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No I dont escrow anymore.
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a cultural difference that is in play,because it feels quite clear to me that there is some misuse of power.

or you are biased and your opinion should be discarded here.

-> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/chapters-giftcard-1363981

Edit: Allow me to clarify why I posted this. The discussion lacks good arguments as to why the two should be removed from DT. They are abusive is one argument, yet clear cases of abuse have not brought forth, besides for the gift cards. There is another thread discussing whether DT members should go against gift card sellers or not. I have a strong feeling that this (and the other two threads) are here for the same reason. Lutpin and mexxer-2 are new to DT so it is easier to attack them than others that took a stance against gift card sellers. It is in no way meant to attack or discredit you as a person, I think I just understood why this comes now and for what reason.
hero member
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So we have a topic about trust abuse and here we are going after a member because they do not want to disclose who they are.
Read the OP again, he's just way too important to disclose his details. Also this
Who Am I ?
I'm a legendary member following the forum since early 2011.

So you say, you could also be somebody else entirely. Why should we listen to a sock-puppet who posted a poll in which sock-puppets could have voted?
Why are you hiding?

What have you got to hide?



My identity is of less importance.
Not meaning to "ad hominem "attack you but considering your only bragging point in this thread has been that you are a DT member yourself since some time, and are a legendary member, I'd like you to at the least name the account. Seems you're cool with it anyway
legendary
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www.explorerz.top
So we have a topic about trust abuse and here we are going after a member because they do not want to disclose who they are.
Most likely the same reason few are stepping into this discussion out of fear of retaliation from a group. You leave neg rep after one another,so it would stand to be said you would attack in the same manner.
Its a distaction to hunt down who this account is because I could use the same argument against you by saying that you are all the accounts Blaze let in to trust. Its a pointless argument because I am not going to prove it and you are not going to find out who this is.
The more off course we get the more it shows you group are unstable when you feel like you are on the defensive.

Only thing I can think is this is a cultural difference that is in play,because it feels quite clear to me that there is some misuse of power.


i dont have anything to be defensive about. i am here

Again, i welcome everyone on here to leave me feedbacks for my wrong doing with a reference so people can decide if the feedback is usefull or not.
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So we have a topic about trust abuse and here we are going after a member because they do not want to disclose who they are.
Most likely the same reason few are stepping into this discussion out of fear of retaliation from a group. You leave neg rep after one another,so it would stand to be said you would attack in the same manner.
Its a distaction to hunt down who this account is because I could use the same argument against you by saying that you are all the accounts Blaze let in to trust. Its a pointless argument because I am not going to prove it and you are not going to find out who this is.
The more off course we get the more it shows you group are unstable when you feel like you are on the defensive.

Only thing I can think is this is a cultural difference that is in play,because it feels quite clear to me that there is some misuse of power.
hero member
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No offense to whywefight but this is the post I'd like to see OP answer, he's been at first openly claiming something only to hide behind "Doesn't matter" later
Who Am I ?
I'm a legendary member following the forum since early 2011.

So you say, you could also be somebody else entirely. Why should we listen to a sock-puppet who posted a poll in which sock-puppets could have voted?

after a few illiterate mind's suggestions ,a couple of random foreigner's {I personally never heard of them before} were added to the DT-2 by Blazed.
Why should you have heard of them before and what's with the 'foreigner' xenophobia considering you claim to be Japanese and this concerns English-language posts?

1}None of them have a history of trades in this forum.{both Mexxer-2 & Lutpin}
The Trust system isn't about trades, it is about trustworthiness.

Why are you hiding behind a sock if you are supposedly such an esteemed forum member?

What are you afraid of?

It sounds more likely that you've been tagged for having been less-than-honest and you're bitching about them over something else entirely because you resent having been tagged.

Why are you hiding?

What have you got to hide?


legendary
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Maybe I don't need to "inject" myself into anything, when I'm clearly mentioned as mexxer's "Brain child" in OP, and this thread is aswell agains me as it is against him.

Maybe you need to stop your unethical assaults by miss using the DT power.Also the voting poll already has the answer "No one likes you around".What is the point of your existence in this forum tough guy ?

You're free to have your opinion, but community "vote" says otherwise

And this is what community says->

Code:
[b]Yes,they're Trust Abusing[/b]	- 4 (8.9%)
[b]Remove Mexxer-2[/b] - 1 (2.2%)
[b]Remove Lutpin[/b] - 5 (11.1%)
[b]Remove Both[/b] - 18 (40%)
[b]They're Doing A Good Job[/b] - 17 (37.8%)
Lock Voting
Edit Poll
Total Voters: 45
 

You think it is all a coincidence right ? Teaming up of all the members Hateful league has tagged and voting with multiple accounts .If this voting doesn't convince you ,I don't know what will.The point is,we want a decentralized system here wherever the majority is satisfied with the actions taken.

Thats great, while the poll stated something different, you didnt quote it, now while it fits your needs you do... great op, really great. self owning at its best!
legendary
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Thread-puller extraordinaire
Who Am I ?
I'm a legendary member following the forum since early 2011.

So you say, you could also be somebody else entirely. Why should we listen to a sock-puppet who posted a poll in which sock-puppets could have voted?

after a few illiterate mind's suggestions ,a couple of random foreigner's {I personally never heard of them before} were added to the DT-2 by Blazed.
Why should you have heard of them before and what's with the 'foreigner' xenophobia considering you claim to be Japanese and this concerns English-language posts?

1}None of them have a history of trades in this forum.{both Mexxer-2 & Lutpin}
The Trust system isn't about trades, it is about trustworthiness.

Why are you hiding behind a sock if you are supposedly such an esteemed forum member?

What are you afraid of?

It sounds more likely that you've been tagged for having been less-than-honest and you're bitching about them over something else entirely because you resent having been tagged.

Why are you hiding?

What have you got to hide?

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Quote

If you read the manner that these two post you will see they both come at the issue in exactly the same manner.
Now a few say they are the same person and can see how that logic applies due to the obvious issues they have with reading between the lines.
If the way they have come at this thread and threads based around the same topic are of any evidence it is bad for the forum.
All anyone needs to do is look through these posts and see they often misunderstand what is being said or stated to them and they still
want people to be forced to explain themselves through private message.
If trusted accounts are stooping to harassing members in pm land,then why would they be trusted in the first place?
This idea that what they is doing is honorable and good,is just presuming that the intent is honest. Since no one knows,it should be scrutinzed a little more then open attacks on the community.

I also do not see a open discussion on this topic,rather a few stating this is how it is going to be and we should all except it.
Is that really how we want to run things here,by letting a few people take the reins and push their mandate on the rest of us?

This topic has turned into a wall since hardly any new voices are coming in and speaking their minds. Its pretty clear where those of us active in these threads stand. Would be nice to see others speak up.

So I clearly reference two people and you skip past that to say
"I didn't even comment on this thread yet."

So I am supposed to be able to understand that you are upset I left you out in reference?
You take offense to "they" which is defined and write that. Cheesy

Really have no time to piss around the barn,if you have a issue speak on it. Lets not get sidetracked in semantics. The issue for me is a group that seems to have a bit of a issue with
black & white thinking and a slight English issue,going to town on people because they now feel they have the conch(reference. Lord of the flies).
Step back see what the forum thinks and if you still disagree fine. At least we went through a process to show you are in the majority or you are way out in left field.

hero member
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Unlike you,I like my decisions be based upon everybody's opinions.Fact is,you're too immature to understand how decentralization works.
Bitcoin protocol != trust system. This is a private forum if you haven't gotten to know it yet.
I would suggest you to read the bitcoin documentation if you haven't already.
I have , many times actually why you ask?

About comments on my English Language ,I'm from Japan and to an extent I can read and write as long as my points are understood its Okay.
I was commenting on you calling me a "foreign" , seems I made a mistake in catching your meaning behind it
Stop using language as the barrier to attack in a discussion.
Thought it was the other way around
newbie
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Yeah, and you are yet to come up with a sensible explanation as to why we should be removed.
Unlike you,I like my decisions be based upon everybody's opinions.Fact is,you're too immature to understand how decentralization works.I would suggest you to read the bitcoin documentation if you haven't already.

About comments on my English Language ,I'm from Japan and to an extent I can read and write as long as my points are understood its Okay.Do you mind writing a two letter word in Japanese for me ? You cant.Stop using language as the barrier to attack in a discussion.
hero member
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My identity is of less importance.
Not meaning to "ad hominem "attack you but considering your only bragging point in this thread has been that you are a DT member yourself since some time, and are a legendary member, I'd like you to at the least name the account. Seems you're cool with it anyway

I can't digest the fact that these clowns are destroying the system which took ages to build.

Yeah, and you are yet to come up with a sensible explanation as to why we should be removed. Pure offending someone is easy, there's even a website based on it if you like http://foulomatic.hnldesign.nl/
newbie
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Who are you ?
You seem like a sensible guy .My identity is of less importance.Fact that we shall try to bring neutralization back in this forum is the priority. I can't digest the fact that these clowns are destroying the system which took ages to build.
hero member
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Act #Neutral,Think y'self as a citizen of Universe
Who are you ?
newbie
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Maybe I don't need to "inject" myself into anything, when I'm clearly mentioned as mexxer's "Brain child" in OP, and this thread is aswell agains me as it is against him.

Maybe you need to stop your unethical assaults by miss using the DT power.Also the voting poll already has the answer "No one likes you around".What is the point of your existence in this forum tough guy ?

You're free to have your opinion, but community "vote" says otherwise

And this is what community says->

Code:
[b]Yes,they're Trust Abusing[/b]	- 4 (8.9%)
[b]Remove Mexxer-2[/b] - 1 (2.2%)
[b]Remove Lutpin[/b] - 5 (11.1%)
[b]Remove Both[/b] - 18 (40%)
[b]They're Doing A Good Job[/b] - 17 (37.8%)
Lock Voting
Edit Poll
Total Voters: 45
 

You think it is all a coincidence right ? Teaming up of all the members Hateful league has tagged and voting with multiple accounts .If this voting doesn't convince you ,I don't know what will.The point is,we want a decentralized system here wherever the majority is satisfied with the actions taken.
copper member
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Goodbye, Z.
Maybe you should not inject yourself into a problem without reading the three threads rotating around this issue.
Its two people in all three defending the action of this new group,maybe if all the names where posted I would adjust "they" but till this point it was just the two posting.
Why are you nit picking anyways,seems a bit off topic?
Maybe I don't need to "inject" myself into anything, when I'm clearly mentioned as mexxer's "Brain child" in OP, and this thread is aswell agains me as it is against him.
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Then it should be clear who I am referencing! Grin
Maybe you should stop using "they" in your messages then.

Maybe you should not inject yourself into a problem without reading the three threads rotating around this issue.
Its two people in all three defending the action of this new group,maybe if all the names where posted I would adjust "they" but till this point it was just the two posting.
Why are you nit picking anyways,seems a bit off topic?
copper member
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Goodbye, Z.
Then it should be clear who I am referencing! Grin
Maybe you should stop using "they" in your messages then.
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If the way they have come at this thread and threads based around the same topic are of any evidence it is bad for the forum.
I didn't even comment on this thread yet.

Then it should be clear who I am referencing! Grin

No offense but I think my posts are being misread on purpose. Is this to mislead or whats the problem?
copper member
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Goodbye, Z.
If the way they have come at this thread and threads based around the same topic are of any evidence it is bad for the forum.
I didn't even comment on this thread yet.
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Personally I find the arguments and faux-outrage of those of less-than-honest nature, when it comes to being marked as having a less-than-honest nature, utterly fallacious.

Just as much as nobody is here to stop them doing whatever they wish to do in their libertarian utopia, we are equally as entitled to objectively mark them as evidently having demonstrated a less-than-honest nature.

We're not stopping them, we're simply communicating to others the facts of their past behaviour.

It's called consequence, people.



If you read the manner that these two post you will see they both come at the issue in exactly the same manner.
Now a few say they are the same person and can see how that logic applies due to the obvious issues they have with reading between the lines.
If the way they have come at this thread and threads based around the same topic are of any evidence it is bad for the forum.
All anyone needs to do is look through these posts and see they often misunderstand what is being said or stated to them and they still
want people to be forced to explain themselves through private message.
If trusted accounts are stooping to harassing members in pm land,then why would they be trusted in the first place?
This idea that what they is doing is honorable and good,is just presuming that the intent is honest. Since no one knows,it should be scrutinzed a little more then open attacks on the community.

I also do not see a open discussion on this topic,rather a few stating this is how it is going to be and we should all except it.
Is that really how we want to run things here,by letting a few people take the reins and push their mandate on the rest of us?

This topic has turned into a wall since hardly any new voices are coming in and speaking their minds. Its pretty clear where those of us active in these threads stand. Would be nice to see others speak up.
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