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Amen.

"Gravely mistaken" Do you really think that altcoins of any flavor are important enough to label them "grave"? They are an alternate that is in its infancy. Unluckily for this particular baby, it was born into a village that likes to fuck around with it, with each other, with the rules, with the code, and with the ways to twist a profit out of anything we touch. Your guy created an alt that he, or his vainglorious non-profit Rangeroos can control utterly and completely. I will give credit that his marketing stays on topic- his is maniacal in staying on-message. Unfortunately that message is that his sliced bread is somehow magically better in every conceivable way, and in fact represents a complete re-invention of the concept of bread, and anyone who enjoys bread should immediately flock to his, because it will destroy all other slices in the universe by the very fact of its existence.

It is exactly the message and the delivery of that message that turns people off. Some find the misrepresentations about releasing the code to be the issue that drives their criticism, others look to the gross mis-statements about non-centralized control nodes which are in fact exactly the opposite, to be a turn-off. SC has a horrible poster child, and he scares anybody legitimate off. SC will never enjoy any significant market adoption because the self proclaimed messianic goofball who runs it is such a complete and utter failure at interpersonal communication. He is a liar, me is an arrogant braggart, and he is an unrepentant simpleton who thinks that screaming at the world will convince the world that he is right, either in person or through proxies.

You choose to be one such proxy- Yay, you! You are a savvy investor who watches and plays the markets closely. Yay, you! You want to preach the gospel of how wrong the rest of the world is because we don't fall into lockstep with you on following the screaming fuck-wit rowing the wrong way on your slave galley of fools. Yay, you, you have found purpose in the world! Dial back the vitriol, muzzle your mouthy little bitch-in-charge and the world might be able to consider SC on it's own merits without a headache from the incessant noise. Many who have taken a look at it have determined that it doesn't fit their needs, and many of those have decided to share their reasoned criticism with the world. Your shilling and pimping is not going to change facts, regardless of how many times you scream "troll" Chicken Lemon. The only sky that is falling is your own credibility for representing a really crappy batch of snake oil.

The King changes the rules of the game, the peasants must obey and conform

You don't argue with his lordship, King RealSolidScam.

 Do you have any sense of irony ? At least a basic self-awareness ?

RS has the private keys of all 10 control accounts.  The control accounts decide what gets accepted.  If RS wants to change something, he changes the code on the control nodes - and if you don't follow suite you have no recourse.  Without more 'control accounts' from legitimate 'sc millionaires' to override the 12m+ premine RS gave to himself, there is *nothing* to prevent RS from doing what he wants.

You're better at math than I am Viper, how long will it take for 13m solidcoins to be mined?  And that's only meeting the theoretical threshold.

That's not talking about the tax and where it goes.  That's talking about the core mechanics themselves are enforced by one person, who has already seen fit to change mechanics at will.

You sir are gravely mistaken,

That's complete centralization.

Edit:  Also Viper, you should be less concerned with whatever 'lies and rhetoric' are on bitcointalk forums.  If you don't like it, you're more than welcome to leave.  However note the ironic privilege you enjoy here, being able to 'correct' others - while your dear leader censors most correction.

You don't honestly believe that do you?

You think it is a coincidence that King RealScam owns 100% of the control nodes (they have nothing to do w/ trust).
You think it is a coincidence that the network can't operate without consent of the control nodes.
You think it is a coincidence that after giving himself 12M+ coins and then early adopter cronies another 2M in "broken" difficulty adjustment the reward was cut 87%.

The control nodes will never go away.  They exist for the purpose of allowing a single person complete and never ending control over the network.

At the current rate of generation the network will only produce roughly 1M coins a year.  The network follows the decision of 51% of control money so to take the network out of King RealSolid hands would require ~12M new control nodes.  Lets just say roughly a decade.  It is never going to happen.

its possible, should the SC network grow in size and power then the trusted nodes would become redundant.... they were only really needed because of the asses that would destroy a new alt chain while its starting out.

I can only wonder how a coding class would make anyone accept the concept of "trusted nodes" which should actually be called "co-conspirator nodes"? Even if the proverbial 10,000 monkeys put together the most streamlined, crisp, never breaks at all wonder-code for sc, nothing can change the fact that the concept is fatally flawed. Who wants something where one person can dictate changes and values at will? It doesn't work in this model. Perhaps there is a community of intellectual troglodytes somewhere on the planet who have need of a value transfer mechanism that can be manipulated by a single sociopath. And maybe they can use those tokens to buy rides on a short bus to the head shop, or a ticket to see pigs fly, but here in the real world? Shortbus coins are as useless as tits on a boar. And about as desirable.

All the code for the trusted nodes is there. If you don't find it, you should take a coding class.

127 btc worth of market cap on the largest exchange compared to 350 for ltc. It may be currently valued higher, but that's artificial price support by those who benefit from free pre-mining and unlimited free coins.
Check the source, it installs pre-hacked. Central control can do anything they want with your coins, your account and you ability to do anything about it. And has.
Price is a minimal sample size and irrelevant to other altcoins. Each stands on its own merits or failings. Nmc actually have a purpose, ltc has a theoretical purpose, sc, gg, tbx, and fbx are get-rich-quick schemes by their various founders. At least the brix and gg are honest about it, and are trying to retroactively find a raison d'etre.
Rapid bug fixes that create new bugs to cover up for falsehoods, fraud and extremely poor coding do not count as development, regardless of how much the developer claims his time is worth per hour. There are literally hundreds of useful bitcoin and altcoin features in the works. Open source, which sc does not enjoy, actually encourages development. Closed source, especially closed source based on pirated software inhibits development.
A single Head Shop, regardless of how critical that is to your personal economy, is not widespread merchant adoption. Think about the model of sc, and honesty answer yourself... if I was running a widget market, and my customers wanted to pay in a p2p crypto currency, would I prefer the world standard and those based on that format, or some buggy uncertain scam that is controlled by one emotionally unstable person who is beyond my jurisdiction in terms of enforcement of anything I hope to get from his coin? It hasn't happened, it isn't happening, and it isn't going to happen. That's just plain, cold, hard facts.
Let's take this one in parts- it's not "a little different" it is the antithesis of what altcoins are all about. It is the complete and intentional opposite championed by shouting fans who want to attract more victims so they can break even and get out of the pyramid before the world sees that the emperor is buck ass naked. Oops, too late. And he's is certifiable at the same time. Then, "doesn't conform totally to the decentralised (sic) dream". The very foundational concept of p2p crypto coins is to provide a anonymous decentralized model for value transfer. What sc does is give you nothing but centralized control, governed by a sociopath with enormous mood swings and delusions of grandeur. Saying it "doesn't conform totally..." is like saying Stalin had a couple of bad days at the office. He slaughtered his own population by the millions. Its that kind of power imbalance.

Is it alive? Yes. If that is your definintion "ain't failing" I concede the point meets your less than stringent standards of evidence. Will it ever be accepted outside of a very tiny, incestuous micro-society of mutual parasites feeding off each other, and one or two purveyors of alternate lifestyle accessories? No. Why would any legitimate business person even consider it? Because some jacked up Visual Basic cut and paste code thief says it is the most secure thing, and well on the way to parity with btc, ready to take over prominence any moment now? Please, get a grip on reality.

Have fun in your little clubhouse, you guys can knock yourselves out minting those wacky little shortbus coins and pretending that the world will someday care what Doctor Ding Dong feeds you as gospel. That's a big ain't.

I keep hearing about this fail but I'm not seeing it....
SC hasn't been hacked
Price is pretty stable (and higher than all other alt currencies except NMC.)
Development is still happening rapidly. (Improved qt based client in the works.)
Even some merchants have started to come on board. (Head shop today!)
I know it's a little different to the other coins and doesn't conform totally to the decentralised dream, but failing it 'aint.

The mods have cleaned up.  I think the only reason alt currencies have their own forum is because Off-Topic was becoming flooded (i might be wrong).

Eventually the shock factor of SC's spectacular fail will die down and their trolls won't have a leg to stand on anymore.  Just ignore them, move along, and be sure to only post if it contributes to the discussion.

 Hear that mods ? Do your fucking job or promote other people so they are able to clean these forums of the shit that's clogging it.

 Getting tired of it all and it's really starting to make this place look bad.

I know, otherwise you would never have made such a ludicrous statement.
If we are wrong about the trusted nodes, you could prove it by posted filenames and linenumbers of the relevant code.
Too bad you can't read the source to know what to post. 

Corrected it for you

The King controls the land and castles ( trusted nodes ). The peasants ( miners ) only bow down to his majesty. All hail King RealScam !!!

We are probably never going to see the trusted node source code.

We know that the trusted nodes are synchonized somehow, so that only one is signing blocks at any given time. I'm not sure if this would require any changes to the client itself - possibly not - but the software to do this synchronization definitely isn't public.

I certainly wouldn't. In fact, that seems like a seriously bad idea.

What logs ?