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sr. member
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October 19, 2011, 03:14:15 AM
#54
1. Block Explorer
2. I said I was going to raise block rate to 4 blocks per second, right before I did it.
3. At one point it was fairly clear that over 20% of network connections were that EC2
4. I killed my EC2 farm and network EC2 dropped to less than 0.5%

My weather attack:
1. Season knowledge
2. I said it was going to snow in the winter, right before it did
3. At one point it was very clear that this was because of the low temperature
4. In the spring I raised temperature again, and it stopped to snow!

Thats based off of historical facts.
full member
Activity: 154
Merit: 100
October 19, 2011, 03:14:12 AM
#53
Also if someone could tell me the 'why' of mining in SC 2.0 - if protection has already been achieved with the 'trusted nodes', why have 'the public' waste all that electricity mining?  Why is distribution still through mining?

That decision is up to the public, if they would rather buy the coins instead of mine them, then they are free to do so.

I'm asking the rational of the protocol.  Why mining as a means of distribution?
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1015
October 19, 2011, 03:14:10 AM
#52
@Ahimoth,

I take it the answer is you DO NOT know that the 10 trusted nodes coins cannot be spent, all you have is Coinhunter's word.

Is that correct and as an "IT Professional" this sits well with you?
Don't you think CoinHunter has alot more to loose by not pre-coding that clause into the code, and proving people like you wrong?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
October 19, 2011, 03:13:52 AM
#51
We know because he said so =O
but we really don't KNOW

Are you talking about BCX attacks on Solidcoin 2.0?
How do you know they happened?

Lure yourself out of this one...


1. Block Explorer
2. I said I was going to raise block rate to 4 blocks per second, right before I did it.
3. At one point it was fairly clear that over 20% of network connections were that EC2
4. I killed my EC2 farm and network EC2 dropped to less than 0.5%


I see nothing.. Only you talking, nothing more, no proof whatsoever...

^ and I wasn't

Edit: you'd known that if you looked at who i quoted instead of removing it

Your sarcasm detector is broken, dude... Was that caused by an imaginary BCX attack on your sarcasm neural network?
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
October 19, 2011, 03:13:15 AM
#50
1. Block Explorer
2. I said I was going to raise block rate to 4 blocks per second, right before I did it.
3. At one point it was fairly clear that over 20% of network connections were that EC2
4. I killed my EC2 farm and network EC2 dropped to less than 0.5%

My weather attack:
1. Season knowledge
2. I said it was going to snow in the winter, right before it did
3. At one point it was very clear that this was because of the low temperature
4. In the spring I raised temperature again, and it stopped to snow!
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1015
October 19, 2011, 03:12:42 AM
#49
Also if someone could tell me the 'why' of mining in SC 2.0 - if protection has already been achieved with the 'trusted nodes', why have 'the public' waste all that electricity mining?  Why is distribution still through mining?

That decision is up to the public, if they would rather buy the coins instead of mine them, then they are free to do so.
Remember these trusted nodes also MINE as well Smiley. If no one else is mining the difficulty stays low and they eat a bigger chunk of the pie.
sr. member
Activity: 418
Merit: 253
October 19, 2011, 03:11:41 AM
#48
We know because he said so =O
but we really don't KNOW

Are you talking about BCX attacks on Solidcoin 2.0?
How do you know they happened?

Lure yourself out of this one...


1. Block Explorer
2. I said I was going to raise block rate to 4 blocks per second, right before I did it.
3. At one point it was fairly clear that over 20% of network connections were that EC2
4. I killed my EC2 farm and network EC2 dropped to less than 0.5%


^ and I wasn't

Edit: you'd known that if you looked at who i quoted instead of removing it
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 250
October 19, 2011, 03:09:34 AM
#47
Also if someone could tell me the 'why' of mining in SC 2.0 - if protection has already been achieved with the 'trusted nodes', why have 'the public' waste all that electricity mining?  Why is distribution still through mining?

That decision is up to the public, if they would rather buy the coins instead of mine them, then they are free to do so.
legendary
Activity: 1204
Merit: 1000
฿itcoin: Currency of Resistance!
October 19, 2011, 03:08:59 AM
#46
Those Coinhunter lap puppies are so easy to manipulate, I baited them right into that.

Once again, how do you know that the 10 Trusted Nodes cannot spend the coins?

~BCX~


(I imagine them huddled together, saying, uh what's the answer.....)

Just forget about Solidcoin 2.0... Let people will realize by themselves that this is crap...  ;-)

Let's make the Bitcoin better and better!!

Forget about SC2 BCX!
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Activity: 154
Merit: 100
October 19, 2011, 03:06:55 AM
#45
Also if someone could tell me the 'why' of mining in SC 2.0 - if protection has already been achieved with the 'trusted nodes', why have 'the public' waste all that electricity mining?  Why is distribution still through mining?
legendary
Activity: 1358
Merit: 1002
October 19, 2011, 03:04:35 AM
#44
We know because he said so =O
but we really don't KNOW

Are you talking about BCX attacks on Solidcoin 2.0?
How do you know they happened?

Lure yourself out of this one...
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 250
October 19, 2011, 03:03:34 AM
#43
and we KNOW this how?

Yes, if anyone gets around to answering my distribution question above:  How do ya'll all know this?  Is this what the source says, or just what CH says (honest question)

Has the code been reviewed by an "independent third party", no it has not. The public will have to wait until the scheduled source release this weekend.
sr. member
Activity: 418
Merit: 253
October 19, 2011, 02:59:51 AM
#42
So let me get this straight.

Anyone can be a trusted node. All they have to do is accumulate 1 Million SC and become a node. Coinhunter specifically said Trusted Nodes cannot spend the 1Million coins because he had hard coded the chain against them. Are we really to believe to that anyone would donate a million SC just to be a Trusted Node?

It doesn't add up, seriously.

You have it wrong, only the original 10 trusted node's wallets can't be spent on the network.

and we KNOW this how?

We know because he said so =O
but we really don't KNOW
hero member
Activity: 938
Merit: 1002
October 19, 2011, 02:58:17 AM
#41
Technically if you ddosed all the pools and went on to hit individual users with a coordinated strike by multiple botnets, you could then very easily 51% the network.

If you did that yes, but that part is not "very easy". You are talking about denying thousands of nodes instead of mere 10. It's just a matter of scale. The point is not if these networks can survive in their infancy, it's about which technology will be more resilient when they are big enough. That's why BCX's attack is not very useful at proving the point as well. When controlling these networks will be worth enough, DDOS will work for neither, just like DDOS'ing paypal wouldn't. The only point to be made, which is enough in my opinion, is that fewer points of failure is worse in principle. There is nothing stopping powerful entities from physically intervening with these nodes. I wouldn't want my money to be subject to the judgement of a few controlling entities.

Think of it this way... You could create a network of issuers and servers with OpenTransactions. Let's say, there are tens of these. There can be proxies and whatnot to protect their privacy, so the same methods apply. This way, you don't need to waste electricity on proof-of-work at all, and get the same protection of integrity. There are no 51% attacks. No more being subject to the "unfair distribution" argument as well. Distribute the money with free development bounties, so that all will be earned by hard work and issuers won't unjustly make money off of the currency itself. How is this not better?
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October 19, 2011, 02:58:12 AM
#40
and we KNOW this how?

Yes, if anyone gets around to answering my distribution question above:  How do ya'll all know this?  Is this what the source says, or just what CH says (honest question)
legendary
Activity: 1764
Merit: 1015
October 19, 2011, 02:56:16 AM
#39
So let me get this straight.

Anyone can be a trusted node. All they have to do is accumulate 1 Million SC and become a node. Coinhunter specifically said Trusted Nodes cannot spend the 1Million coins because he had hard coded the chain against them. Are we really to believe to that anyone would donate a million SC just to be a Trusted Node?

It doesn't add up, seriously.

He has hardcoded the addresses of the premined trusted nodes... These can't be spent, but every other address with 1mio+ can act as a trusted node if they want and also spend their coins.
Yes and to add to this point if you go under 1,000,000 you automatically loose super-node status.
sr. member
Activity: 812
Merit: 250
October 19, 2011, 02:55:34 AM
#38
So let me get this straight.

Anyone can be a trusted node. All they have to do is accumulate 1 Million SC and become a node. Coinhunter specifically said Trusted Nodes cannot spend the 1Million coins because he had hard coded the chain against them. Are we really to believe to that anyone would donate a million SC just to be a Trusted Node?

It doesn't add up, seriously.

You have it wrong, only the original 10 trusted node's wallets can't be spent on the network.
full member
Activity: 168
Merit: 100
October 19, 2011, 02:54:39 AM
#37
So let me get this straight.

Anyone can be a trusted node. All they have to do is accumulate 1 Million SC and become a node. Coinhunter specifically said Trusted Nodes cannot spend the 1Million coins because he had hard coded the chain against them. Are we really to believe to that anyone would donate a million SC just to be a Trusted Node?

It doesn't add up, seriously.

He has hardcoded the addresses of the premined trusted nodes... These can't be spent, but every other address with 1mio+ can act as a trusted node if they want and also spend their coins.
sr. member
Activity: 418
Merit: 253
October 19, 2011, 02:39:01 AM
#36
No it couldn't.  BTC doesn't have a single point of failure.

Worst case scenario everyone solo mines or uses full distributed pool like p2pool.


Luckily satoshi wasn't an idiot to take a nearly perfectly distributed network of peers and replace it with a vulnerable centralized network of trust.

Technically if you ddosed all the pools and went on to hit individual users with a coordinated strike by multiple botnets, you could then very easily 51% the network.

Even if you could DDoS a lot of the users on btc, its not a long term issue, eventually you wont have enough computers to take down a lot of the users on the network.
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October 19, 2011, 02:38:44 AM
#35
Okay, second question:

With how SC is designed around 'trusted nodes', and that's what protects vs a 51% attack... what's the point of mining?

I mean, why can't those trusted nodes simply do all the work to progress the chain?

They could, if everyone decides to buy coins instead of mine them, we could just the the trusted nodes run the chain 100%

see edit above
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