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Nihil impunitum
November 13, 2020, 06:31:57 AM
#50

Anybody can make as many pools they want and anybody can set a different swap fees for the new pools.

Probably only whales can afford themselves to make a pool and seed it with enough liquidity. The empty pool or pool with the small liquidity would be not attractive for users. I see there are some pools (like GByte-LAMBO, GByte-PASTA, etc.) with the small liquidity, but I guess they were created just for fun.
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November 11, 2020, 02:59:23 AM
#49
Looks like liquidity mining on Obyte gets traction. Around 3000 GB have been already locked. I deposited half of bought IUSD, obtained in return OUSD and added remaining IUSD and  those OUSD into liquidity pool; already have been rewarded two times with Gbyte for providing liquidity. Is this a good tactic to get the profit from my initially bought IUSD?

Yes, interest token vs. stablecoin pools (IUSD-OUSD, IBIT-OBIT, IAU-OAU, OGB-IGB) and GBYTE-OGB pool are safest for liquidity providers in terms of profitability and currently they are weighted the same as all the other pools for the distribution. If you want to have the highest APY then you should also compound, which means that you mint new tokens with the rewarded GBYTE and add these new tokens to distribution too.

After third distribution which is scheduled for today I will probably reinvest rewarded Gbyte to get more profit from providing liquidity. I have noticed there are two Gbyte-OUSD pools: 1)0.3%,  1 GBYTE ≈ 25.769  and 2) 1%, 1 GBYTE ≈ 26.693 OUSD  Why is that?

 https://oswap.io/#/pools

Anybody can make as many pools they want and anybody can set a different swap fees for the new pools. Fees should be set based on what is the risk/reward ratio. For example, interest token vs. stablecoin pools are very low risk and should have low fees, any pool with GBYTE could be less profitable because price can change a lot.

Not all pools are part of the distribution because higher swap fee pools probably don't need that much subsidizing for liquidity providers and swap fees alone should be enough as incentive when there are plenty of liquidity providers.
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Nihil impunitum
November 11, 2020, 02:27:47 AM
#48
Looks like liquidity mining on Obyte gets traction. Around 3000 GB have been already locked. I deposited half of bought IUSD, obtained in return OUSD and added remaining IUSD and  those OUSD into liquidity pool; already have been rewarded two times with Gbyte for providing liquidity. Is this a good tactic to get the profit from my initially bought IUSD?


Yes, interest token vs. stablecoin pools (IUSD-OUSD, IBIT-OBIT, IAU-OAU, OGB-IGB) and GBYTE-OGB pool are safest for liquidity providers in terms of profitability and currently they are weighted the same as all the other pools for the distribution. If you want to have the highest APY then you should also compound, which means that you mint new tokens with the rewarded GBYTE and add these new tokens to distribution too.

After third distribution which is scheduled for today I will probably reinvest rewarded Gbyte to get more profit from providing liquidity. I have noticed there are two Gbyte-OUSD pools: 1)0.3%,  1 GBYTE ≈ 25.769  and 2) 1%, 1 GBYTE ≈ 26.693 OUSD  Why is that?

 https://oswap.io/#/pools
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November 09, 2020, 10:49:49 AM
#47
Looks like liquidity mining on Obyte gets traction. Around 3000 GB have been already locked. I deposited half of bought IUSD, obtained in return OUSD and added remaining IUSD and  those OUSD into liquidity pool; already have been rewarded two times with Gbyte for providing liquidity. Is this a good tactic to get the profit from my initially bought IUSD?


Yes, interest token vs. stablecoin pools (IUSD-OUSD, IBIT-OBIT, IAU-OAU, OGB-IGB) and GBYTE-OGB pool are safest for liquidity providers in terms of profitability and currently they are weighted the same as all the other pools for the distribution. If you want to have the highest APY then you should also compound, which means that you mint new tokens with the rewarded GBYTE and add these new tokens to distribution too.
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Nihil impunitum
November 09, 2020, 05:29:34 AM
#46
Looks like liquidity mining on Obyte gets traction. Around 3000 GB have been already locked. I deposited half of bought IUSD, obtained in return OUSD and added remaining IUSD and  those OUSD into liquidity pool; already have been rewarded two times with Gbyte for providing liquidity. Is this a good tactic to get the profit from my initially bought IUSD?

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October 30, 2020, 12:02:04 PM
#45

OK, but arbitrage bots should also have liquidity to move the price back. Where do they get it from?

Users can add liquidity to arbitrage AAs, arbitrage bots just trigger those AAs to do arbitrage trades, all the funds are securely in the AAs. There is community built UI to interact with those AAs.
https://angryxx.github.io/arb-aa-ui/

Thanks, I had no idea of that. If I use it and add liquidity directly to AA what I get in return? Why do someones  prefer to send their tokens to arbitrage instead of  using the "add liquidity" option in Pools interface on oswap? 

These are 2 different things, most of the arbitrage AAs at the moment are for governance token (GR...) vs reserve asset (GBYTE).
There are only 3 arbitrage AAs for IUSD/OUSD, IBIT/OBIT, IAU/OAU, which arbitrage the pools with same assets on Oswap.io
Basically, if somebody takes the pool off-balance on Oswap.io then somebody can profit from it by fixing the balance, easiest if it's done with arbitrage AA and bot.
Currently, there is more incentives to be a Oswap.io liquidity provider because there is distribution for that, but there is no distribution for those who provide liquidity to arbitrage AAs.
But there is less point to provide liquidity on Oswap.io to something as volatile as governance tokens and governance tokens can be traded (buy and redeem) on ostable.org too.
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October 30, 2020, 04:53:52 AM
#44

OK, but arbitrage bots should also have liquidity to move the price back. Where do they get it from?

Users can add liquidity to arbitrage AAs, arbitrage bots just trigger those AAs to do arbitrage trades, all the funds are securely in the AAs. There is community built UI to interact with those AAs.
https://angryxx.github.io/arb-aa-ui/

Thanks, I had no idea of that. If I use it and add liquidity directly to AA what I get in return? Why do someones  prefer to send their tokens to arbitrage instead of  using the "add liquidity" option in Pools interface on oswap? 
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October 29, 2020, 09:46:59 AM
#43


Oswap.io trading pools got just added to this community built chart tool https://angryxx.github.io/ostable-stats/
There have been some trades, but mostly on OUSD/IUSD (4th liquid pair)

Wow, thanks, very useful and I have bookmarked it. I noticed that starting from middle of October  the rate OUSD/IUSD  stays the same (~1). Why is that? IUSD yields interest while OUSD doesn't do that. So I thought OUSD/IUSD should be steadily decreasing.


It's slightly below $1 and it's on Oswap.io market pair, which price is not algorithmic like ostable.org price is, but depends on how people trade it. From time to time, arbitrage bots try to move the price back where it should be, if somebody moves it off balance with their swap trade.



OK, but arbitrage bots should also have liquidity to move the price back. Where do they get it from?

Users can add liquidity to arbitrage AAs, arbitrage bots just trigger those AAs to do arbitrage trades, all the funds are securely in the AAs. There is community built UI to interact with those AAs.
https://angryxx.github.io/arb-aa-ui/
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Nihil impunitum
October 29, 2020, 02:29:04 AM
#42


Oswap.io trading pools got just added to this community built chart tool https://angryxx.github.io/ostable-stats/
There have been some trades, but mostly on OUSD/IUSD (4th liquid pair)

Wow, thanks, very useful and I have bookmarked it. I noticed that starting from middle of October  the rate OUSD/IUSD  stays the same (~1). Why is that? IUSD yields interest while OUSD doesn't do that. So I thought OUSD/IUSD should be steadily decreasing.


It's slightly below $1 and it's on Oswap.io market pair, which price is not algorithmic like ostable.org price is, but depends on how people trade it. From time to time, arbitrage bots try to move the price back where it should be, if somebody moves it off balance with their swap trade.



OK, but arbitrage bots should also have liquidity to move the price back. Where do they get it from? BTW, yesterday was the first round of reward distribution for liquidity providers and I'm very pleased with Gbytes received by my wallet. The second  round is scheduled for Wednesday next week.
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October 27, 2020, 12:29:33 PM
#41


Oswap.io trading pools got just added to this community built chart tool https://angryxx.github.io/ostable-stats/
There have been some trades, but mostly on OUSD/IUSD (4th liquid pair)

Wow, thanks, very useful and I have bookmarked it. I noticed that starting from middle of October  the rate OUSD/IUSD  stays the same (~1). Why is that? IUSD yields interest while OUSD doesn't do that. So I thought OUSD/IUSD should be steadily decreasing.


It's slightly below $1 and it's on Oswap.io market pair, which price is not algorithmic like ostable.org price is, but depends on how people trade it. From time to time, arbitrage bots try to move the price back where it should be, if somebody moves it off balance with their swap trade.

Even on ostable.org the price can be volatile (depending on GBYTE/USD price), but in long run, less and less IUSD is needed to get 1 OUSD, it's just not very visible yet since not much time has passed https://ostable.org/trade/26XAPPPTTYRIOSYNCUV3NS2H57X5LZLJ#charts
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Nihil impunitum
October 27, 2020, 02:29:46 AM
#40


Oswap.io trading pools got just added to this community built chart tool https://angryxx.github.io/ostable-stats/
There have been some trades, but mostly on OUSD/IUSD (4th liquid pair)

Wow, thanks, very useful and I have bookmarked it. I noticed that starting from middle of October  the rate OUSD/IUSD  stays the same (~1). Why is that? IUSD yields interest while OUSD doesn't do that. So I thought OUSD/IUSD should be steadily decreasing.

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October 26, 2020, 08:50:14 AM
#39
if you are asking whether the 100GB rewards increases automatically as more people join then the answer is no, it is manually reviewed when it needs to be decrease or increased.


Yes, that’s exactly what I asked of.


The main point of the distribution is to get people to add liquidity, so others can start to trade. Once others can start to trade, liquidity providers start to earn from swap fees and they won't need that kind of distribution anymore. It's kind of like blockchain mining rewards - in the beginning, mining rewards come largely from block rewards, but as time goes on, more and more rewards start to come from transaction fees.

It's amain nice intention but it seems it doesn't work yet. The liquidity in every pools is growing day by day but there are almost no visible trades. Is there any statistics for pools on trades? What if after the last distribution round everyone will remove his liquidity from the pools?

Oswap.io trading pools got just added to this community built chart tool https://angryxx.github.io/ostable-stats/
There have been some trades, but mostly on OUSD/IUSD (4th liquid pair) and OUSD/GBYTE (most liquid pair) pools.
I doubt everybody will remove liquidity, some were providing liquidity even before distribution and many where holding GBYTE for long time and had no use for it - now it earns interest as some interest coin and earns fees from providing liquidity and earns reward from distribution. Doesn't make sense for them to switch it back to GBYTE if the interest coin still earns them more value.

And even if you remove liquidity from pools, you get your share of both tokens, not what you put in originally, so you would still need to dump them somewhere, so where do you dump them if you remove the liquidity? Some people always manage to loose their keys during any period of time, so i can happen that these pools never become entirely empty.
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Nihil impunitum
October 26, 2020, 03:07:51 AM
#38
if you are asking whether the 100GB rewards increases automatically as more people join then the answer is no, it is manually reviewed when it needs to be decrease or increased.


Yes, that’s exactly what I asked of.


The main point of the distribution is to get people to add liquidity, so others can start to trade. Once others can start to trade, liquidity providers start to earn from swap fees and they won't need that kind of distribution anymore. It's kind of like blockchain mining rewards - in the beginning, mining rewards come largely from block rewards, but as time goes on, more and more rewards start to come from transaction fees.

It's amain nice intention but it seems it doesn't work yet. The liquidity in every pools is growing day by day but there are almost no visible trades. Is there any statistics for pools on trades? What if after the last distribution round everyone will remove his liquidity from the pools?
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October 24, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
#37
To improve the liquidity of bonded stablecoins, we'll incentivize liquidity provision on selected Oswap pools.

100 GB per week will be distributed to liquidity providers.

https://medium.com/obyte/liquidity-mining-8cce2bf3722e

Four days left for the first distribution and the pressure is escalated,  I see more that more than  2000 GB worth LP tokens have been already locked. The  pool assets from new users are of little benefit for those (me including)who have already  locked their tokens. Is there dependence  of the fund allocated for particular distribution round on the total value locked?

Not 100% sure what you are asking, but if you are asking whether the 100GB rewards increases automatically as more people join then the answer is no, it is manually reviewed when it needs to be decrease or increased. If you are asking whether the everyone's reward gets smaller when more people join then the answer is yes because 100GB needs to be distributed among more people. Unless, it gets decided to increase the 100GB reward.

The main point of the distribution is to get people to add liquidity, so others can start to trade. Once others can start to trade, liquidity providers start to earn from swap fees and they won't need that kind of distribution anymore. It's kind of like blockchain mining rewards - in the beginning, mining rewards come largely from block rewards, but as time goes on, more and more rewards start to come from transaction fees.
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October 24, 2020, 01:25:28 AM
#36
To improve the liquidity of bonded stablecoins, we'll incentivize liquidity provision on selected Oswap pools.

100 GB per week will be distributed to liquidity providers.

https://medium.com/obyte/liquidity-mining-8cce2bf3722e

Four days left for the first distribution and the pressure is escalated,  I see more that more than  2000 GB worth LP tokens have been already locked. The  pool assets from new users are of little benefit for those (me including)who have already  locked their tokens. Is there dependence  of the fund allocated for particular distribution round on the total value locked?
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October 20, 2020, 01:19:35 PM
#35
To improve the liquidity of bonded stablecoins, we'll incentivize liquidity provision on selected Oswap pools.

100 GB per week will be distributed to liquidity providers.

https://medium.com/obyte/liquidity-mining-8cce2bf3722e
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October 16, 2020, 08:30:33 AM
#34

 but if the something moves the price off-peg more than 2% any direction and nobody fixes the peg in 2 hours then 10% can be moved from Slow Capacitor to Fast Capacitor, so somebody could get the reward to fix the price.




Thanks for full answer. If I understood it in the correct way that "Click to move" button in "Capacitor" section of ostable's Trade   will be in active state in only one case i.e.when the price is more than 2% of the peg. Under any other circumstance it will stay "gray". Is that correct?


Yes, if it's been over 2% off-peg for 2 hours. If during 2 hours, somebody moves the peg back below 2% then the timer starts counting 2 hours again. Also, if the capacity was moved from slow to fast, but the peg was not fixed back to below 2% then the timer won't start again until it's gone below 2%.

I think there are some bots who move the capacity automatically when they can and on Discord, there is a post about arbitrage AA addresses that anybody can send funds, so it would trade for you (it will give pool share tokens if you send governance tokens or GBYTE to them)
https://discordapp.com/channels/534371689996222485/535091748012032033/759197572253745193
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October 16, 2020, 07:08:09 AM
#33

 but if the something moves the price off-peg more than 2% any direction and nobody fixes the peg in 2 hours then 10% can be moved from Slow Capacitor to Fast Capacitor, so somebody could get the reward to fix the price.




Thanks for full answer. If I understood it in the correct way that "Click to move" button in "Capacitor" section of ostable's Trade   will be in active state in only one case i.e.when the price is more than 2% of the peg. Under any other circumstance it will stay "gray". Is that correct?
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October 08, 2020, 02:40:48 AM
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Could you elaborate a bit more the functionality  of capacitors on ostable. Who is eligible to move the capacity from slow to fast pool to fix the price to the peg  and how calculate  the reward for this? "Click to move" button on Capacitors section of  ostable's  Trade is in deactivated state  all the time when I watch it.

https://twitter.com/tarmo888/status/1309141133457608707
I have explained Capacitors in Twitter thread, but basically - every time somebody moves the price off-peg, they need to pay fees. 50% of these fees go to Slow Capacitor and 50% go to Fast Capacitors. When somebody fixes the peg by buying more/less interest tokens than governance tokens or redeeming one or the other, they will get the reward from Fast Capacitor. If they fully fix the peg then they get all that is in Fast Capacitor.

Now, price can go off-peg because the oracle result too, so it's not always because somebody bought or sold something too much, so in many cases, the Fast Capacitor could be even empty, but if the something moves the price off-peg more than 2% any direction and nobody fixes the peg in 2 hours then 10% can be moved from Slow Capacitor to Fast Capacitor, so somebody could get the reward to fix the price.

All these variables like 50%, 2 hours, 2%, 10% can also be changed by voting with governance tokens.
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October 08, 2020, 01:23:45 AM
#31
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Could you elaborate a bit more the functionality  of capacitors on ostable. Who is eligible to move the capacity from slow to fast pool to fix the price to the peg  and how calculate  the reward for this? "Click to move" button on Capacitors section of  ostable's  Trade is in deactivated state  all the time when I watch it.
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