Topic: [DEAD] DeepBit.net PPS+Prop,instant payouts, we pay for INVALID BLOCKS too - page 270. (Read 1601343 times)
May 05, 2011, 10:09:16 AM
Yes, I am in the US. Is there something I can do to mitigate this or fix the problem?
May 05, 2011, 09:29:17 AM
I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:
5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle
No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?
5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle
No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?
Are you in the US? I think the problem is the trans-Atlantic link is glitchy. It is certainly the largest hop by far! deepbit.net is located in German [or at least is hosted there], and it seems other pools are in the US (not entirely sure) and thus this problem isn't being seen with those pools [or least, I haven't seen it].
May 05, 2011, 09:14:42 AM
I registered on the site, as well as added my worker user/pass in my account. I'm not behind any wonky firewalls & I have a solid 20mbps connection pipe. When I run my miner, I get a flood of:
5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle
No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?
5/05/2011 09:13:41, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:42, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:43, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:44, warning: job finished, miner is idle
5/05/2011 09:13:45, warning: job finished, miner is idle
No credit or anything shows up on my website account, what could be the problem?
May 05, 2011, 09:10:27 AM
Not exactly. '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional. '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS. But it does not mean you should switch! As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to): Past performance does not affect future results!
I don't think that is even correct. It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative. That means negative is lucky for the pool. Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.
Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.
May 05, 2011, 09:00:35 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics 
U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.
i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)
"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps
Not exactly. '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional. '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS. But it does not mean you should switch! As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to): Past performance does not affect future results!
I don't think that is even correct. It just means we are getting blocks that are not as difficult when the value is negative. That means negative is lucky for the pool. Where the difference between PPS and Proportional comes in is if we SOLVE fewer blocks than statistics would suggest, then PPS may be better [remember the fee is higher with PPS], but if we solve the expected number or more blocks than statistics would suggest (i.e. as a pool we are luckier than average), then proportional is definitely better.
Having said that ... receiving larger blocks can affect how easy it is for us to solve a block, so there is a relationship, but overall luck compared to difficulty is all that really matters when comparing PPS to proportional; even a very large block can be solved very quickly if lucky.
May 05, 2011, 08:54:39 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics
U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.
i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)
"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps
Not exactly. '-' means you WOULD HAVE made more under proportional. '+' means you WOULD HAVE made more under PPS. But it does not mean you should switch! As Tycho has said a hundred times (probably better than I'm about to): Past performance does not affect future results!
May 05, 2011, 08:39:18 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
Well, actually there is no reason Sometimes I run the payments manually to test if it's working after fixing something. But usually it should not pay automatically before 24 hours.
You don't need to worry while your money is not lost
I understand that some of you may use 24h-payments to measure daily income, then sorry for out-of-shedule ones.
I'll add "daily income" table soon.
You sure do a lot of testing on a live system. You have been getting away without real harm so far, but since people notice, it is worth you considering running your testing on an offline system first [i.e. in this example, fill an imaginary account(s) with credits and send them to yourself]. One day, this is going to bite you if you cease to remain lucky. We all know that luck plays a role in mining after all
.A little friendly advice from a system software guy to you
. Tinkering with live systems like this is like feeding a tiger a raw steak on your open palm, ask Roy Horn of Sigfried and Roy whose luck ran out. 
May 05, 2011, 08:09:33 AM
hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:
1 Not yet redeemed 12.24 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ Address
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks
If the bitcoincharts site says that coins are in your wallet already then it's ok.1 Not yet redeemed 12.24 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ Address
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks
If you still don't see them in your bitcoin client then you may have not downloaded the entire blockchain or you may need to rescan it.
I just checked myself - your money are in your wallet.
May 05, 2011, 08:06:41 AM
ahh nevermind i just got it thanks again
May 05, 2011, 07:43:56 AM
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem
on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.
hmm honestly I dont know how to read what it says when i click on the date or my wallet number. heres what it says though for the date when clicked:
1 Not yet redeemed 12.24 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWimCF7d2p3ZU3iVJ Address
OP_DUP OP_HASH160 a7f9586f0f4f65cd87bb3021a2741cc2e7277b3e OP_EQUALVERIFY OP_CHECKSIG
the bitcoincharts webstie you posted, i cant find my address on that website either. ill PM you my login just in case.
thanks
May 05, 2011, 07:40:32 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics
U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.
i was referring to these numbers:
Result of previous difficulty span: 102765 (+11.3%)
Average in last 24 hours: 96251 (-13.9%)
"-" go to prop.
"+" got to pps
May 05, 2011, 07:28:08 AM
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem
on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
I don't think that it may me caused by ipod.on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
What do you see when you click on the date and the wallet address ?
If you click on the date and blockexplorer shows "transaction not found" - can you find this transaction in the queue ? -
http://www.bitcoincharts.com/bitcoin
If it's in the blockexplorer or the queue, then everything is fine (you may need to wait a bit for it to make it's way from queue to blockchain). If not - PM me your login.
May 05, 2011, 07:16:52 AM
hey tycho, i have been cashing out for the past week and recieved everyone except this one.
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem
on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
this was on the list of payments.
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
i cashed out 12 yesterday night with my ipod touch on safari for the first time, not sure if that might be the problem
on the deepbit account it says this:
05.05.2011 03:06 1GKAYrw4ZCMDHNmJtNWi... 12.24
this was on the list of payments.
i think it might be the ipod but iunno
May 05, 2011, 03:07:33 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics
U switched it.
PPS when luck is negative & Proportional when luck is positive.
May 05, 2011, 01:47:17 AM
if i am not mistaken the prop. is the one if luck is negative! pps is the one if luck is positive, according to Tycho's statistics
May 05, 2011, 01:08:02 AM
Quick question from a newbie: is there a general consensus on the hashrate where proportional is more profitable than PPS (or vice versa) over the long-term?
I mine at 150-220mhash/s (depends if im on my machine or not). And right now, Prop has paid out more than pps.
Since my last payout i've submitted 13660 shares.
PPS - 13660 @ .00041/ share = 5.604698 btc
Prop - same amount of shares = 6.07452664 btc
Of course..with a string of bad luck on the pool the difference would change.
I also avg .035btc/ block and love those <10min blocks
May 05, 2011, 01:01:32 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
Well, actually there is no reason :)Sometimes I run the payments manually to test if it's working after fixing something. But usually it should not pay automatically before 24 hours.
You don't need to worry while your money is not lost :)
I understand that some of you may use 24h-payments to measure daily income, then sorry for out-of-shedule ones.
I'll add "daily income" table soon.
May 05, 2011, 12:53:20 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
For me, as long as the threshold is low enough, payout is almost exactly 24 hours give or take [although the web interface may not reflect your balance until it is updated at the next hour mark. My last two payouts were 23:12 yesterday and 23:30 today. Maybe you are just not getting notified quickly via the bitcoin P2P cloud? I usually get notification in my bitcoin client almost instantly however.
I hope that helps.
May 05, 2011, 12:39:37 AM
Just curious why the automatic payout seems so random? Sometimes it happens more than once per day, sometimes the payout isnt automatic for greater than 24h. I'm sure there's a reason just curious what it might be?
May 04, 2011, 09:49:55 PM
I've had alot of those "none"s too
It depends on your hashrate and payout mode.In PPS mode it should be always "none" because PPS is not connected with blocks.
What is your hashrate ?
Quick question from a newbie: is there a general consensus on the hashrate where proportional is more profitable than PPS (or vice versa) over the long-term?
It doesn't depends on your hashrate, only on pool's luck.With PPS your income is always constant. With Proportional it will be more at normal and gool luck or less at bad luck times.
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