Topic: deadsea33 has locked his own complaint thread without resolution (Read 742 times)

Yes it did, you're part of those I'll call old members, you have been here for a very long time, I believe the merit system is quite different from the way it is now.
You really enlightened me on so many things I never knew, I'm still new and have a lot to know /learn in this Forum, like they said "no knowledge is a waste".
You did well @holydarkness

I am very much sure we are talking about the same account, UID #106374, profile as shown below:



or, if you consult to his profile on BPIP and/or use BPIP extension, of which gave a more comprehensive results, the profile will give you information like what my previous screenshot show, as below:



He does own 700+ merit, but he did not get all of them by earning merit [other members send merits to his account]. Only 258 are given by others [this data shown by "Earned Merit" field on BPIP. The other 500 are "airdropped" to his account. The forum "rewarded" existing members prior to the introduction of merit system by assigning merits that correspond to their current rank when the merit system being introduced.

For example, if someone is on Full Member rank when the system being introduced, they will not start at 0 merit. Instead, he'll begin with 100. Likewise, a Hero Member [like me] who has been around before the merit system being introduced, started with 500 merits. Thus, although my merit shows 1,132, the actual merit I earned is just 632. I got 500 bonus merit and 632 earned merit.



deadsea33 was at the same rank as me [Hero Member] when Merit System being introduced, thus he also got 500 bonus merit. But later on, he deleted most of his posts.

The ranking system in bitcointalk are influenced by "three" factors [previously only "two", with merit being the recent addition]: post count, activity, and merit [actually post count did not calculated and considered toward ranking up, but as activity count is heavily influenced by post count, let's just say it's one of the factor].

When someone --let's say a Hero Member with 490 post count, 490 activity, and 510 merit-- deleted 50 of their post, their post count will became 440, and the activity count will decreased to 440 as well while their merit stays at 510, since activity count is tied to post count but merit are permanent [and can not be undone once sent]. This number did not met one of the Hero criteria [480 activity and 500 merit], thus he got demoted to the rank below it, Senior Member.

On deadsea33, he practically wiped clean his posts, effectively also reset his activity count and demoted him so far below, while his merit is still intact.

I hope this explanation helps you understand better the situation regarding deadsea33's merit.

Of course, the total merit the account has is 758, but that does not mean he earned the 758
Given that it's a legacy account before merit system was introduced. The account got airdropped 500 merits by default because of the rank it had at that time, (Hero member)

Between that time and now, they only earned 258 merits.

Tools like BPIP can help you know how much merit an account actually earned - https://bpip.org/Profile?id=106374

700+ merit is what I saw on his profile that he have as when I first saw this account DEADSEA33 .
That's why I was surprised and how on earth did he get up to that amount of me with a lower rank.
Check properly you'd see that is 700+ merit unless we're not talking about same account here.

Thank you for pointing out the manner in which deadsea33 had tried to cover his tracks. Thankfully he was unsuccessful in his attempts to stay under the radar because of his greed after he received a neutral tag from hugeblack. He thought he would be able to portray himself as a positive contributor to the forum but he failed and lost what little credibility others thought he had.

If this same cycle is being repeated where legacy accounts are given air-merits it means there could be far more puppeteers and account-farmers that I previously thought.

He did not get 700+ merit, only 258.

He is the account he bought is part of legacy accounts; members that's been around prior to the merit system being introduced. We got merit "airdropped" according to the current rank we're at when the system applied. Should be on a Hero member by the number of earned merit. Got 500 because he was on Hero, deleted most of his post, presumably and most likely to cover tracks of buying account, and got "demoted" to lower rank because his activity and posts decreased due to being deleted and did not meet the criteria of Hero rank. The merit stays, though.

I don't think you have seen the last of Deadsea33, as it is that guy is still going to mold another account but this time he's going to play a different ball game and he'll be very careful about his move in this forum. First time I saw that account I was like how did he get such merit and he's still a member, even when I was a member to get up to 3merits was hard but how did he do that 700+ merit? Mehn... You guys need to dig out how he got such merit. Was even wondering why he started something (a thread of being neutral tag) he knows he wasn't going to win.
For now, the Sea is dead...


On that part of uncovering crazy farmers account I must recommend you guys, is not easy to dig deep and get things right, you guys are really trying so much in keeping this place to gather, just keep doing what's best for the forum by unfolding those black sheep's who intend to spoil the good work you guys have been doing.

I think this is a perfect time for the puppeteer controlling the deadsea33 account to make a post. What he started by creating a thread to argue about a neutral tag (that hugeblack gave him) has spiralled in to an investigation of mass merit abuse.

It is not the only time account farmers have challenged tags and then found their account examined which led to the uncovering of nefarious conduct using multiple alt-accounts: Questionable Merit History From: deadsea33

Allow me to complete that post you quoted and pointed out another thing regarding address signing, as below:

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If you came across the thread [which you did] and read them before posting either there or here, you'll also have a knowledge that your second proposal is impossible. I posted on that thread that he doesn't have any address on record and that JeromeTash had to go to unconventional way to dug their old address, and that's from waayy past the timeframe you suggested, three years due to that excuse [read above, the complete reason is well quoted]



Signing a wallet that fits your criteria [used in a campaign in the last 2-3 years] will be a walk in a park as that wallet will be the one he created just earlier this month and surely is in his possession, and it proves nothing, no ties of the ownership with whoever hold the account prior to it waking up.

I added this account to my watchlist because of this thread^[1], it's starting to get weird how:

 - An account awakened from a long period of inactivity distributes merits.
 - He has no posts outside this topic.
 - Deleted his old posts and there is no bitcoin address.

After a while, I noticed his name outside of that topic, I was surprised that he was accepted in a signature campaign run by @Royse777, so I gave him a neutral trust, not a negative one, thinking that @Royse777 knew something about that account, especially since he had zero posts until the date of his acceptance.

@Royse777 Can you confirm that this is the owner of the account or do you have any private information about @deadsea33?

As for the reason that I gave him trust tag and not only keep watching, I explained it here:


[1] deadsea33's "Complete the Word Game and Get Merits"

Credit goes to hugeblack for placing the initial neutral tag. After deadsea33 decided to make a thread to try to pressure hugeblack to remove the neutral tag it brought his account to the attention of the wider community. When members started looking at his post history it was clear the current owner/operator of the deadsea33 account was not the one who originally created it in 2013.

The last time I checked the deadsea33 account still has not been removed from the YoMix campaign but let us see what happens in the coming days. The irony here is that deadsea33 created the thread to try to get his neutral tag removed and was accepted in to the YoMix signature campaign on the same day.

In the previous 10 days (since he created the thread to try to have the single neutral tag removed), he achieved nothing except making a total of 2 posts below therefore it goes to show how expendable the deadsea33 account was to the current owner/operator:

I think deadsea33 has had more than enough time to sign a message from the past addresses associated to his account and project but to this date, nothing from him. Not even an assurance that he will be signing a message. Therefore, I will leave him negative feedback. In case of any dispute or proof that he is the owner, he should feel free to create a complaint in this thread or PM me to reconsider my tag. Until then, it will stay.

He applied, got added, and the Hugeblack discovered something off about the account. On leaving him the neutral tag, he came up here to complain. I think the CM gave him another chance to post this week, but am certain he might get removed after next payday.

Note the above post is a stereotypical sig campaign shitpost.  You've been a member here since 12/2021 and you don't realize that neither of those things is going to happen unless the account in question is evading a ban already?

I'm trying to be as polite as I can and am resisting the urge to say GTFO, though I very much want to.

JollyGood, I agree with your assessment, and nice job connecting the dots. 

LOL wut?  I think I know exactly what that means, but it made me chuckle.  One thing is probably true right now, however, and it's that deadsea33 is going to have a difficult time getting into a legitimate sig campaign if he's painted so red that his trust page looks like the flag of China.  He might sneak his weasily ass into a bounty if he's desperate enough and if the bounty manager is stupid enough, but I think that account is REKT.

This got me thinking therefore I decided to take a look at the YoMix campaign spreadsheet and what I noticed was that he has not been removed. He was added in their campaign the same day he created the thread about hugeblack (and that speaks volumes about the campaign manager): https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62520173

As for deadsea33, his reputation is over regardless of what any campaign manager does with him.

JollyGood - I don't care about how many accounts he operates regardless of whether he has made bitcointalk a dairy cows or not. But so far @deadsea33 has roasted himself through suspicious activity and it has damaged his own reputation.

I'm not sure @deadsea33 can defend himself or intend to - now it's very likely he will leave that account somewhere and will operate another account after his manager kicks him out of the campaign.

If he made a meaningful post here it would show he is determined to try to right a wrong that was done to him. Signing a message would be helpful but there would a suspicion related to the writing styles and with the previous owner/owners of the account and many would suspect the address would be part of the deal which saw him take ownership (unless the account was hacked).

Well, he was afforded every opportunity to clear his name and he refused, first by locking his own thread and then by posting sarcasm here.

That was generous of you but deadsea33 does not deserve the benefit of doubt now because that time passed over a week ago when he stopped posting in his own thread.

He probably has given up on trying to milk the account on signature campaigns after he unwittingly managed to get it noticed therefore he will not spend time on trying to defend it or seek pity because he knows it will be pointless. We do not know how many other accounts he operates and if they are enrolled in campaigns it means he will be occupied elsewhere.

No problem DaveF

Maybe this particular issue with deadsea33 must have had some sort of impact on you because you might have read something from this user in the past which made you suspicious of him and it stayed with you.

Some time ago I noticed the thread he created where he was willing to give merits through a competition and immediately thought this was someone trying to build their account but someone who had the trait of being familiar with the workings of the forum, therefore indicated to being part of a bigger account farming process. If I had investigated earlier I would have tagged the account sooner.

 Sometimes, silence is not the best answer after all.  ..If he had at least signed the message, it would have settled a little of the doubt but his action just shows how guilty he might possibly be.One funny thing I've observed about these bought accounts is that they are often overlooked, except they do something worthy of being called out; like say they are accused of scamming or plagiarism or something.
 But most times, these users sometimes get a neutral feedback and go on to create threads, airing out their grievances about how they've been wronged but when the account is looked into, there's a lotta skeletons. And I be like " why bother creating these threads when you're not completely innocent?". Just my thought tho.

I just neg tagged that account too. JG hope you don't mind did a copy / paste of what you did.

Usually I don't do negatives this quickly or at all, or even get into this kind of thing as much as others but for some reason it just really seems off.

If deadsea33 comes back and proves otherwise I will remove it, but at this point I don't see that happening.

Don't know why this one just stands out in my mind unlike some others that are out there.

-Dave

The moderators will not ban the deadsea33 account. He is probably (as you said) roaming the forum with other accounts and is probably doing so for hitting his signature campaign quota.

I doubt he had any proof otherwise he would have presented it by now but it was the fact he gave up easily without trying to defend his actions that stood out. Instead of accepting the neutral tag from hugeblack he decided to try to get a movement behind him to pressure him in to removing the tag but as usual it did not work.

I removed the neutral tag and replaced it with a negative tag because the account is clearly no longer in control by the person that created it all those years ago. If he can present an argument to the contrary I will be happy to revise it.

Lol, I see he get red tagged by you, I've predicted it before.

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Then who lock the topic? the moderator? if the moderator lock your topic, why your thread is unlocked now?

According to this post, when the moderator lock the topic, the creator can't unlock it. So who was the one lock your topic? ghost? I don't buy your story, you must sign message from your old address.

I think he was confident enough that will all the merits he was trying to accumulate in his merit competition thread, he would have some backing from members to pressure hugeblack in to removing the neutral tag. I can think of no other explanation.

If he has other farmed accounts he will allow this one to slip away in to obscurity without much hassle because he will rely on his other accounts to bring in signature campaign earnings for him.

That was true but he ended up posting here and unlocking the original thread where he complained about hugeblack.

It has happened several times, members complain about a neutral tag and inadvertently bring attention to themselves therefore others start investigating the account only to notice enough evidence to leave more neutral (or negative) feedback and exclude from trust too.

With the signed message request in the other thread ignored combined with him posting in this thread but without a signed message, things do not look good for him. Sometimes it is better to not respond in threads brought up about you, but this is not 1 of those times.

He have posted something at here - but did not elaborate on the many things that were doubtful about him, but perhaps he was no longer interested in discussing them any further.

I'm not at all sure @deadsea33 can stand up for himself when he doesn't get a lot of support - so keeping quiet and ignoring the accusations might just keep him safe from the possibility of additional red tags from some DT. But if he really doesn't care about red tag and really wants to work things out and defend himself and his reputation - then it's possible to expect some explanation from him on this particular thread.

LMAO. I actually tried my best to give him a benefits of doubt. Who knows, maybe his statement is true that he's not the one locking the thread and he was intending to post a signed message before it got locked for whatever reason. Well, this is his chance.

I have to say his window is rapidly closing, though. He's online by the time our posts were made, and he still gone silent.

He/she has accepted your assessment (tag) and moved on, and I doubt you'll hear from him/her again. It's clear he's moved on with his life....

He created the thread and has every right to lock it when due fit.

You are actually going far, because he/she definitely can't  sign a message using those wallets, because from my observation, it clearly show that account "Deadsea33" is  bought & in the hand of it's new buyer, because he is yet to give any valuable reason why a dormant account since 2018 just became active on the forum 5years later, with almost 90% of its posts which he/she made since 2013 deleted. Because who does that, if not only in a case of transfer of ownership, which "deadsea33" knows about it and the reason why he locked the previous thread.

Regardless of who locked the topic, as you're here, can you perhaps clarify the issue and prove your statement as suggested by many on the other thread; by signing a message from your old wallet? JT had made a huge length of effort providing it for us, I think either one of them is OK.

@JollyGood

Lol

Thread is not locked by me.

If you notice, it now also has a negative tag. It is with them that JollyGood tries to involve deadsea33 in explaining.
Although those who know JollyGood himself are well aware that no explanation will help to lose the red tag, moreover, in both cases he has no options. Therefore, managers can determine for themselves whether they need an account with a negative tag or not.

I thought so too, we haven't seen any response from @deadsea33, after he posted the thread, I thought something was good or bad in responding to his self-made thread against @hugeblack.

But I'm a little doubtful for @deadsea33, responding to this thread, he should have been more free to defend himself in the thread he made himself responding to doubts from @hugeblack acute that it was hacked or bought.

Looks like, if @deadsea33 drops by here, maybe we'll see a long debate in your thread, @JollyGood, with some proof, if he has any.

deadsea33 did the right thing when he closed his topic. He has already been tagged, I believe that is enough for his further participation in the forum (mainly in the part where he can earn some money, signatures, contests etc...). So any further discussion about his past is useless, as is this topic. I don't see why we should drag out this case further, nor the reason to start any drama about it. I mean, is it really worth discussing "why someone closed their topic"?
Apparently, he ^deadsea33 is not interested in that either.

I think If I am not mistakenly I have came across the thread and also posted as well, from my observation I understand that the account is a bought account because there are two things possible; 1. Either he come and defend himself or herself or 2. He should have signed a message using a wallet that was used in a campaign for the last 3 years or last 2 years reason I said that is there may be some cases where he Lost all access to the first  address association to the account due to lack of understanding or not knowing how to safely secure his wallet details. This may be considered but haven not come to explain and show proof as the original owner has disqualified him of being the first holder of that account.
I guess by now he is roaming the forum with his alt.
But nottheless, what do you think would likely happened to account since he wasn't able to defend himself, should it be pama ban or give a tempo ban?

If he wanted to continue the discussion he woulnd't lock the thread so I don't really expect him to show up here.


Imho no mystery there really: he didn't get the support he thought he will or he simply didn't think it through before opening complaint thread so once hard questions started showing up, he disappeared.


Hah, reality is completely different as often those who complain about neutral tag end up getting negative, or even end up being connected to previously banned accounts.

I wonder why he had to open a thread complaining about the false accusations only for him to go silent and lock the thread after members asking him to prove that he is the original owner of the account. I always think if someone is making a complaint or counteraccusation, they should be able to give proof or reasons to help members understand that indeed the feedback left on them is unjustified.

For example, signing a message from these addresses would be of help to him in this case.

17ckvmvSt8SPEy2DnjtGVpY8p5KK5B9f3c
1BdftzcoqrR6sAHRMTZoFcUnDvJDRgcZBP


I also noticed he got accepted in the Yomix signature campaign earlier on, but once the discoveries and other account connections were made, he gave up on the campaign as well.

The current owner/operator of the deadsea33 account created a thread trying to get a neutral tag (placed by hugeblack) removed hugeblack made false accusations against me. but locked it.

After the drama within the now-locked thread brought him unexpected inspection of his deadsea33 account, he has locked the thread without providing an explanation and without even defending himself against accusations as well as against the strong evidence. Of the 39 posts made in that thread deadsea33 only posted twice (#1 and #3) before locking it.

The timeline speaks volumes:

8th July 2023:
- hugeblack leaves neutral trust: Looks like this account has been hacked/bought, deleted a lot of posts, suddenly starts distributing merits, and may have several alternatives in his trust history.
- deadsea33 creates the hugeblack made false accusations against me. thread and makes two posts in that thread.

12th July 2023:
- deadsea33 locks the thread

14th July 2023:
- deadsea33 makes another post but in the SINBAD.io MIXER July Bitcoin Price Prediction Challenge by placing a guess to the value of Bitcoin in the hope of pocketing some BTC.

16th July 2023:
- still silence from deadsea33 even though he logs in to the forum account regularly including today.

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In the 8 days from 8th July 2023 when he started the thread against hugeblack until today, deadsea33 made just one post and it was an attempt to try to predict Bitcoin price and he locked his own complaint thread without explanation. It seems highly likely deadsea33 is not the only account under his control and he has probably accepted he cannot use it in the way he hoped with signature campaigns therefore is milking it for what he can by posting in the price prediction thread while trying to keep his other accounts unconnected.

He created the thread hoping to get momentum from members behind him to pressure hugeblack in to removing his tag but it did not work therefore he locked the thread without challenging the alternative views. Looking at the manner in which deadsea33 has conducted himself it will be difficult (if not impossible) for any member here to defend his actions.

Maybe the current owner/operator of the deadsea33 account will use this thread to give an explanation.