Topic: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf (Read 4279 times)

Bittrex market opens up soon.  Wonder how the market will react.

"Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

Now that he finally refers to the screenshot after avoiding it a few times when asked directly, he goes and say that he can't see mention of hal and Dan being the dev when Prom clearly states it?

Yeah, he is totally trolling. I refuse to believe that somebody could be that stupid.  But then again, I could be proven wrong here.

It's from the screen shot you were referring to!

Are you?
Why did you post an alleged quote from someone but did not give the source of the quote?

why so many noise with this?? i thought we all knew from the start that 90% of alts are pump and dump... and that the devs are the same ones thats why they release new shitcoins with newbie acc.. 

Are you trolling?

There is another option  

And I'm saying that does not fit when we lok at all the evidence.

Except the screen shot  did not say he was the dev. It doesn't say he even did 1 line of coding for anyone. Let alone HAL.

No he was open about the fact he reviewed the coin. There is no evidence he did anything more and a lot of evidence against that.

That screenshot does not mention HAL and it does not mention Dan being the dev of HAL.  
I makes no mention of Dan having done even one line of coding.

It mentions a "project". Most likely the Blocknet.

Dan Metcalf denied it.
It's perfedctly uunderstandable a person would get frustrated under the circumstances we have seen.
Merely claiming something is "obvious" doesn't make it so.
That is exactly what it is actually. You giving your opinion then claiming it is not an opinion does not magically transform it. 

Even more peculiar is the fact the neither Prometheus nor Dan have denied the obvious business deal, so to speak, between them. Specifically they both had admitted every time they have been asked (but one in which Dan blatantly lied only to correct the lie that came -according to his own words- out of "frustration"), that Dan was indeed being paid by Prometheus to perform code reviews of several coins including those you mention. Obviously Prometheus timed the reviews to facilitate the dumps and obviously also Dan knew everything about it whether he was also benefiting from the pump and dumps -besides the payments received for the code reviews-, or not. That cannot be more unethical and is certainly illegal in the real world and would mean jail time for the perpetrators.

This is not opinion, no hearsay, certainly not FUD or any of the other rhetoric used by Dan's minions; this is just common sense applied to the parties own admissions. They don't negate the screen shots' content. They don't say any of the IRC's posted are false... the minions do.

As you say, it cannot be simpler... except that since it isn't in the interest of those who either participate in the P&D groups associated with Metcalf or his current projects, therefore, it has to be complicated. They want it to be complicated enough to loose the less amount of money possible in their ill-conceived investments. And they will delude themselves and deny any and all evidence to the most irrational limits imaginable... if they cannot excise it by decree like the dictator synechist does on his turf.

Fortunately, only people that wants to be taken for a ride will board those rides from now on.

Wow, you are either totally trolling or totally do not understand what I've been saying.  WE ALL KNOW THAT DAN CODE REVIEWED FOR HAL.  This has been established.

Here's his code review:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167

What I've been trying to tell you is that he has ALSO always secretly been the dev for HAL (as stated in the skype screenshot).  What this means is that his code review was unethical because he did it while giving people the impression that he had nothing to do with Hal's development.

Here's the screenshot again:  http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2

Do you understand now or do I really need to explain this step by step?  I've repeated myself like 4 times already.

It's funny, you were the one who told me to go back and re-read things (which I did), yet you probably haven't even carefully read any of the stuff yourself.

People feel all kinds of things but that doesn't make what they feel true

I don't  think there is any evidence to support that.

See, I feel that with everything I've witnessed, the simplest and most likely, and most obvious explanation is that Dan et al. haven't acted in an ethical manner. And it takes a full time PR guy like Synechist to keep everything from falling apart.

http://www.reddit.com/r/XCofficialreddit/comments/26qqrq/xc_premine_wallet_made_public/


People in XC will say things like this before but as time goes on they have a short memory.

It's called "Ochams Razor". The simplest explanation is the best explanation
You will consider any explanation no matter how imbecilic, and ignore the obvious explanation
Dan was asked to review many coins, and so he reviewed HAL.

Some how you want Dan to be merely a reviewer of all the other coins but suddenly, when it suits you, he stops being a reviewer and becomes the developer of HAL.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

Yes but only one scenario makes sense in the light of the other evidence.
We know that many other coins asked Dan to review their code.
You suddenly want to make this case different.
No we don't know that.
What we know is that in making a coin they are all based on Bitcoin to large degree, so any smart person would get a third party to do the grunt work.

This is all that happened but for some reason you don't even have this very basic understanding of what actually happened...

The actual point not addressed:

It was not addressed for two reasons.
!. You provided no evidence.
2. Even if it is true you are nitpickning. You have nothing really solid to go on so you are clutching at straws. So what if the XC PR guy whilst hastily replying to loads of posts made that slight error.
Get serious.

Yes I'm serious as explained above. You are not.
You guys aren't serious, All you have done is inundate the XC PR guy with all manner of inaccurate complaints  and then when one small error is made by someone to jump on it and pretend you care.
If you guys really cared you be complaining about the multitude of real scams.
As I keep saying. Dan is working on something that if successful will provide an avenue for many coins to succeed.
This focus is very important because as Dan rightly pointed out, unless altcoins stop fighting and work together, IBM..or some other entity that cares nothing for the many altcoins will steal our thunder.


What are you doing for altcoins?

Some very good points here.  It's funny that some of us are trying to analyze all this and considering multiple possibilities, while all that some of the XC/Blocknet supporters could consider is that everything must be FUD.  Brainwashed is probably an appropriate term here.

The observations that you made in your last paragraph are some of the same ones that I have made.  I guess I should add sock puppet accounts to my list of possible types of supporters.

There are many possible scenarios indicated by the language that Dan has used to describe his relationship with HAL. I personally think he has at least some coding ability, and potentially lots, but we do know that he outsources a large amount of his coding. Dan repeatedly made statements like "I didn't code for HAL", which may very well be true statements. There exsits many possibilities in between where he could have still developed for HAL, but outsourced the actual coding. Prometheus mentioned that Dan 'took the HAL anon to another level', he may have designed it and had Christian Howe code it. He may have not done that, and simply worked with Promethus on a strictly theoretical level, outlining the tech while Prometheus paid his own man to code it(although the 'Dan's coin' talk from both Prom and Coinada makes this seem less likely). So while there are many different scenarios that might have taken place - and we're obviously not going to be getting the full truth anytime soon - either Prom and Coinada are lying about Dan's involvement in HAL, or Dan had some level of involvement in it.

If Prom and Coinada are not lying, then was it unethical for Dan to do a code review for HAL?

If Prom and Coinada are lying, and Dan had actually had zero involvement with HAL specifically before the code review ,would it be ethical for him to review HAL's code considering by this time he was already involved with Prometheus?

If this seemingly unlikely course of events look place, it still reflects very poorly on Dan. All of those code reviews did. Even when we as a community naively assumed that he was in fact an unbiased third party. The community at large certainly did not know about his connection with Prometheus. If you think that would have been ignored after reading the XC thread where multiple members put forth the belief that XC was somehow different and not associated with the shady underground of altcoins, then you weren't paying attention. The XC echo chamber shielded many of those community members from the true opinions of people, but I can guarantee you that you could mention XC on any trollbox or non XC thread and hear some real opinions about XC and Dan Metcalf. If you think I'm lying, I'd advise you to try it sometime posing as someone making a legit inquiry about XC and watch the reactions you get.

I've been following XC since the 500k bubble. To say that the community at large hasn't widely considered XC to be shady would be either a lie at worse and ignorant at best. Everything from the loljosh clone launch, to the defense of Jasinlee, to the closed source and moderated threads, and then the kiss of death code reviews gave XC and Dan one of the worst reputations among people in the community not directly involved in pump groups(who if course couldn't care less about ethics). The code reviews specifically - even before all of these new revelations about the Promethus connection - were already widely considered desperate and damaging to Dan's personal reputation. There's a reason he's not going to be doing code reviews anymore. And it's certainly not the thousands of dollars he was receiving that's making him stop, he knew what kind of lasting damage they were doing.

You and Dan a use a similar strategy of replying 'which is it, Dan can't code, or Dan is the lead developer for HAL? Dan is Prometheus, or am I Wolong now?' attempting to avoid the points by taking speculations from other people which are irrelevant to the current point and attempting to use them to make peoples specific unrelated arguments seem absurd. I can tell you are close to XC and Dan, for a while I thought you might be Dan himself, I'm not sure. Doesn't really matter though.

Without the FUD meme that's been used to brainwash XC supporters in to ignoring even the slightest consideration of evidence, or even question things with some basic critical thinking skills, would XC even be around today? Debate and discussion that could even just potentially imply some negativity towards XC is outlawed, and the results are kind of amazing. The true believers are seemingly immune to even questioning any idea that might result in XC being negatively impacted. It's on a level that I've never seen before in altcoins and it's actually kind of fascinating. The only thing that gives me some pause is that a lot of these true believers are actually sock puppets, but I'm pretty sure that I can tell there are still a significant amount of legit individuals. I'd like to see how long XC can keep this thing going. Price will likely have little effect on people now as most will already consider it not worth the damage to their ego to sell their bag, and it's XC's specialty to sell followers on the idea of green pastures just around the corner. But as the financial incentive goes away for the XC team, the effort that it takes to maintain the community delusion will begin to fade. XC isn't going to magically become a successful altcoin now, especially not after this. It's just question of when it will finally fade away.