better for bitcoin network stability to not have too big of a central (single) point of failure.

Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.

I've been trying to explain this for a while now. It seems no one cares. They are all concerned with being in the biggest pool, forgetting what makes Bitcoin secure to begin with. I wonder if the large pool operators have considered this. The bigger their pool, the more money they make. But if the system is easily exploitable, no one will be making any money at all.

If I was a government goon, I would certainly go after the big pool operators first. Either bribe or threaten them to do what I want. Of course, we don't need to worry about governments, right? Bitcoin doesn't threaten them in the slightest.

I think all the pool operators are doing a great job. But the security of Bitcoin is more of a concern to me.

Yeah, but the perceived economic incentive with the big pool is steady payouts. BUT, if you are in it for the long term and have some good sized hash power BTCMine is actually a better economic choice right now because it has zero fees and the variance will even out quite quickly if you have enough power ... also I think deepbit.net grew quite big recently because a lot of newbs showed up and the OCN guide just showed them how to connect to deepbit.net so that is what they did ... after a while some will figure out where they fit in and how which pool suits which the way they mine ... night-time, daytime, class-time, all the time ...

I started on slush but then moved to deepbit when he had only 15 JiggaHash to help him grow, now I like to gamble some time on BTCMine and help him grow, maybe to catch a run wahoo! or blow some of my cluster time on nothingness booooo ... and if I have other things to do for days I just leave it running on slush or deepbit and the meter ticks over nicely ... its all good.

slurch

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I have been inexplicably paid. Tongue

The pool just sent out .27 BTC for me. Odd, since I have my threshold set at 1 and just took yesterday's payoff about 2 hours ago. Not that I'm complaining.

marcus_of_augustus

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Deepbit.net is just getting scary BIG!!! Almost a super-computer class hasher on its own now! kinda cool too though.

Veldy

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Quote from: zoro on May 05, 2011, 01:03:27 PM

i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...

With all that hashing power, you probably should be working a smaller pool [or solo mining]. BTCMine comes to mind right out of the gate. Registration is closed, but send a message and you can probably get in there. I am just trying to get existing "dead" rigs revived to the point of hitting 1GH/s ;-) .... currently running one card at 366MH/s, so I have some way to go.

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Quote from: keybaud on May 05, 2011, 03:39:37 PM

I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?

Account password is not the same as worker password.

Thanks. I've now found the worker and changed that password.

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I've changed my password on the login page over an hour ago and I can login with it to check my account, but I still have to use the old password with the miner. Are there 2 separate passwords or is your system not synchronizing them?

Veldy

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Quote from: zoro on May 05, 2011, 01:15:59 PM

24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!

Perhaps, although my card claims 10 years constant running if kept at 70degC. I assume that would include the fan. To maintain this, the fan would normally have to run reasonably fast. The enemy to a motor [servo] is not usage as much as it is constant change in speed. Acceleration in particular is toughest on motor. If you can setup a fan profile to keep your fan speed relatively consistent [and blow the dust out of your machine on a regular basis], you should be fine. Statistically, there will always be fans that blow early and always be fans that run for the useful lifetime of the card even at 100%.

I hope you find this useful. It is FAR better to blow the fan then to run the card hot. A fan can be replaced [as long as the card shuts down], but running the card consistently hot will more likely cause total failure as opposed to just a fan failing.

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24/7 use of the fan more than 50% i think can cause failures in the far future!

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Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 11:55:26 AM

Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%

Thanks for that info. I don't remember have i read somewhere or did someone said that running fan over 50% can cause damage.

zoro

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i see a lot of disconnections, miner idle, twisted.internet.error, etc
mesages to all of my miners.
these error i don't see when i connect to smaller pools!
i wonder...

Veldy

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Quote from: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 11:54:33 AM

Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:58:57 AM

you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s Shocked

Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool!

You are welcome, glad to be of service.

Yes, it is safe to have fan speed over 50%. I use MSI Afterburner and have a custom fan profile to keep my temp around 75C. Fan runs 54-60% (usually at the low end) most of the time..

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Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:58:57 AM

you can try -v -w 128 -f 40

Holy smoke what an boost;
277-286 Mhash/s Shocked

Thank you for good tip, monitoring temps etc now and i don't see any lag etc. So cool!

EDIT: is it safe if fan speed is over 50%?
Currently it's 53%

Veldy

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Quote from: eleuthria on May 05, 2011, 09:10:27 AM

Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 09:00:35 AM

Quote from: eleuthria on May 05, 2011, 08:54:39 AM

Not exactly. '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional. '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS. But it does not mean you should switch! As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to): Past performance does not affect future results!

I don't think that is even correct. It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative. That means negative is lucky for the pool. Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.

Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.

That's what the '-' signifies. '-' means blocks were being solved faster (fewer shares) than difficulty suggests. When that happens, proportional produces higher payouts, since the block contained fewer shares. The '+' signifies that blocks were going slower (more shares), which is when PPS has a higher payout. Although I did oversimplify one part. A small '+' would still favor proportional, due to the higher fee taken from PPS (10% vs 3%).

I guess there is no better way to describe it than what it says right on the site.

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This is the number of submitted shares divided by the number of solved blocks. It's variation is random and depends on pool luck, but in long term it converges to expected difficulty. When the average is less than difficulty - it means that the pool is lucky, when it's greater - unlucky. Those numbers are only for curiosity, every solved block's luck is completely independent, so past results do not affect next ones. If you don't want to depend on luck, use PPS payout method; it has zero variance because the pool takes your risk.

Veldy

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Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 11:14:06 AM

Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 10:09:16 AM

Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout. It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.

I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere. =/

It would be a good idea to look into your connection. You can see some of the diagnostics that Tycho and I went through on my connection (by the way, I haven't seen any further problems since that time). My guess is it depends how well your ISP is connected to the trans-Atlantic trunk going over to France and then Germany ... and it seems that only one route exists to get there. I wish deepbit.net was multi-homed [via ISP] such that there were multiple trans-Atlantic routes (I haven't seen any other option .. I asked a QWest and Frontier user each, two collegues of mine, to do the traceroute and while they took different routes through the USA, they hit the same route across the Atlantic.

Then I would try slush's pool @ http://mining.bitcoin.cz. Good luck.

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Quote from: Veldy on May 05, 2011, 10:52:47 AM

Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 10:09:16 AM

Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout. It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.

I am getting nothing but these error messages -- it hasn't even touched my GPU to calculate anything. I was on BitPenny, but the project was shut down..so I'm looking for a new pooled mining group. If I can't get this one working I suppose I'll have to take my rigs elsewhere. =/

Veldy

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Quote from: new_in_this on May 05, 2011, 10:22:45 AM

Quote from: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 09:49:55 PM

What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what

In your case, definitely use proportional and don't look back. PPS has been said to be a roughly 10% fee where proportional charges 3%, but is variable based on luck. Proportional will nearly always pay out better for you with that card.

It is always good to look at this page for your hardware. http://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison. What miner do you use? I use poclbm GUI (GUIMiner v2011-04-26). I would try -v -w 64 -f 40 as additional arguments if this is a machine that you use for other purposes while mining. Also, you can try -v -w 128 -f 40; I am not sure, but I believe that hardware supports the larger work. If you have a dedicated machine, change -f 40 to -f 1.

Veldy

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Quote from: shooter_mcgavin on May 05, 2011, 10:09:16 AM

Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?

While mildly annoying to see, it isn't a huge problem [at least for me] and results in negligible issues with total payout. It would be far worse if the pool used a score based system, but it does not.

new_in_this

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Quote from: [Tycho] on May 04, 2011, 09:49:55 PM

What is your hashrate ?

It's between 233-239 Mhash/s ATM
(stock 5850)

EDIT: I use Proportional

when i didn't fully understood this (i still don't understand all) i was very paranoid and did hopping between PPS and Pro, then i finally made my mind and i've been using Pro for +2months and not going to switch back to PPS, no matter what

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