Topic: Dear synechist, xc, blocknet, and dan metcalf - page 2. (Read 4279 times)

Wait, did you even carefully read the screenshot and the code review I posted?  If you did, I don't think you would be considering that.

I guess this just goes to prove my point that some people really do not see the implications of this.

Sorry I did not nor do I follow XC threads, nor did I even thought the two projects were intertwined. The relationship at the beginning was understandable, Jasin was a "known" person. And it's easier to trust known people. It just seemed to me he was hanging around a lot longer than he should be providing consultation or whatever it was called.





I know you have been berated by the community, you should know im not one so there is no need to have a defensive tone. Its the association that seems scummy as EyesWideOpen pointed out. If this prom person is really a well known P&Der, and this was well known, and Dan or whomever (I guess maybe just Dan? Sorry im dont know whos role is what here aside from him lol) had knowledge of it, it would have been in his best interest to avoid him at all costs. It's hard in the alt coin world to gain trust, and just like real life as ProfX pointed out, there are just some people you dont associate with. I guess I'm saying is Dan or whomever should have known better, do you agree or disagree with this statement (unless im missing something)?


Let me put it into a better perspective (well an extreme one but a perspective non the less). I'm making an exchange (yes the one in my sig, Koinyx). How do you think the community would react if I decided to have Mark K or Alex green (moolah) on my team as consulting or some other non coding form (marketing, customer service, whatever)? The answer is pretty obvious, it would be a backlash.





It really depends on a few factors such as was he paid, directly by someone or indirectly by building up trust for a pump and dump.







Im not here to troll or yell or accuse at all. I'm merely giving my opinions and thoughts, and they are leaning towards something not smelling right. I'm sorry, to me there is something going on with the relationships and pictures of convo's that seem to be very discouraging.

Yes, I am invested in SuperNET.  I've never tried to hide that.  But no, I do not feel that Blocknet is a threat.  As far as I'm concerned, it's not even a competition.

And yes, I actually have been following XC's development for quite some time.  If you look at my post history, you can see that I used to be involved with Keycoin, which Dan also code reviewed.  This is how I first heard about Dan and XC.  However, after discovering that there were some odd things surrounding it, I followed my gut and decided to end my support for Keycoin.

Instead of constantly using the defense that "competitors are just out to FUD" (which is a rather weak defense btw), why not analyze some of the information that we actually have.  There's obviously a lot of things going on at once, so let's simplify it and look at one thing at a time.  Since adhitthana has not been able to respond to this, maybe you can:

Skype screenshot with Prom saying that Dan "was the anon dev for HAL" (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2)
HAL code review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167)

What do you think this means and what are the implications?

Lol, so you're on the side that thinks Dan is the super coder HAL dev as well as the XC dev? Hold on one second, let me find for you a troll that thinks Dan can't code. It would make for such an interesting debate. It would be like two retards fighting. And I find it ironic that you are calling us naive, chances are 99% of you haven't followed XC's development at all and are just regurgitating the same bullshit that other trolls began to speculate about. Not only that but going forward with the XC FUD would also seem to better your investment in SuperNET right. It's always a good thing to make your only major competitor look like a scam, deceiful, shaddy, that way you can capitalize. It's not surprising that the 3 major groups that are trolling XC are Super, SDC and DRK.

Super is a direct competitor and anything said to hurt block is useful for your sake. I even recall the BTCD dev tried to make a persuasive post claiming that BlockNET was in fact a scam and that SuperNET was not. Good job at marketing your project fuckface.
SDC has a terrible track record for trolling other coins that may appear to offer better technology or that will hurt profits for the few bagholders, this makes it the 5th time with XC. There is a 35 page thread that proves this as well on the main page.
DRK has always had a hateful relationship with XC. It was so bad that Evan and Dan had to make a joint statement to call off the FUD wars. It is not the least bit surprising to see some DRK fanboys taking shots at XC during this smear campaign.

Thanks for you input.  I'm curious, would you consider Dan doing a "code review" of Hal's anon code while giving the impression that he was an unbiased third party scammy or scummy?

As references, here is the skype screenshot (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2) and here is the code review (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=741728.msg8723167;topicseen#msg8723167)




Yeah, adhitthana also conveniently ignored the part of my post in which I linked the specific skype screenshot where Prom said that Dan "was the anon dev for HAL". (http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2)

And this is after he kept saying that some of the things Prom says can be interpreted different ways.  So I linked this for him and asked him what he thought of it, but he has ignored it since.

I agree with you, at this point I think adhitthana might just be trolling all over the place.



My conclusion after trying to converse and reason with some XC/Blocknet supporters is that there are 3 possibilities:
1.  They refuse to look at the details and question them because they are afraid of what it may mean for their investment
2.  They have looked at the details, but are really that naive and do not understand the implications of the information that have come to light
3.  They have looked at the details and understand the implications, but do not care that the people behind it are unethical (i.e. knowingly supporting the scam)

you forgot to mention Bitcointalk is too by repeatedly hiding info on it.

i seen many topics with no substance on the matter added after mine and they left them here and deleted mine.
i even tried to pool all my info in one topic.. i guess to make it easy for them to nuke it in one shot.

my topic in my sig was deadly serious and not trolling and very on-topic for this board and FULL of truth and facts (proof)
and this place is complicit in the scam by hiding it !

i really do hope the fed's look hard at this place when handing out jail sentences.. these pricks deserve it !

If this place had any credibility it's looooooooooong gone.

The actual point not addressed:



Are you serious with this? Is there some sort of "XC community guide to not addressing the actual issues and deflecting arguments" written by Synechist? Why do you pick out only parts of statements and address them as if none of the other text exists?

And you sidestep every single point on the list there. Congrats. Maybe XC should hire you as Synechist's assistant in the propaganda department.

Or if you're trolling though, then hats off I guess. At this point it's getting a bit ridiculous. You keep saying there's no evidence despite the fact that I just posted evidence which you conveniently left out of your reply.

Was HAL pumped after the Dan Metcalf code review which was presented to people as if he was an unbiased third party? The whole purpose of a code review is to have an unbiased third party review the code. Insiders don't count.

Are you visually impaired or mentally challenged?


I thought TheMage was being kind when using the word 'scummy'.
Dan is complicit in the Blocknet scam. It doesn't matter how you, ProfX or Synechist try to twist the story.

You really owe it to us to expand on this, It appears you have called Dan "scummy" but have made no attempt to justify that accusation.

if you recall in the summer, Jasin was actually active in XC threads for some time, and even posted in the XC thread regarding the ASICS. He assured the team and some community members that everything would get resolved. People shut up after this point and that is ultimately why XC defended him for the time being. As the summer went on, someone else brought up that fact about Jasin and Fibonacci again (months later) and it was at that time that XC reassessed the situation. It was also at this time that the team realized that this might be a much bigger issue than they anticipated, seeing as how no progress was really made with the situation. They dumped him right at the end of summer and released a general statement to the public. It may seem shady to some people what took place, but just realize that the team did correct the situation as it was hurting XC. AFAIK, Jasin did not contribute anything to XC other than offering his coding services, which he never fulfilled. It was a no brainer to cut ties with him if he was causing XC more harm than good. Its just sad that people somehow still think XC is related to Jasin and his ASIC project. People cannot get into contact to talk with Jasin, so they just go to the closest thing Jasin was associated with in XC, and start spamming the boards with speculation about XC being part of the issue. That has never been the case as Jasin's project was completely separate and irrelevant to XC. XC will also not go out of its way to talk with Jasin regarding the issue as it is none of their business and does not pertain to their coin at all. I dont understand why this issue keeps being brought up every now and then like people think the teaam is magically going to help them get their money back from Jasin.

Crap like this happens all the time in the real world, you might unknowingly hire employees who dont have the best reputations arounde  whether they are work or personal matters. Teams dont really do in depth screening processes. It generally works by someone offering their services, a negotiation takes place, then they are on the team. As a coder in crypto, it wouldn't take long to join a team if you are offering your skills because every coin is looking for that extra bit of human capital. It just so happens that XC brought on board somebody that was offering their services, who also had some discrepancies with their personal life project. XC however did do the right thing and removed him seeing as how the issue had not been resolved over several months.

So here are my thoughts from an outsiders point of view (I have no involvement, or even really knowledge of what had happened, hell before this all blew up I had no idea who prom was until multiple people/sources state he is a P&Der, which is pretty scummy if you ask me).


Everything that was posted is very concerning, but to me stops short of scamming. Rather, i'd like to use the word scummy instead since Dan associates with prom.



I will say this however, and one more person to add to the list of people XC should have never been involved with was Jasin from Fibonacci. This one I can talk to at length considering I was the one who tried one last attempt to smooth things over between Jasin and his investors. Instead of helping, he completely stopped posting here and Litecointalk, along with delete his website. So he walked away with a cool mil or two of money.


The XC team defended him pretty hard, at first as a dev and then as a contributor, and that along with all of this recent information makes XC seem very shady to me. Again just an outsiders perspective.

Yes, it is.  So now you're going to argue about grammatical correctness? I don't think you really know where you're going with your argument here.


No one is questioning whether or not he code reviewed for Hal.  We all know for a fact that he did.  What has come to light from those screenshots is that Dan is also "the anon dev for Hal".

Are you really having trouble following all this?  Sorry to sound mean, but I feel like I've been talking to a little kid.

Also, you haven't responded to this:

Alot of the questions being asked by dare i say, you trolls, have been answered already, but for some reason you choose to keep ignoring this. Marlo is trying to persuade people into thinking XC has been shady from the start, but investors that have been there since the beginning know this is far from the truth. Not only is this FUD, but alot of it is disorganized and contradictory, half of you think Dan cant code, the other half think he's XC and HAL dev. Seriously which one is it? The fact that there is this contradictory FUD, rules out dozens of troll posts that have already been made, because its either one or the other right? I've seen enough people arguing both sides of the story, and you know what, you are all idiots that don't know XC. You think you know XC, but the truth is, alot of these posts by trolls clearly show a lack of understand and knowledge about XC from its emergence to where it is today.

No it's not. Is english your first language?

I already explained this. I said in the light of the other evidence it is the best interpretation. We know that Dan was reviewing many coins.
So it makes sense that it what he did with HAL too.

We all knew from the very start that the premine would be used.
What more proof do we need? 

Dan said he didn't write any code but admitted he looked at the code. No problems here.

Because you claiming things are unethical doesn't make them so.

You have no evidence Dan "lured" anyone. That is your fantasy.

1) Dan drained the XC premine when there was a promise of transparency. And Synechist lied saying that it was drained by mid-September when in fact there was money being taken out of it up until late October according to the blockchain.

2) Dan has been consistently deceptive. If you honestly think that he doesn't frequently bend the truth and dodge legit questions then you're being willfully ignorant.

3) Dan deceived at best and lied at worst when directly asked if he had involvement in HAL by claiming he had no role in the development despite Promethus saying that Dan helped develop their anon. Even if Dan didn't physically write any code, he was involved in the development. It was confirmed by Prometheus that he was involved with more than just a code review.

His wording has consistently been deceptive. It is unethical period. Please explain how that is not unethical.

Dan doing a code review under the pretense of being an unbiased third party to lure unsuspecting investors in to a Prometheus pump and dump is the epitome of unethical behavior. How is could it not be?

4)Lie:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9396234


Dan's excuse when caught was that he was 'frustrated'...

5) He was confirmed to have loljosh launch the clone coin by both n00bnoxious and Synechist in my deleted post from the blocknet thread. Him saying he "assisted with some QT work" is a lie. Launching the chain is much more than "assisted with some QT work".

I'd seriously love to hear a defense of these actions.

And yes, lots of people knew about the shadiness surrounding XC for a very long time. Dan Metcalf already had one of the worst reputations in the alt scene. But XC supporters would never know that outside their circlejerk of a thread.

And to call it smear tactics is insane. It's mind boggling to see these shell shocked people continue to follow this group. It's wild to see these actions carried out while a group approves of them and applauds. It's like the Twilight Zone.

Okay, "Dan is hal dev".  Having "the" in there doesn't change things that much.  I put "the" in there because I'm just trying to use proper english.  The meaning is the same.

Now I'm going to turn this around ask YOU why you put in the words "was", "a", "who", "looking", "at", "code", and completely switched the order of "hal" and "dev" to finally get "Dan was a dev who was looking at Hal's code."

You see how ridiculous your argument is?

EDIT:  I just reread the screenshots, like you suggested.  Take a look at this one:  http://imgur.com/a/1xbWq#2

So they are talking about Dan in this one and Prom says:  "he was the anon dev for HAL".

I'm curious how you're going to interpret this one and how many words you're going to add.

Also, you never answered my question of why you think that Prometheus telling one person on skype that Dan is hal dev would boost the popularity of Hal.  This was your original reasoning for Prom claiming that Dan is hal dev.


Yeah, I'm fully aware of all the code reviews he did.  Most of which were Prometheus promoted coins.



So how do you define the word "team" then?


I'm sorry, but I feel like your logic/reasoning and definitions are just completely flawed in almost all of your arguments.

Well I think with a coin like XST we can put 2 and 2 together.
Dan did a review of XST's code, probably at XST's request. So they were already in touch with each other.
Plus XST has a feature or some features other coins didn't have AFAIK

This 100%. These smear tactics are just that.

I've been wondering how the BlockNet team arrived at the choice of coins to include in the BlockNet system ?