Topic: Default Trust List is a Joke.Theymos Save This Forum. - page 8. (Read 6296 times)

Alright , you've got me in a loop. So while you're saying, I may be trust abusing by negging someone clearly suspicious, I also can't remove that rating if my suspicion was proved false by a solid proof and a confirmation from a DT 1 member, and if the latter happens I should be removed from DT.
Also remember how many times the existing(been in DT for at least) DT "scam busters" have gulped down their suspicion and removed the neg, only after a community-wide request? Most of which generally gets ignored? I am offering the individual a chance to prove my and three other individuals' suspicion wrong, which I believe is a fair chance.

Yeah, I'm thinking of putting whywefight's rating on neutral for the moment, from what I know he doesn't care either way. Seems no one is getting the joke at all, and are just going head over heels thinking of it as a team which negs anyone remotely suspicious. Which sounds cool and all, but not worth going over the trouble of replying to every stupid comment taking the joke seriously.

Cool, tell you what, go and do so for around 5 months with no possibility of being added to DT, face 10s of pages of offensive message even when your ratings have no effect. I highly doubt you're going to do this just to prove a point and given your "Everything, scams, fraud , illegal stuff is cool. Government and the law is just nothing but someone trying to control you" attitude, I hardly believe you're going to tag even 10(of course you might now, just because this sounds like a challenge).

DT ain't = trustworthy, its an individual whose ratings you trust. I've probably repeated this many times, but you have the option to kick DT out of your trust list.
 (Not intended towards The Pharmacist)Also it fits my definition of ironical, don't know about you guys: --crap-- forgot what I was gonna even say

Edit: You should be going for the removal of DT system as a whole instead of targeting a specific individual

Logic not judgment.

IMO's

@shorena the abuse is using their DT2 power to force people to do things to get the ratings removed

I see, so you didnt even bother to check the ratings.


"Arguments" like these are the precise reason I did the above and will do more similar work later for lutpins ratings. What abuse? Dont use empty words, make a reference to something you consider abusive.


If good and helpful are no reason to trust their ratings I dont know what else you want.


No one is asking you to trust them. I dont know whether I would trust either of them with 1 BTC, the question never occured and probably never will, their ratings a useful though.

The long con argument is a killer argument, this is always possible. What makes you think that I dont just build my reputation? This is a risk we always have to take or never trust anyone.

I agree with this and I would add that what you said is even more true in this bct culture that apparently breeds long term scammers.  Ones that cultivate trust before scamming.  If you can earn trust just by tagging scammers, that's the absolute easiest way of doing it.  Should I trust someone just because he accurately does this?  People still trust QS so I suppose it's to be expected around these parts but it's dumb practice.

anybody could do that,give me one day's time and i will dig 5 year old ponzi thread and tag the OP.The question the abuse.

I agree they might be good,helping etc etc... but their opinions ,judgments should not be forced upon anyone and hence they should be UNTRUSTED.

I  have a problem with those

Below are all users that have gotten a negative or positive ratings from mexxer-2. I skipped some neutral ratings. They are sorted by reason why the negative positive was left.

- I am not sure about the ratings regarding gift cards. To be fair there is an open discussion about these.

- I disagree with the positive ratings for "HateLeague" members at least with the current wording. I think the wording should be more clear and the name of the group removed. I wouldnt lose my mind over it though.

- I agree with all other ratings.

Will post something similar for lutpin later, last minute changes will be ignored (I already have the site cached):

mexxer-2:

Ratings against ponzis:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/snavy-485410
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cryptoskills-338743
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ferz666-761175
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btc-vortexcom-746776
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magnificanto-628762
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/kuzmichoww-526538
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/racingdouble-770584
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/1bitcoinwin-765367
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/forgetme-180041
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/n9ninja-442263
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/flexybitcom-665664
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitraker-359012
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/cliffp-759926
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/multibitclub-759244
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crypto143-763888
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/paidcoin-438624
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/joni2332-520824
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whitekey-764587
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/scryptcc-235385
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btc4theworld-773568
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/admmty-773547
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/alecrypt0-382466
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bitdoublex2-774197
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dualbitcoin-768930
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/dakotahowell-774195
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/brill2929-458329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/excitedman-776981
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/smit1237-363314
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mihtju-394665
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mihtju-394665
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/universalbasicincome-776358
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/adadators-771760
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/doublecoinx2-751826
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/noni-718228
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/thefreemoney-778856
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xtra-btccom-779904
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ancilishere-733841
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/btcabip-780734
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/tookie-tower-560713
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/profitshuntercom-776454
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/xbtmine-778718
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ye-naung-718657
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/paja93-756572


Reinforced an old rating:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=184564

Newbie asking for loan:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/c0lored-706787
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/crstudio-774216
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/lucasgriffiths-777906
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sergklp-369024
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/brill2929-458329
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/hashbase-772185


Newbie, currency exchange, reversable currency, warning issued:


https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sioux4-774654


Warned and possibly prevented a currency exchange scam:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/zidane10-507131

MSDN keys:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/luka1987-421191

Rating based on a thread in scam accusation or clear scam:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wayniac30-202724
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bizerinm-527416
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/robertt-704654 (missing ref link)
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/himea-534828
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/deluxecity-357282
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/fancyhash-688243
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/wedge-138342

Rating based on suspicous bought account:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/prodigy8-370406

Positive ratings for "HateLeague" members:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/jameslent-396480
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/whywefight-289686

Gift cards:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/magnetizable-705643
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/anonymous22-248833
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/rikugou-529842
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/giftcardshop-772756

Impersonator:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/maryclair-781042
https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/mstfck-159338

Mexxer, i trust you and all that ,will also go first with you for some amount of money regardless of DT.But i don't think this is going in a good direction.

It's no joke & i cant agree to the (newbie)harassing,I cant bud, sorry.

EDIT: I also think Blazed is simply risking his reputation or losing his respect in this drama.

I agree 100%, if you make your ratings without anything solid behind them, you will find yourself removing them ever so often, In a few days we will see him and luptin removing another one of their feedback from anonymous22's page, he already sent his method to someone trusted for review

I don't know why Blazed added them though, they were good as Spam busters and just that, but now they are focusing their efforts at scam busting which is clearly not their field, I don't know why Blazed considers Spam busters to be good scam busters

I also agree on the point that they (the hateleague) are just trying to make a name for themselves, I also agree that since lately some of their ratings need review, blazed probably needs to manually review these ratings

Well if you're talking about me, link me to 5 feedbacks(I expect at least one rating to be a mistake, I'm human after all) that I wrongfully appeared to have given , that I later removed under community pressure.

Again, if you're talking about me, I've sent Blazed 3 PMs so far. 1st, to remove his rating for "Busting spam" as many were questioning that I did it solely for gaining feedbacks. 2nd, a recommendation of devthedev and Cyrus to the DT. 3rd, recently when he asked me to reply in this thread.

Seconded.If your rating needs to be removed every alternate day then it only shows the low accuracy and how readily you leave a rating.

Regardless of the alt's, it looks like Blazed is getting pampered a lot.

Well... thanks. Preetty QS of me to say this I guess, but I think I know this individual from the "patronizing shorena" and the weird English part

Hey Miyagi, fuck you, you xenophobic 'foreign' cunt.


I don't give a flying fuck who you think you are, but the rest of us know what you are.

Wanker.

i am aware of that fact. sometimes you need to lay down with your enemies to get what you want. this might not be the best way but i promised people who i talked to about it to get solid proofs for future reports

okay well you should know he was the one who used luckypyrate and bigjon to attempt a scam.
he's got many accounts somehow

The thing with swazall is a still ongoing thing and yes i let it happen for a reason. Most simply to get as many accounts linked together as possible. Due the information you get from the log, or not, you might have also noticed i bought an account from him. What you dont know i reported my self to grue after i got the feeling the acc was hacked, feel free to ask grue about it. besides the fact, i know he sells faked docs (i reported that thread) he is doing the acc gens (i reported those too) and i am still on him to link accounts together. well it seems that is spoiled now, doesnt matter.

people might think i am wild -veing but actually i report threads in bulk, feel free to ask lauda about it. as one of my methods had some mistakes i am trying to get more solid proof to get those i report removed.

If you want to go on with stuff i did that might fit into the schema, yes i also got some vouch copys. For a cracked acc, i used it to report it on the site it belongs to, some "methods" just to see what those sellers are dealing. In addition it is well known that i have several sockpuppets i use to get information from sellers they wont give me if i would use my main acc, you might like to ask hilariousandco.

As you see the actions i do are not hidden, there are several people informed about what and how i do it, just for the case someone like you comes around.

I see the point, but multiple ratings by different people also have their good side. QS's removal from DT caused several scammers to return according to QS. Before they[1] had been on DT they would need to write me, EcuaMobi and possible others from DT I dont know about. I would need to take the extra time to double check what they found to leave a rating. Now that they can do this all by themselves and they have quickly learned that being on DT means mostly getting bothered by people that disagree with your ratings. They are in my experience reasonable people despite the jokes and all that, willing to discuss the ratings they left and remove or change them. I think they still need some time to adapt to the new situation, but I dont think this thread is how you get them to change and it shouldnt be. Being on DT also means to stand up for what you think is right and not buckle down at the first signs for criticism.

[1] I will use they to refer to mexxer-2 & lutpin even though they are two distinct individuals and have their own style

I honestly respect your opinions Shorena.You are probably one of those guys I would want this noobs to take lessons from.
Finding Alt's,Stopping scams were done before on this forum even before these clowns were added to the DT.I'm not against the fact they stop scams but thye group attack the victim.

Let's say ,if you see an account negative tagged by VOD for a loan without collateral ,would you put a negative on his again? No,because it doesn't make sense to.All I'm saying is,they're group attacking the victims which is bullying and absolutely a trust abuse.Should be stopped.

Let's just say,how are you contributing to bitcoins in general ? Do you run a Full Node? Know what a hard fork is ? Ever set up a mining Rig ? Contributed to the network on GitHub? Your Spam filtering doesn't help the network anyway.Its useless.You barely have a single post in Bitcoin Discussion or Technical Discussions threads.I wonder how are you even allowed to be on the DT. There are numerous forums where regular scams take place,why don't you try your gimmicks there ? If your real intention is to stop spam ,then it must server a greater purpose and not only limit to this forum.

If I ever made a rule I'd allow only Bitcoin Experts to be on the Trust Lists .Not some jobless noobs who are here to waste time.