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Ahimoth

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Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:30:02 AM

Okay, second question:

With how SC is designed around 'trusted nodes', and that's what protects vs a 51% attack... what's the point of mining?

I mean, why can't those trusted nodes simply do all the work to progress the chain?

They could, if everyone decides to buy coins instead of mine them, we could just the the trusted nodes run the chain 100%

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Okay, second question:

With how SC is designed around 'trusted nodes', and that's what protects vs a 51% attack... what's the point of mining?

I mean, why can't those trusted nodes simply do all the work to progress the chain?

Edit: I understand mining is a means of distribution. But in BTC mining serves as distribution AND protection. If SC has solved the protection with the 'trusted nodes'... why still have mining as a means of distribution?

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Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:23:15 AM

Quote from: FlipPro on October 19, 2011, 02:16:05 AM

Edit:If you don't think that a network where the richest people protect the network with their OWN MONEY, isn't the one that has the least points of failures then I don't know what is. This system prevents 51% attacks, and insures that the people with the most money to loose never attack the network. And even if they did attack the network, they would only be one part of a greater decentralized authority.

The psychology of 'protecting the network with their own money' (which is another discussion) is not apart of the protocol. I'm asking about the protocol. The protocol says "If you fuck this handful of trusted nodes, the network freezes" - does that not bother anyone?

Right now we have 10 but in the future there will obviously be more. One interesting fact to note is that only the people at the top are the ones who pay the CPF.This CPF is part of the "fee" for being a trusted node and being that essential part of the network. I mention this because a common misconception here BTCtalk is that everyone on the network pays the CPF. That is simply not true..

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Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:23:15 AM

Quote from: FlipPro on October 19, 2011, 02:16:05 AM

Edit:If you don't think that a network where the richest people protect the network with their OWN MONEY, isn't the one that has the least points of failures then I don't know what is. This system prevents 51% attacks, and insures that the people with the most money to loose never attack the network. And even if they did attack the network, they would only be one part of a greater decentralized authority.

The psychology of 'protecting the network with their own money' (which is another discussion) is not apart of the protocol. I'm asking about the protocol. The protocol says "If you fuck this handful of trusted nodes, the network freezes" - does that not bother anyone?

Yes, the network freezes unitl a super node get a new IP. But no coins are lost in that scenario. As soon as the chain starts moving again, its business as usual.

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Quote from: FlipPro on October 19, 2011, 02:16:05 AM

Edit:If you don't think that a network where the richest people protect the network with their OWN MONEY, isn't the one that has the least points of failures then I don't know what is. This system prevents 51% attacks, and insures that the people with the most money to loose never attack the network. And even if they did attack the network, they would only be one part of a greater decentralized authority.

The psychology of 'protecting the network with their own money' (which is another discussion) is not apart of the protocol. I'm asking about the protocol. The protocol says "If you fuck this handful of trusted nodes, the network freezes" - does that not bother anyone?

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Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:15:06 AM

Quote from: FlipPro on October 19, 2011, 02:12:28 AM

Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:05:42 AM

Genuine question:

Given that the 'trusted nodes' are very critical points of failure in the SC system, why doesn't this bother SC supporters?

No because anyone can become a "trusted node" after they have 1,000,000 Solidcoins, however I am waiting for the source like many others,before we begin to fight back some of the smear campaigning that has been going on...

The process of which one becomes a point-of-failure is irrelevant - it's the danger that points-of-failure bring.

Like the many points-of-failures in Bitcoin?

Edit:If you don't think that a network where the richest people protect the network with their OWN MONEY, isn't the one that has the least points of failures then I don't know what is. This system prevents 51% attacks, and insures that the people with the most money to loose never attack the network. And even if they did attack the network, they would only be one part of a greater decentralized authority.

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Quote from: FlipPro on October 19, 2011, 02:12:28 AM

Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:05:42 AM

Genuine question:

Given that the 'trusted nodes' are very critical points of failure in the SC system, why doesn't this bother SC supporters?

No because anyone can become a "trusted node" after they have 1,000,000 Solidcoins, however I am waiting for the source like many others,before we begin to fight back some of the smear campaigning that has been going on...

The process of which one becomes a point-of-failure is irrelevant - it's the danger that points-of-failure bring.

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Quote from: johnj on October 19, 2011, 02:05:42 AM

Genuine question:

Given that the 'trusted nodes' are very critical points of failure in the SC system, why doesn't this bother SC supporters?

No because anyone can become a "trusted node" after they have 1,000,000 Solidcoins, thus keeping the system fully "decentralized".However I am waiting for the source like many others,before we begin to fight back some of the smear campaigning that has been going on...

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Weren't you ignoring me, douchebag?

LOL

You deserve it again:

johnj

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Genuine question:

Given that the 'trusted nodes' are very critical points of failure in the SC system, why doesn't this bother SC supporters?

Raoul Duke

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StalkerEXpress on work here dudes, nothing to see, move along!

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BitcoinExpress why the fuck are you posting peoples houses on a Public forum. What does this prove you moron? Obviously he wasn't trying to hide the fact that his office was from home, like many professionals do their work during these tough economic times. But you wouldn't know anything about real work would you?

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http://www.google.com/search?q="solidcoin+is+a+scam" <--- 5 results
vs.
http://www.google.com/search?q="bitcoin+is+a+scam" <--- 14,500 results

Google tells us that Bitcoin is the real scam.

LOL

And now the cherry:

Quote from: ?? on ??

PS: Do a Google search for Solid 2.0 Scam.

I did: www.google.com/search?q="Solid+2.0+scam" <-- No results found for "Solid 2.0 scam".

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We are now at block 33522 on SC. Did I miss anything here folks?

Ahimoth

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@Ahimoth

This is a nice house but it doesn't look much like a serious webhosting business to me. This is your company Rylen Systems?
So please don't lecture me about being a wannabe LOL Grin

Yep, thats my Jeep in the driveway. But again, who ever said I ran a public hosting company? More poor assumptions by BitcoinExpress... tsk tsk.

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Quote from: TheLaundryMan on October 19, 2011, 01:01:01 AM

Oh and ofc you wouldn't be using LOIC to commit those attacks LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

Your comments show that you don't understand what is result orientation and suggest that you do not have any practical experience whatoever.
In real life (i.e not in your favorite holywood movie) if you can run a 51% attack using a couple thousand threads mining for a few bucks per hour at spot on EC2, then you go for it.
If you have got a handful of 4chaners you can hire to flood your target using LOIC, then you go for it.
You can comment all you want and be pretentious : that won't change the fact that BCX delivers, and you don't.

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Quote from: Ahimoth on October 19, 2011, 01:22:26 AM

OP, man you are dumb.

You do realize we can change a miner ID in a moments notice, or someone might reboot their node at any time. You make broad assumptions... oh and by the way, where is this fork of the SC2 blockchain you were bragging about a week ago? Did it magicaly disappear when the description of how the super nodes work was released? At least a few people on these forums are starting to call BS when they smell it coming out of BitcoinExpress. I wonder how many more lies and criminal behavior you need to spew before the entire community turns against you? But until that day, I would like to thank those individuals who already have called you out.

For someone who supposed full of shit, it brings on 5-6 of you instantly to try and dispel something talked about in IRC?? If I am full of shit then it isn't criminal is it?

BTW, the individuals calling me are nothing more than Coinhunter lap dogs LOL.

I am well aware you changed IP and renamed the attacked node to Bill Cosby and Trusted010 to BTCisDying. Trust me I'm already working on it.

PS: Do a Google search for Solid 2.0 Scam.

I see no response to the forked chain comment... can I safely assume you are admitting the forked chain was a lie or do you have a response?

Ahimoth

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OP, man you are dumb.

You do realize we can change a miner ID in a moments notice, or someone might reboot their node at any time. You make broad assumptions... oh and by the way, where is this fork of the SC2 blockchain you were bragging about a week ago? Did it magicaly disappear when the description of how the super nodes work was released? At least a few people on these forums are starting to call BS when they smell it coming out of BitcoinExpress. I wonder how many more lies and criminal behavior you need to spew before the entire community turns against you? But until that day, I would like to thank those individuals who already have called you out.

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Quote from: ThiagoCMC on October 19, 2011, 01:03:26 AM

Quote from: TheLaundryMan on October 19, 2011, 12:40:26 AM

Quote from: ThiagoCMC on October 18, 2011, 11:37:32 PM

Quote from: BitcoinEXpress on October 18, 2011, 10:27:34 PM

The Solidcoin trustednode "TheSecureP2p" was taken off line at block 33234 at 02:31 with only 126 LOIC BOTS using TCP/UDP flood. The IP was 212.140.187.177 located in London from Broadband.Tesco.net. The attack left 1 Trusted Node remaining.

Incidentally this geo is exactly where the user Ten98 hails from. Grin

http://blockexplorer.ahimoth.com/Home/BlockDetails?blockNum=33234

@Coinhunter, this is becoming a most useful tool.

**Cue Coinhunter and/or minions to deny it, the blockexplorer proves it.

UPDATE: As of 03:39 It appears all LOIC BOTS have stopped flooding, let's see if it comes back online.

DISCLAIMER: All of this is just casual observation with freely available network sniffing tools.

AWESOME!!! Grin

Your condoning of the use of bots to attack a network is embarrasing to the entire btc community.

Especially coming from a moderator who knows that BTCX claims to have use LOIC which made me LoL IRL extremely hard.

As for BTCX you are quite obviously a joke. Keep blasting those cannons while they get mitigated with absolute ease artard.

Sincerely,

Someone who isn't a complete noob.

No, I'm not.

CoinHunter is a biggest lame ever! He does not see the results of his own actions.

These attacks SHOULD be done! This is the only way to show people how crap is SC2. So, don't touch it!

I see these attacks as some kind of "stress test".

ANY system that can be put on test, should be tested.

Coinhunter says that SC2 is "hacker proof". If BTCX can prove that he is lying, let he do it.

How about we wait till his coordinated attacks is pulled off with his LOIC lololololol. Once it's down. Claim your victory. Until then stfu and keep you warmongering to yourself. Claiming ddos even in the embarrasing form of LOIC as something that should be done isn't good.

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