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Topic: Debunking the "Bitcoin is an environmental disaster" argument. - page 4. (Read 5036 times)

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While Bitcoin PoW continues to be an insanely stupid waste of energy resources.

Ethereum has evolved leaving behind the dead-end technology know as Proof of work/Waste.

The truth is, banning Proof of Work will immediately kill the following cryptocurrencies:

- Bitcoin - DOA
- Litecoin- DOA Considering how ltc price has sucked, it will probably die before it is banned.  Tongue

- Dogecoin -Will Live :In the process of converting to Proof of Stake
https://indianexpress.com/article/technology/crypto/heres-why-dogecoin-is-migrating-to-proof-of-stake-consensus-mechanism-7756973/
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Here’s why Dogecoin is migrating to Proof-of-Stake consensus mechanism
Buterin confirmed that he was involved in this project, saying that virtually all cryptocurrencies will follow the same steps.
 Wink

US has already taken care of privacy coins with FATF.
And the exchanges that want US investment dumped privacy coins already.
https://cryptoslate.com/crypto-money-laundering-rules-to-be-in-place-by-june-says-fatf/
https://cryptoslate.com/bittrex-us-to-remove-the-markets-for-top-privacy-coins-including-monero-zcash-and-dash/

I know you are not a US citizen, so I will explain.
In the US , the sitting President can issue a little thing called executive order.
https://www.phe.gov/s3/law/Pages/ExecOrders.aspx
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Executive Orders state mandatory requirements for the Executive Branch, and have the effect of law.
They are issued in relation to a law passed by Congress or based on powers granted to the President in the Constitution
One of the responsibilities of a sitting US president is to Protect the American People and American Infrastructure.
The Loss of a single US power grid caused by PoW mining crashing any of the grids,
could potentially kill millions upon millions of Americans.
Which is why not banning PoW would be dereliction of Presidential responsibility.
https://flipboard.com/topic/pollution/limit-or-eliminate-biden-executive-order-triggers-shock-u-s-bitcoin-ban-propos/a-lp2GunLlQ8i1iscosrxElQ%3Aa%3A23460606-dd306aba00%2Fforbes.com
The White House Office of Science and Technology is recommending to the US President that PoW be Eliminated from the US.
And 1 executive order and btc PoW mining in the US is dead overnight.

Even if the dangers to the power grids were not real, which the danger of grid collapse is real,
the facts that 1 man has the power with a pen and piece of paper to utterly destroy btc , is the largest security risk to btc,
and btc PoW supporters want to hide their heads in the sand and pretend it can't happen,
Not only is PoW going to be banned , the ban is coming sooner than any of us expect.
 Cool


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While Bitcoin PoW continues to be an insanely stupid waste of energy resources.

Ethereum has evolved leaving behind the dead-end technology know as Proof of work/Waste.

Once again you arrive with your antics of proof of work being an energy monster that on the verge of being banned, when even Ethereum's own (former) miners disagree with you.

The truth is, banning Proof of Work will immediately kill the following cryptocurrencies:

- Bitcoin
- Litecoin
- Dogecoin
- Monero
- Dash
- Zcash
- The dozens of cyptocurrencies listed here

Do you really think all these guys are going to stand idly or rush to cripple their networks with the market-manipulation-capable PoS while Congress hurriedly wants to put a bullet through their chests?

You'd have to be looney to believe that governmental attempts to kill decentalized mining are going to succeed, since by its very nature it operates worldwide. Better start wearing your Elmer Fudd hunting cap now...

Ethereum chose to shoot itself in the foot. They have freedom to do that if they want.
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While Bitcoin PoW continues to be an insanely stupid waste of energy resources.

Ethereum has evolved leaving behind the dead-end technology know as Proof of work/Waste.

https://decrypt.co/109848/ethereum-energy-carbon-footprint-down-99-percent-merge
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Ethereum’s merge, which transitioned to an eco-friendly consensus model, was successfully completed overnight.
A report from the Crypto Carbon Ratings Institute says that
the network has cut its energy usage and carbon footprint by approximately 99.99% each.


When Btc is banned for refusing to evolve, BTC PoW supporters have no one to blame but themselves.
https://flipboard.com/topic/pollution/limit-or-eliminate-biden-executive-order-triggers-shock-u-s-bitcoin-ban-propos/a-lp2GunLlQ8i1iscosrxElQ%3Aa%3A23460606-dd306aba00%2Fforbes.com
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‘Limit Or Eliminate’—Biden Executive Order Triggers Shock U.S. Bitcoin Ban Proposal
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BTC, using the energy-intensive proof-of-work consensus mechanism, could be banned in the U.S. under a proposal made by the White House Office of Science and Technology.

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I think Saylor leaves out the strongest argument for Bitcoin and its benefits to the environment. Fiat money is a claim on energy and materials. These claims are increasing exponentially (they must because of the embedded growth obligations of the modern economy). However, energy and materials are not increasing exponentially, and their growth is actually decreasing (the energy crisis started a decade ago).

Human progress is currently measured in GDP - the amount of stuff we make. GDP and energy are tied 1-1 - GDP can only go up when energy goes up. The fiat claims on energy and materials drive up the incentive to create "stuff", no matter how trivial, because thats currently how human progress is measured, exponentially increasing the cost to the environment (every product starts with a fire burning fossil fuels somewhere).

As the delta between these claims and the underlying physical reality increases further and further, driving more pollution, a reset is inevitable (and has begun). Bitcoin is the ideal candidate as the landing spot for that reset. A bitcoin based claim on energy and materials is much closer to the underlying physical reality of our biosphere, since these claims cannot be exponential(limited amount of bitcoin). We're headed towards the collapse of embedded growth obligation, and a cleaner future based on bitcoin, with much more considered product development, a reduction in the amount of nonsense trinkets produced, and a cleaner environment.
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At a time when the pressure on bitcoin from the point of view of energy use for its extraction is growing, the Ethereum network has switched to a PoS algorithm and in support of bitcoin as a hard currency, Michael Saylor criticized opponents of bitcoin hiding behind, according to him, misinformation about the harmful impact on the environment of the energy used for bitcoin mining. Posting seven of his "high-level thoughts” about BTC mining and its impact on the environment.

https://twitter.com/saylor/status/1570090411246370816



In short:

1.Bitcoin Energy Utilization: The energy powering the Bitcoin network is the least valuable, cheapest energy reserve left after 99.85% of the world's energy is allocated for other purposes.
2.Bitcoin vs. Other Industries: Energy efficiency of mining ~ 59.5% of energy comes from sustainable sources, and energy efficiency increased by 46% year-on-year.
3.Bitcoin Value Creation & Energy Intensity: Bitcoin has the lowest energy consumption since the cost of production (BTC) is 100 times higher than the cost of energy consumed.
4.Bitcoin vs. Other Cryptos: Comparison of the PoS network with Bitcoin.it doesn't make sense because creating a digital product without an issuer that serves as “digital gold” is an innovation.
5.Bitcoin & Carbon Emissions: 99.92% of the world's carbon emissions are related to industrial energy use, and are not related to bitcoin mining.
6.Bitcoin & Environmental Benefits: Rather, bitcoin is very useful for the environment, since it can be used to monetize natural gas or methane energy sources.
7.Bitcoin & Global Energy: Bitcoin is an egalitarian financial asset offering financial accessibility to everyone, and Bitcoin mining is an egalitarian technology industry offering commercial accessibility to anyone.

More details can be found here: https://www.michael.com/en/resources/bitcoin-mining-and-the-environment
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Eloncoin.org - Mars, here we come!
Sometimes I just close my eyes and open it to see if my Bitcoin is still there...The attack is too much and I think these people need to leave us alone and allow us enjoy what we are holding. I keep asking myself if it is a crime for us to love what others hate? It is very clear that the government of some regions do not want to see us smile again or keep holding our Bitcoin.

I can see so many agitations and attack against Bitcoin being a bad substance to our ecosystem when their are lots of dangerous gases being generated by industries, motor cars and others that had been causing climate change for ages.
I like to seat down and watch those Bitcoin antagonists...they are really missing from buying the dip 😂

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in my opinion bitcoin will not make the environment a disaster, on the contrary bitcoin will be a boon to everyone who needs bitcoin. because so many in this world are helped by bitcoin. including myself. moreover, the world economy is currently unstable or down. so the existence of bitcoin helps a lot for those who are interested in investing in bitcoin. especially now that there are unemployment everywhere, and I see finally because they are no longer working in companies because the world economy is down, and by being forced to leave the company, many of them finally choose to invest in bitcoin. long term or short term investment. and many of them are now successful. and when it comes to electricity, in my opinion, don't blame bitcoin too much. because those who use electricity are a lot and those who use electricity for bitcoin are only a small part of the number of electricity users in the world.
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Thanks for the info, i made wrong assumed it's only sorted by latest date. But actually they short by category where it's sorted by category (Press Release followed by Resource), then sub-sorted by latest date.

Indeed, took me a while to realise that.
Fillippone only has an opposable thumb.

Just kidding: it's not that clients are to be blamed for bad UX.
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gotta love the Q2 report.. pretending its over 250TW usage
https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022.07.19-BMC-Presentation-Q2-22-Presentation.pdf
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253 TWh ENERGY CONSUMED BY BITCOIN MINING ON THE WORLD'S ELECTRIC GRID2

2BMC ESTIMATED BITCOIN MINING ENERGY USE (June 30, 2022).

the report says it is sourcing its data from the BMC "estimates"
gotta love a BMC report using itself as its source.....

however.. the BMC "estimates" of said source page.. is saying
https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/bitcoin-mining-electricity-mix-increased-to-59-5-sustainable-in-q2-2022/
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Additionally, year-on-year it is estimated that the global Bitcoin Network’s technological efficiency grew by 46%, from 14.4 EH per gigawatt (GW) in Q2 2021 to 21.1 EH per GW in Q2 2022.

well we know the hashrate for the YEAR was below 210EH average.. but lets extreme the numbers purely for easy math and pretend the year was actually 210EH average all year, just for giggles

210EH all year would be= 10GW an hour
=240 GW a day = 87.6TW a year

yep at most extreme. 87.6TW a year.. not 253

..
heck.. lets run some more math..
at 52.5k blocks per year 328125btc a year
and lets say a 4cent per kw electric
is about $10678.86 in just electric per btc at the giggly extreme rate i mathed

and wait for it.. drum roll....  $30841.90 per BTC at the BMC Q2 reports usage of 253TW .. just for electricity cost

so yea.. their math is wrong on MANY levels.
because if their math was right. and you then add in the hardware cost of mining(asic equipment cost ontop)
it means that the world is all mining at a loss even if they all everywhere mined for 4cents/kw..

..
further math.
so the source of bmc source says its doing 21.1eh per 1GW
so lets work out how they found that 'efficiency'

21.1EH for 1GW
=21,100,000thash for 1,000,000kw
=21,100thash for 1000kw
=21.1thash for 1kw
=95th for 4.5kw

again looks like they are using bad efficiency for 2022
after all we have 140th for 3.01kw in 2022
after all we have 110th for 3.25kw in 2021
after all we have 95th for 3.25kw in 2020
after all we have 56Th for 2.52kw (s17 in apr2019)
after all we have 28Th for 1.59kw (s15 in dec2018)

seems they are average 'estimating' the efficiency that is roughly the s17 from april 2019 batch/time period, but using that as the 2022 efficiency number
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Video of the Bitcoin Mining Council 22Q1 Briefing:


The video title of link you shared is "Bitcoin Mining Council Q4 2021 Briefing", the correct link for 22Q1 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uotDxbKJmlo.


Thanks, I fixed the bad link.

Their video also state the slides available on their website, but i couldn't find any relevant page/file.

You should be able to access the full slides deck clicking any of the slides I posted here, as the link is the same.

It is actually in the website: go to their website, scroll to “ BMC Press Releases and Resources” and then click on “Global Bitcoin Mining Data Review - Q2 2022”
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Video of the Bitcoin Mining Council 22Q1 Briefing:


The video title of link you shared is "Bitcoin Mining Council Q4 2021 Briefing", the correct link for 22Q1 is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uotDxbKJmlo. Their video also state the slides available on their website, but i couldn't find any relevant page/file. Fortunately @saylor on Twitter share the link, so here's the direct link for those who want to see 22Q2 slides https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022.07.19-BMC-Presentation-Q2-22-Presentation.pdf.
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武士道
@tadamichi,

Maybe you should move to Texas, you know to show your support of PoW miners.
Since you want to pretend like you know more than the people living there.

You don't need electricity , so you should enjoy 120 degrees real feel temps with no AC because of rolling blackouts.   Wink
I should, i love hot weather. And i stayed in this kind of weather without AC many times. Im not saying others should, so maybe show your politicians that you actually understand these problems, so they can’t blame it on others easily and keep fooling you.


At the very least you should go to one of their town hall meetings,
to let them know how stupid they are for complaining about rolling blackouts and energy bills that doubled.
Go ahead , let them know that it is all fud and how smart you think you are.   Cheesy
There’s no Bitcoin mining around here and yet we have the same problems. Maybe because energy prices have nothing to do with Bitcoin and availability of electricity neither? Where i live we probably already paid 3x as much as texans and it’s still rising, so ik better what it’s like. Just don’t confuse something other people are responsible for with Bitcoin, just because it sounds like an easy solution. So stop confusing the two or prove it.


Oh , and why did China Ban BTC PoW mining again?
According to you , it can't be energy waste so what was it?
  Smiley
A communist party that sees their monetary monopoly threatened cares about the environment first, or maybe it could be something else? If you look at their track record you must be naive to think that any of their decisions have any of these considerations.

It secures the network so it’s not wasted, it extends energy infrastructure so it’s not wasted, it’s what allows money to be decentralized so it’s not wasted, it’s a buyer for electricity 24/7 which is needed so it’s not wasted, it triggers PoS shills, politicians and other cringe people so it couldn’t be more worth it.


Want to pretend BTC miners did not cause energy problems in Kazakhstan.
https://www.yahoo.com/video/kazakhstan-crypto-mining-clampdown-uncovers-113333906.html
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Since 2021, Central Asian Electric Power Corp. has reportedly faced electricity shortages.
The government attributed some of the shortages to the arrival of crypto miners following China’s blanket ban on crypto mining.

The government may not have anticipated the chairman of Central Asian Electric Power Corp. to be involved, particularly when considering the current energy crisis.

This month’s clampdown follows failed attempts to drive away miners by other means.

In February, the Kazakhstan government considered imposing a 500% tax on Bitcoin miners.
The government plan was to target unregistered miners known as “Gray Miners.”

February’s threat followed a reported power outage that left southern Kazakhstan in a blackout.
Lazy to read?

February’s threat followed a reported power outage that left southern Kazakhstan in a blackout. It is worth noting that the blackouts are not reportedly a result of miners but due to the archaic Soviet-era power infrastructure.
So let’s conclude, let me just build the most outdated grid that can’t even serve the demand of the market and instead of using this investment opportunity to better things, I’ll just use this topic politically and blame people that are not responsible for the grid that it doesn’t work? So let’s not actually better things and use the money i taxed people to do exactly this, but just find a scapegoat that distracts from actual failures. Sounds like they know what they’re doing and serving the people.
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@tadamichi,

Maybe you should move to Texas, you know to show your support of PoW miners.
Since you want to pretend like you know more than the people living there.

You don't need electricity , so you should enjoy 120 degrees real feel temps with no AC because of rolling blackouts.   Wink

At the very least you should go to one of their town hall meetings,
to let them know how stupid they are for complaining about rolling blackouts and energy bills that doubled.
Go ahead , let them know that it is all fud and how smart you think you are.   Cheesy

Oh , and why did China Ban BTC PoW mining again?
According to you , it can't be energy waste so what was it?
  Smiley


Want to pretend BTC miners did not cause energy problems in Kazakhstan.
https://www.yahoo.com/video/kazakhstan-crypto-mining-clampdown-uncovers-113333906.html
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Since 2021, Central Asian Electric Power Corp. has reportedly faced electricity shortages.
The government attributed some of the shortages to the arrival of crypto miners following China’s blanket ban on crypto mining.

The government may not have anticipated the chairman of Central Asian Electric Power Corp. to be involved, particularly when considering the current energy crisis.

This month’s clampdown follows failed attempts to drive away miners by other means.

In February, the Kazakhstan government considered imposing a 500% tax on Bitcoin miners.
The government plan was to target unregistered miners known as “Gray Miners.”

February’s threat followed a reported power outage that left southern Kazakhstan in a blackout.

Funny , how everywhere BTC miners start mining has energy blackouts.
Must really just be bad luck.
Tongue
or
dare we say the miners are causing the problems.

Ask your Unicorn and see what he thinks, he has to be smarter than you tadamichi.  Cheesy   


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Do you have the ability to reason?
If so you realize the reason the miners stabilized the power grid was they turned off their miners,
which means the action of keeping them on, destabilized the power grid.
They’re on when there’s not enough stress on the grid, so it’s not destabilising. It’s simply using whats built to be used, when it’s not used as much by people. Load profiles vary by season, time of day etc. Peak demand usually occurs in the morning and evening, when people are at home. So you will have a lot of hours during the day/night where this electricity usage isn’t „destabilising“ anything, as energy demand is low during these hours. If miners actually increase demand during these time, they’re helping financing the entire infrastructure for everyone. Also many miners are adding more capacity, that can actually be used in the grid when needed. Regular people are also the highest paying customers, we see them get prioritised every time. Miners are not taking anything from anyone.


You are giving them credit for momentarily stopping their overuse of the grid power,
Which they have already restarted, draining the grid.

If your miners actually built power plants, as you claim, why are they needing to hook up to the grid.
If they did not suck the power from the grid, but remained isolated , they would be of little concern.
They probably need to hook up to the grid, because renewables don’t work 24/7 and so they can give energy to the grid when needed. But if they only use energy during non-peak hours it’s no problem for the grid. It’s already handled trough price, because Bitcoin mining won’t be profitable when people need this energy, so we don’t see them using the energy people need. Miners that completely rely on the grid will probably go bankrupt sooner or later, as they don’t have additional income trough the grid and won’t be able to compete in the future, when lower energy prices are needed for mining to stay profitable. This is all already handled trough Bitcoins incentives.


Like I said earlier.
The only way to make Proof of Waste energy efficient is to turn it off.
The mistake is letting the miners turn it back on.  Tongue
Nah man if we wanna fix this energy mess we should acknowledge truth. Mining load is flexible, it can be turnt back on when this energy isn’t needed otherwise. And this works perfectly in a decentralised worldwide network.

Funny how you totally missed the following:
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23206795/bitcoin-crypto-mining-electricity-texas-grid-energy-bills-emissions
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All of that brings us back to the crypto boom in Texas.
 “There are over 27 gigawatts of crypto load that is working on interconnecting over the next four years,” the unnamed ERCOT spokesperson said.

That’s an “astronomically impossible” load to add to the grid in that short timeframe,
according to Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.
“There’s no way we could do 27 gigawatts of crypto [in four years]
... that would put too much stress on the system too fast
,” says Rhodes.
“We barely have the power plants to cover today,

But you being a btc cultist, I can see why reality escapes you.  Smiley
It’s simple, if the grid can’t handle it they simply won’t get the electricity. So miners actually need to increase the capacity to not go bankrupt with that much competition. Relying solely on the grid won’t work for them, so relax. People will always be prioritised, not miners.


What people need to get through their heads,
It is not PoW vs PoS,
PoS won years ago, as one can easily tell from the lack of new PoW coin designs and the numerous new PoS designs.

It is PoW vs People right to use affordable energy.
PoW vs Having an Air Conditioner
PoW vs Having electric Heat
PoW vs Having Lights
PoW vs Having Hot Water/Cook Food
PoW vs Playing Video Games
PoW vs Having Freezer/Refrigerator
PoW vs Basically anything else using electricity

Which is why PoW is a dead end, because eventually it prevents people from using energy for anything else.
How are the btc cultist going to spin it , when the BTC PoW miners cause a grid collapse,
and a multitude of people die in Texas because of pure PoW miner's greed.
It will be good if the PoW ban happens before that scenario happens, but odds are currently 50/50,
that Texans die needlessly for PoW miners greed.  Tongue
Thanks for the laughs, did you consider working for current governments? You might be a good fit. If this doesn’t work out, i can enlist you in some psychological studies, as this special case deserves some serious studying.


FYI:   https://energsustainsoc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13705-019-0199-y
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In testimony before a Congressional Committee, it has been asserted that a prolonged collapse of this nation’s electrical grid—through starvation, disease, and societal collapse—could result in the death of up to 0% of the American population [1].
I feel bad for the US, i thought propaganda was already bad where im at.


FYI2:  https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county
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Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the increase in water and electricity bills.

We do not want the increase in environmental temperature in the immediate vicinity of the factory-that-produces-nothing.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.

We do not want our county to facilitate in the illegal activity Bitcoin is used for, such as money laundering, child, human and sex trafficking, tax evasion and drug trafficking.

WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THIS. FACILITY. IN. NAVARRO. COUNTY.

This is NOT a done deal.

We have the power & authority to deny access to our municipal water supply.
We're in a drought and already experience brown-outs during the summer months.

This factory-that-produces-nothing will affect every single citizen of Navarro County and MUST BE STOPPED!
A cringe mob of hysterical people that doesn’t understand what they’re shouting about, what should someone take from this? It only reflects bad on them. Makes you question how many people in the population can actually use their brain.
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it is undeniable that Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy and participates in polluting the environment

Permit me to say that this is wrong, look at the statistics placed right before you from @fillippone, at least you should be able to read them clearly to understand what its coming out from there and what government and other source of pollutant contributed, another way is for yiu to check through previous discussions on this same subject matter and see more better, if they are saying it doesn't mean its actually it.
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Texas has been under warnings of rolling blackouts most of the year,
which coincides with China kicking the miners out last year.
It’s simple supply&demand as has been explained to you many times. Miners build energy infrastructure and when there’s high demand in the grid, it will be more profitable to give power to the grid than to mine Bitcoin. So miners just turn off their machines and help the power infrastructure out. Over 1000 megawatts can already be put into the texan grid like this dynamically, simply when needed. 1000 megawatts gives us 1.000.000 kW, this are 24.000.000 kWh in a day, the average texan household uses 39.2 kWh in a day1. So it can power an additional 612.244 households when needed, doesn’t sound like something negative to me. We could actually need more of this. Even if the electricity usage is much higher in summer for the average household, there’s still a lot of people helped out trough Bitcoin mining infrastructure, even if it was just half of that in summer. No need to develop energy phobias and to become hysterical. Extension of energy infrastructure is actually what will help the grid out, and Bitcoins incentives is what makes this possible in an uncomplicated way.

[1] https://www.texaselectricityratings.com/blog/what-is-the-average-daily-kwh-usage-per-household-in-texas/

Bitcoin Miners Successfully Stabilize the Texas Grid

for a heat wave that is expected to push the power grid near its breaking point.

Texas has become one of the largest hubs by computing power in the world. Hosting companies like Riot Blockchain Inc, Argo Blockchain Plc, and Core Scientific Inc operate millions of energy-intensive computers specifically made to secure the Bitcoin network.

Over 1,000 megawatts worth of Bitcoin mining turned off their machines in response to ERCOTs energy conservation request. Lee Bratcher, president of the Texas Blockchain Council responded to Bloomberg in an email. "This represents nearly all industrial scale Bitcoin mining load in Texas and allows for over 1% of total grid capacity to be pushed back onto the grid for retail and commercial use."

Bitcoin miners are expected to see a drop in profitability since the heat wave will send energy prices soaring. Miners are reportedly already struggling to repay debt and raise additional capital from the recent Bitcoin price decline.

Core Scientific CEO Mike Levitt said, “In troubled situations including the current Texas heat event, we have been curtailing power and will continue to curtail power as needed.” The company operates in six states, with less than 15% of its production located in Texas, he said.

Marathon Digital Holdings commented in a Tweet that Bitcoin miners are a non-rival buyer of energy that can modulate demand as needed which helps stabilize the grid.
And as you can see here, that’s exactly what’s happening.


Do you have the ability to reason?
If so you realize the reason the miners stabilized the power grid was they turned off their miners,
which means the action of keeping them on, destabilized the power grid.

You are giving them credit for momentarily stopping their overuse of the grid power,
Which they have already restarted, draining the grid.

If your miners actually built power plants, as you claim, why are they needing to hook up to the grid.
If they did not suck the power from the grid, but remained isolated , they would be of little concern.

Like I said earlier.
The only way to make Proof of Waste energy efficient is to turn it off.
The mistake is letting the miners turn it back on.  Tongue

Funny how you totally missed the following:
https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23206795/bitcoin-crypto-mining-electricity-texas-grid-energy-bills-emissions
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All of that brings us back to the crypto boom in Texas.
 “There are over 27 gigawatts of crypto load that is working on interconnecting over the next four years,” the unnamed ERCOT spokesperson said.

That’s an “astronomically impossible” load to add to the grid in that short timeframe,
according to Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.
“There’s no way we could do 27 gigawatts of crypto [in four years]
... that would put too much stress on the system too fast
,” says Rhodes.
“We barely have the power plants to cover today,

But you being a btc cultist, I can see why reality escapes you.  Smiley

What people need to get through their heads,
It is not PoW vs PoS,
PoS won years ago, as one can easily tell from the lack of new PoW coin designs and the numerous new PoS designs.

It is PoW vs People right to use affordable energy.
PoW vs Having an Air Conditioner
PoW vs Having electric Heat
PoW vs Having Lights
PoW vs Having Hot Water/Cook Food
PoW vs Playing Video Games
PoW vs Having Freezer/Refrigerator
PoW vs Basically anything else using electricity

Which is why PoW is a dead end, because eventually it prevents people from using energy for anything else.
How are the btc cultist going to spin it , when the BTC PoW miners cause a grid collapse,
and a multitude of people die in Texas because of pure PoW miner's greed.
It will be good if the PoW ban happens before that scenario happens, but odds are currently 50/50,
that Texans die needlessly for PoW miners greed.  Tongue

FYI:   https://energsustainsoc.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13705-019-0199-y
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In testimony before a Congressional Committee, it has been asserted that a prolonged collapse of this nation’s electrical grid—through starvation, disease, and societal collapse—could result in the death of up to 90% of the American population [1].

FYI2:  https://www.change.org/p/no-to-riot-bitcoin-mine-in-navarro-county
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Navarro County/ Corsicana TX is looking to allow an industrial Bitcoin Mining operation to move here & use our resources.

We do NOT want this enormous burden on our already fragile infrastructure.

We do not want the increase in water and electricity bills.

We do not want the increase in environmental temperature in the immediate vicinity of the factory-that-produces-nothing.

We do not want the noise pollution that 500,000 computers running 24-7 will produce.

We do not want our county to facilitate in the illegal activity Bitcoin is used for, such as money laundering, child, human and sex trafficking, tax evasion and drug trafficking.

WE. DO. NOT. WANT. THIS. FACILITY. IN. NAVARRO. COUNTY.

This is NOT a done deal.

We have the power & authority to deny access to our municipal water supply.
We're in a drought and already experience brown-outs during the summer months.

This factory-that-produces-nothing will affect every single citizen of Navarro County and MUST BE STOPPED!

Like I said , it is PoW vs People.
Which is why the banning of PoW is a future guarantee.  Cool
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Texas has been under warnings of rolling blackouts most of the year,
which coincides with China kicking the miners out last year.
It’s simple supply&demand as has been explained to you many times. Miners build energy infrastructure and when there’s high demand in the grid, it will be more profitable to give power to the grid than to mine Bitcoin. So miners just turn off their machines and help the power infrastructure out. Over 1000 megawatts can already be put into the texan grid like this dynamically, simply when needed. 1000 megawatts gives us 1.000.000 kW, this are 24.000.000 kWh in a day, the average texan household uses 39.2 kWh in a day1. So it can power an additional 612.244 households when needed, doesn’t sound like something negative to me. We could actually need more of this. Even if the electricity usage is much higher in summer for the average household, there’s still a lot of people helped out trough Bitcoin mining infrastructure, even if it was just half of that in summer. No need to develop energy phobias and to become hysterical. Extension of energy infrastructure is actually what will help the grid out, and Bitcoins incentives is what makes this possible in an uncomplicated way.

[1] https://www.texaselectricityratings.com/blog/what-is-the-average-daily-kwh-usage-per-household-in-texas/

Bitcoin Miners Successfully Stabilize the Texas Grid

for a heat wave that is expected to push the power grid near its breaking point.

Texas has become one of the largest hubs by computing power in the world. Hosting companies like Riot Blockchain Inc, Argo Blockchain Plc, and Core Scientific Inc operate millions of energy-intensive computers specifically made to secure the Bitcoin network.

Over 1,000 megawatts worth of Bitcoin mining turned off their machines in response to ERCOTs energy conservation request. Lee Bratcher, president of the Texas Blockchain Council responded to Bloomberg in an email. "This represents nearly all industrial scale Bitcoin mining load in Texas and allows for over 1% of total grid capacity to be pushed back onto the grid for retail and commercial use."

Bitcoin miners are expected to see a drop in profitability since the heat wave will send energy prices soaring. Miners are reportedly already struggling to repay debt and raise additional capital from the recent Bitcoin price decline.

Core Scientific CEO Mike Levitt said, “In troubled situations including the current Texas heat event, we have been curtailing power and will continue to curtail power as needed.” The company operates in six states, with less than 15% of its production located in Texas, he said.

Marathon Digital Holdings commented in a Tweet that Bitcoin miners are a non-rival buyer of energy that can modulate demand as needed which helps stabilize the grid.
And as you can see here, that’s exactly what’s happening.
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A great defense article about Bitcoin, it is undeniable that Bitcoin wastes a lot of energy and participates in polluting the environment but it is not the only one that does this, there are many industries that pollute the environment and the atmosphere more than Bitcoin but Bitcoin is deliberately targeted, the main reason is known to all Bitcoin is attacked Because it is a symbol of decentralization and privacy.
I especially liked the “Bitcoin to a battery” analogy, but is this really true? Is there really amounts of energy needed by those who consume it? All countries always complain about the need for energy and are looking for alternative or additional solutions, so I do not know how true this is?
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Texas has been under warnings of rolling blackouts most of the year,
which coincides with China kicking the miners out last year.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/7/14/23206795/bitcoin-crypto-mining-electricity-texas-grid-energy-bills-emissions
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Higher electricity bills and even more carbon dioxide emissions could be on the way for Texans, despite crypto mining industry claims that it can spur the growth of affordable renewable energy.
The problem is the Bitcoin network’s enormous demand for electricity, which is spiking faster than the grid can reasonably keep up with.

Texas’ energy system is already bracing for the Bitcoin mining industry to keep growing at breakneck speed. The amount of electrical load crypto miners are expected to add to the Texas grid over just the next four years represents nearly a third of the grid’s current maximum capacity. Crypto mining is set to increase demand on the grid by a whopping 27 gigawatts by 2026


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Let’s break down why 27 gigawatts is such a big deal.
The first thing to know is that a single megawatt (MW) can power about 200 homes during times of high demand in Texas.
A gigawatt is one thousand megawatts.

On July 12th, during the heatwave, the state hit a record.
More than 78 gigawatts of electricity were needed to meet peak demand, according to ERCOT.
The power grid in Texas can currently supply a maximum of about 92 gigawatts of electricity — and that’s only if every source of power generation is working perfectly, which usually isn’t the case.
That leaves limited breathing room for most of the state during periods of high demand.

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All of that brings us back to the crypto boom in Texas.
 “There are over 27 gigawatts of crypto load that is working on interconnecting over the next four years,” the unnamed ERCOT spokesperson said.

That’s an “astronomically impossible” load to add to the grid in that short timeframe,
according to Joshua Rhodes, a research associate at the University of Texas at Austin.
“There’s no way we could do 27 gigawatts of crypto [in four years]
... that would put too much stress on the system too fast
,” says Rhodes.
“We barely have the power plants to cover today,

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For instance, in upstate New York — another major crypto mining hub — electricity bills have increased by about $8 monthly for individual customers and $12 monthly for small businesses, according to an analysis last year by researchers at the University of California, Berkeley and the University of Chicago.

“Large amounts of new demand are never helpful for your electricity bill,” says ​​Eric Hittinger, an associate professor at Rochester Institute of Technology with a background in electricity system policy.
“The more crypto mining that comes into the state, the higher the residents should expect the electricity prices to become.”

Realize when the miners say the entire world generates this much energy,
that the locations these miners set up in , are only a small fraction of that total ,
which is why they overload their grids and cause their own banning.

What would be funny, if every utility regulated btc miners down to .15% of their actual total energy generation, then they would not threaten the grids.

BTC miner hash rate efficiently has grown every year since 2010, and the total energy consumed has never gone down.
The only way to make Proof of Waste energy efficient is to turn it off.  
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The Bitcoin Mining Council Released their 22Q2 Mining Data.




They updated their data on the global Bitcoin Mining Consumption:


And the energy Mix supporting the network:




Click here for the Press release


Video of the Bitcoin Mining Council 22Q1 Briefing:


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The Bitcoin Mining Council is a voluntary and open forum of Bitcoin miners committed to the network and its core principles. We promote transparency, share best practices, and educate the public on the benefits of Bitcoin and Bitcoin mining.

Presenters -
Michael Saylor: @saylor // hope.com
Taras Kulyk: @tmskulyk // @PowerValidus
Jason Les: @JasonLes_ // @RiotBlockchain
Peter Wall: @PeterGWall // @ArgoBlockchain
Fred Thiel: @fgthiel // @MarathonDH
Aydin Kilic: linkedin.com/in/aydinkilic/ // @HiveBlockchain
Ben Gagnon: @hashoveride // @Bitfarms_io

To see the slides from the presentation, visit the BMC website—https://bitcoinminingcouncil.com/—or follow @saylor on Twitter.

0:00 - Introduction: Michael Saylor
4:06 - Data Aggregation/Explanation: Taras Kulyk
5:22 - Full BMC Q2 2022 Results: Micahel Saylor
18:03 - Power Situation in Texas: Peter Wall & Jason Les
29:23 - The Effects of Bitcoin Price and Network Efficiency: Fred Thiel
36:09 - Variance of Energy Economics in Bitcoin Mining: Aydin Kilic
46:00 - Analyzing and Debunking the FUD: Ben Gagnon
57:45 - Q & A


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