TF isn't in DefaultTrust anymore. 
Meant he added TF to his root trust, sorry. 
Topic: DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad. - page 6. (Read 12868 times)
Tweaked my settings a bit. I added users I haven't interacted with, but with ratings I like/trust.
Much better
You got TradeFortress in your default trust list...Much better
Which makes it useless to me.
TF isn't in DefaultTrust anymore.
Tweaked my settings a bit. I added users I haven't interacted with, but with ratings I like/trust.
Much better
You got TradeFortress in your default trust list...Much better
Which makes it useless to me.
It seems the trust system is causing more heartache than good.
"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."
"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone..."Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
Why should I trust someone you trust?
You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.
Hmmm, true.
Well the problem remains for newbies who don't know trustable people and/or can be easily tricked
"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."
"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone..."Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
Why should I trust someone you trust?
You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.
Hmmm, true.
"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."
"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
I don't see why everybody should have the same trust about someone..."Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
Why should I trust someone you trust?
You have -1 for me and I have -5 for you? Well I guess we won't trade together. And that's all.
"Well hang on, my trust list says you're untrusted..."
"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
"Hm? Mine says that I have +5 rep points and that you have -1..."
"No, it says -5 for you..."
- Why everyone having a different trust list isn't a perfect system.
I agree that having everyone being able to give rep that means something is bad because...look at my rep page, but having those people be exclusively chosen by ~10 people is worse.
I have an idea. Why not have a notification bar at the top of every page that doesn't go away until you've read how the Trust system works, and you've edited your Trust settings?
DefaultTrust would be fine and people wouldn't bitch about it if people weren't added to it just because they're friends of theymos. Fuck, at least have some user input if it's DEFAULT.
I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.
This I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.
DefaultTrust would be fine and people wouldn't bitch about it if people weren't added to it just because they're friends of theymos. Fuck, at least have some user input if it's DEFAULT.
I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.
I don't even edit my trust list because 90% of the forum will just have DefaultTrust and see my trust as DefaultTrust thinks it should be anyway. No point having 999 people with the same trust list and being the 1 person with a different trust list.
Default trust... what an oxymoron...
hahahah never thought about it like that, but definitely an oxymoron...
If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.
Sounds like horse shit to me.
He disclosed security flaws
IIRC he has already done things like that in the past.
If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.
Sounds like horse shit to me.
He disclosed security flaws but then his site got "hacked"? He's a scam artist and Theymos is either a fool or he was in on it.
If you check his trust, you see that Theymos added him to default trust, with the comment, "Responsibly disclosed forum security flaws." so I'd imagine thats how he got on the default trust network.
But really, he had tons of feedback, being on the default trust list I don't really think gave him any additional power after he had an additional 100 people leave good feedback for him. Assuming Tradefortress actually planned the long con if it was one, the default trust wouldn't help him all that much past a certain point.
In all fairness, I believe its just as likely that he staged the hack, as it is it was actually a hack, and now he just can't pay back the Bitcoins. Either way, a lot of people are out money.
But really, he had tons of feedback, being on the default trust list I don't really think gave him any additional power after he had an additional 100 people leave good feedback for him. Assuming Tradefortress actually planned the long con if it was one, the default trust wouldn't help him all that much past a certain point.
In all fairness, I believe its just as likely that he staged the hack, as it is it was actually a hack, and now he just can't pay back the Bitcoins. Either way, a lot of people are out money.
Guys dont worry tradefortress who stole 4000 btc is on the default trust list!
but he said he was hacked! we should definitely believe him because he is such an outstanding member of the community... blah blah puke...
I think the real question that needs to be answered is how many other members of this forum benefited from the scam? How much BTC did he pay to gain DefaultTrust?
Guys dont worry tradefortress who stole 4000 btc is on the default trust list!
Right. The Trust system isn't really designed to deal with "long con" situations, but it was performing particularly badly in this case. I changed the algorithm to more severely limit the maximum number of positive trust points you can get per month.
(I'm not saying that TradeFortress is or is not a scammer at this point, but someone with more than 30% negative trust ratings should have a negative trust score.)
I also removed TradeFortress from DefaultTrust (early yesterday), so his entire branch of the trust network is now untrusted by default.
(I'm not saying that TradeFortress is or is not a scammer at this point, but someone with more than 30% negative trust ratings should have a negative trust score.)
I also removed TradeFortress from DefaultTrust (early yesterday), so his entire branch of the trust network is now untrusted by default.
ive just been hit with this trust thing recently, it hurts especially when the giver is unreasonable and being an arse!!
any way how can i get someone ofe my default trust list so i can rid myself of the red writing? also does and positive feedback and trust impact the negative like on ebay, wipe it away after a while?
any way how can i get someone ofe my default trust list so i can rid myself of the red writing? also does and positive feedback and trust impact the negative like on ebay, wipe it away after a while?
Well, I meant to put a negative feedback on TradeFortress, I guess I'll have no problem now :O
Thanks to this faulty DefaultTrust system, I feared putting it there before now, see how well it worked.
Thanks to this faulty DefaultTrust system, I feared putting it there before now, see how well it worked.
Is it even possible to remove DefaultTrust? When I tried removing it on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust it appears again.
I hate to see people with +100 trust that I don't trust at all.
I hate to see people with +100 trust that I don't trust at all.
Yes, but you can't have a blank trust list. Put someone else there in place of DefaultTrust and it should stick.
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