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September 25, 2015, 07:30:34 AM
#31
And what if there are not enough same rolls? Let's say I decide to change the bet after 5 same rolls (5x or 5y), start betting and end up with a pattern like 1x 3y 4x 1y 1x and so on. I could end up gambling whole day and never really getting to use the strategy but losing all my money if I choose wrong.

That is why choose the appropriate trigger for your number of bets. Also you bet only 100 satoshi on normal bets, so you lose what 100,000 satoshi max?

Still better than losing tons of money.


If you bet 100 bets , then the trigger should be 7-8 consecutives because higher than that is not likely to happen, and so on. Use my simulator to check how many consecutives happen in different bet numbers.
legendary
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September 25, 2015, 06:26:33 AM
#30
Of coure, Low risk, low rewards
High risk high return
But i'm not sure about this
Fo me strategi for betting so simple just bet.bet and bet again
And be patience to play in gambling
legendary
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September 25, 2015, 06:23:58 AM
#29
And what if there are not enough same rolls? Let's say I decide to change the bet after 5 same rolls (5x or 5y), start betting and end up with a pattern like 1x 3y 4x 1y 1x and so on. I could end up gambling whole day and never really getting to use the strategy but losing all my money if I choose wrong.
legendary
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September 25, 2015, 06:00:47 AM
#28
Is it really a 'strategy'? It seems more like an automated gambling where you bet thousands of times and expect to win more than 50% of bets.
As you said: "because it might involve betting 5000 times in a row". There is not really any sophisticated strategy involved in dice, only raw math...
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September 25, 2015, 05:53:36 AM
#27

Do you believe your strategy is positive EV? Wink
No, and i never said I will give any edge, I just said that this strategy can help gamble in a "safer" way.


You are talking about a distribution with trillions of trillions of trillions...... of rolls tending towards infinity. The concept you are talking of doesn't apply here. The sample size even if you make a trillion rolls is too small and not representative

I do appreciate the effort. Anyway, you will learn some new stuff. Grin

Ok but we wont have trillions of bets, so we can already separate lucky people from unlucky in a  few thousand ones.

I dont view luck as you do. I think luck can built a pattern, after all many many quadrillions of tiny atoms moving randomly make up our nice planet, and we do have a trend on here.

So i think trends can rise out of randomness that are temporary too.
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September 25, 2015, 05:43:42 AM
#26
So your betting strategy is basically the definition of gamblers fallacy?  How would you expect us not to mention it?  There is no way you studied stats and came up with this, I studied stats for 1 year and I can tell you this is pretty much what you learn on day 1, "Are the events independent on one another or not"

In your case, they are not, so you are doing nothing with stats at all.

If you'd care to read my posts before replying it would be better.

I didnt deny that the rolls are independent of another, but overall they are confined to a cluster that is dictated by the local probabilities.

After 10 heads the tails has a higher probability of occuring (locally). Yes this is true.

However if the overall cluster is reshuffled, to give room to 11,12,13... heads in a row, then obviously that will happen eventually too.

So we must look for a exploitation in the cluster until it is intact , but that is impossible to predict because that is random too, it can reshuffle anytime.

So yes you need to be lucky too, I dont give any edge here, i`m just trying to exploit a pattern until it exists, after its gone we can lose too, so it is gamble.

I can't believe your charging for the demo

This is a sales thread  after all....

You're a cheeky monkey

That was not my intention at all, i just didnt found a free file hosting service.

Here i found one, so now you can download it for free and see for yourself.
hero member
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September 24, 2015, 05:36:13 PM
#25
I don't think people understand the gambler's fallacy.

Even if you flip a coin and get tails 100 times, the next coin flip has a 50% chance to be tails and a 50% chance to be heads. Not anything different.

However, from the BEGINNING, there is a 3.9443045261050590270586428264139e-31% chance to roll tails 101 times.

But your very next bet has no relation with your previous bets.

If the winning chance is 50%, it will always be 50%. No more, no less.

This is correct, Even though the odds of the flip never change the provability of getting tails that 101 times is lower than say rolling once. But the odds is still 50/50 no matter how many time you flip the coin. I would love to see the betters face though after receiving 100 roles of heads when he has been betting on tails the entire time.
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Spear the bees
September 24, 2015, 05:22:07 PM
#24
I don't think people understand the gambler's fallacy.

Even if you flip a coin and get tails 100 times, the next coin flip has a 50% chance to be tails and a 50% chance to be heads. Not anything different.

However, from the BEGINNING, there is a 3.9443045261050590270586428264139e-31% chance to roll tails 101 times.

But your very next bet has no relation with your previous bets.

If the winning chance is 50%, it will always be 50%. No more, no less.
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September 24, 2015, 01:23:19 PM
#23
I can't believe your charging for the demo

This is a sales thread  after all....

You're a cheeky monkey
legendary
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September 24, 2015, 10:53:34 AM
#22
Nope, you just don't get it. What you are talking about is precisely termed as gambler's fallacy. (above post makes it pretty more than clear)

Do you believe your strategy is positive EV? Wink


LOL, you did. xD

No I was explaining that the official explanation of the fallacy is short sided, its more to it just than the independent outcomes. Because the cluster is randomized too, so weather the odds are set to any amount, the distribution tends to follow the variance.

Or in other words , except a few black swans, the distribution is also contained to a local variance and it can be exploited to control risk better.

Example: if you flip a coin 100 times, the odds of being tails 10 times is 0.09765625% and yet the 11th roll  is less likely to be tails, but not impossible.So eventually the heads have to come, so we can say that the local probability can vary wehereas the overally probability remains constant. Now this is no way a guarantee, because somehow the 12 consecutive tails have to come too, but then the local probabilities just reshuffle, randomly.

This is a common mathematical phenomena. I think its called local probability distribution:
http://pitt.edu/~druzdzel/psfiles/flairs06.pdf

Which is also called gambler's fallacy. Smiley


But apply it in this case. With this strategy too the risk is 1.9% more than the reward.

Hey its random anyway, but you have to understand that based on odds, somebody can come out a net winner even after 100,000 rolls. It all depends on the local distribution , how it gets shuffled.

And those who are losers, at least lose less than they normally would with other strategies.

You are talking about a distribution with trillions of trillions of trillions...... of rolls tending towards infinity. The concept you are talking of doesn't apply here. The sample size even if you make a trillion rolls is too small and not representative


I do appreciate the effort. Anyway, you will learn some new stuff. Grin
legendary
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September 24, 2015, 10:24:44 AM
#21
Even though if you roll 20 heads in a row, it is more likely that the 21st will be tails. Of course next time it might be 21 heads in a row, but its all random.

It's not just the individual outcome that is random, but the cluster too, so even though if you have 20 heads in a row, it is morel likely that the 21st will be tails, it is not true always.

By betting tails after the 20th, you might win once, but you might lose another time. But it gives a bigger certainty anyway than just naked betting randomly.

Quote from: The gambler's fallacy
[...] is the mistaken belief that, if something happens more frequently than normal during some period, it will happen less frequently in the future [...]
hero member
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September 24, 2015, 10:21:07 AM
#20
So your betting strategy is basically the definition of gamblers fallacy?  How would you expect us not to mention it?  There is no way you studied stats and came up with this, I studied stats for 1 year and I can tell you this is pretty much what you learn on day 1, "Are the events independent on one another or not"

In your case, they are not, so you are doing nothing with stats at all.
sr. member
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September 24, 2015, 08:22:33 AM
#19
I think your strategic is bad and that you don't have any idea of what your are doing. In the long run it is impossible to make profit, because in 100 rolls you lose 51 and win 49, so you are losing money already, after 1000 more loss and in 10000 you will have lost everything you have.
legendary
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September 24, 2015, 08:20:34 AM
#18
I don't believe in any strategy regarding dice site an lucky person can with any strategy i am always go with 49.50% win with 2x payout and i like to play with that mostly i use for a session not to play for long term and take withdraw after done if i lose never try to recover and come with new deposit for next session other day so that i will advice keep believe in your self never try others strategy for winning on dice site.
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September 24, 2015, 08:19:05 AM
#17
Thanks for sharing anyways.

These are nothing new though.... it's the same as the old double bet strategy on Roulette.

Good luck with your gambling

But the roulette system is not 50%, its something like 48%, which is not good for this strategy.

I specifically said that this one works best in 50% games to maximize the odds for us.

I am testing a modified version now, and it might be ready soon Cheesy
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September 24, 2015, 08:15:41 AM
#16
Thanks for sharing anyways.

These are nothing new though.... it's the same as the old double bet strategy on Roulette.

Good luck with your gambling
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September 24, 2015, 08:06:44 AM
#15
This method takes too long to win a little bit of satoshi and every bet is independent of the previous.
In theory, you can lose 30 times in a row and you cannot blame that the gambling site is rigged.

I never said that this method will guarantee you anything. Gambling is a game of luck, we all know that.

It's all based on luck and probabilities, and the probability of losing 30 times in a row is ultra unlikely, I would not expect that to happen even in 50 million bets, so we can say that its unlikely.

I choose then 20 because I was looking at 200,000 bets, but if that is also too much for you then you can lower that.

If you bet manually, say 200 times then you will likely stay below 10 consecutive heads/tails , and if you bet on 20, you might never reach that.

You should configure the strategy to what you use.
legendary
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September 24, 2015, 07:27:36 AM
#14
This method takes too long to win a little bit of satoshi and every bet is independent of the previous.
In theory, you can lose 30 times in a row and you cannot blame that the gambling site is rigged.
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September 24, 2015, 05:36:49 AM
#13
Yeah, coz of variance it could show anywhere from a massive profit to a massive loss.

With 500,000 rolls the maximum loss I simulated was about 36%, and I won more times usually. In real life gambling I never even experienced a 10% loss ever since I use this strategy.

I depends on luck too, I dont deny that.



LOL, you did. xD

No I was explaining that the official explanation of the fallacy is short sided, its more to it just than the independent outcomes. Because the cluster is randomized too, so weather the odds are set to any amount, the distribution tends to follow the variance.

Or in other words , except a few black swans, the distribution is also contained to a local variance and it can be exploited to control risk better.

Example: if you flip a coin 100 times, the odds of being tails 10 times is 0.09765625%  and yet the 11th roll  is less likely to be tails, but not impossible.So eventually the heads have to come, so we can say that the local probability can vary wehereas the overally probability remains constant. Now this is no way a guarantee, because somehow the 12 consecutive tails have to come too, but then the local probabilities just reshuffle, randomly.

This is a common mathematical phenomena. I think its called local probability distribution:
http://pitt.edu/~druzdzel/psfiles/flairs06.pdf


But apply it in this case. With this strategy too the risk is 1.9% more than the reward.

Hey its random anyway, but you have to understand that based on odds, somebody can come out a net winner even after 100,000 rolls. It all depends on the local distribution , how it gets shuffled.

And those who are losers, at least lose less than they normally would with other strategies.
legendary
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September 24, 2015, 05:27:18 AM
#12
Individually the bets are random and independent, but collectively they tend to built up a pattern.

Guess what? They don't. It is human tendency to connect things that aren't. Smiley

Every single thing is distinct and it is impossible to accurately predict the next roll. There is no trend. No such rule that all rolls would be equally distributed either though you might assume they are.


Edit: To give clarity just check how SatoshiDice's provably fair system works. IIRC, they are just adding two random numbers and that is it.
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