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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 03, 2024, 02:16:09 AM

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang Cheesy

Most of them are wrong, and for us who were able to analyze this head to head match up, we see the huge advantage of Zhang in terms of weight. Team Wilder probably have their own plan on why they keep that weight for Wilder, but the boxer is not really the same guy anymore, he keeps losing and now it might be the end of his career. That odds for Zhang being the slight favorite would already tell something is wrong with the odds, it's a trap and of course those who just made their decision based on the highlights they saw would be easily fool, as the real value is on Zhang.

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Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet Cheesy

In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

But as per betting odds, Wilder is the underdog, although I believed what the media was to portray of Wilder is that he is a live underdog, meaning he could be a good bet for gamblers and he might pull an upset. But he was really light in this fight, not sure what he did it or maybe that was part of his strategy.

But Zhang was able to take advantage of being the heavier guy, putting his weight on Wilder and then that power. And if I'm not mistaken, it was the right had that caught Wilder spinning and you can see that he is already out as his legs is not there anymore.

I know that Wilder was an underdog, I have paid attention that Zhang was almost 70 pound heavier, I have seen odds. But many stupidly compare how hyped Wilder knockout people and Zhang, who is not so popular on YouTube for example. I am just amazed how easy it is to trick people, or how badly or wrong they read information about fighters. Some of my friends bet on Wilder, because they saw his knockout highlights and thought that he would KO Zhang Cheesy

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Quote from: darkangel11 on June 02, 2024, 03:07:14 PM

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

Being in that PBC silo for so long played against him. Wilder thought he could always win by easy knockout against opponents that were selected for him to look good against. He never really bothered trying to improve his technique and when he finally faced somebody that could stand up to him, and punish him in return, it broke him psychologically. At the end of his career he was never able to recover the confidence and ego that made him “The Bronze Bomber”. It’s a depressing way to end things, but now he must move on to the next chapter in his life and enjoy his wealth and spend time with his family.

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We will never see a Wilder - Joshua match anymore because of this loss, Joshua is moving on while Wilder is going on retirement, it was not a good farewell fight for Wilder but he did have a great boxing career.

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

I can call Wilder good but not great. He is a fighter that was taken carefully by his management. And they were very successful in doing it. Wilder earned millions of dollars and held the WBC for many years fighting nobodies while marketing that he hits so hard.

I remember when he became the WBC champion, people are talking if he is willing to fight the lineal, WBA, IBF and WBO champion Wladimir Klitschko for the undisputed championship. Wilder's manager openly said that he is not ready for Klitschko. Luckily, the Ukrainian legend was a humble one and so the media was spreading and marketing Wilder like he is the one.

Let's not forget Wilder needed 30+ wins before fighting for the belt. While AJ only fought 15 times and then went right away for the belt. AJ unified the belts while Wilder never unified even once in his long career.

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Quote from: coin-investor on June 01, 2024, 07:55:34 PM

We will never see a Wilder - Joshua match anymore because of this loss, Joshua is moving on while Wilder is going on retirement, it was not a good farewell fight for Wilder but he did have a great boxing career.

And that's good that we won't see this fight as this would've been an embarrassment for Wilder. He used to be good, up until Fury broke his spirit and then he became a guy that can't even get to fight once every 12 months. If you need more than a year to get a fight you're going to go out of shape and time is unforgiving for people in sports.
He's ending a good career with a losing streak and I won't miss him. Wilder always seemed cocky and egoistic and most people didn't like him. His style was also poor, depending on heavy hits in hope for a knockout and he showed this again in this last fight. You could see the skill difference between him and Zhang.

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Quote from: aioc on June 02, 2024, 08:58:54 AM

The loss is so ugly, not something Wilder wants to remember for the rest of his life but he can overcome this as he has one of the most illustrious careers, it's time for him to retire even if he wants to, two successive ugly loses is enough to call it over.
Wilder did not give an interview because he is still not getting over the loss but I'm sure he and his family will decide what his next step in boxing is, Joshua did come back from two successive losses but it's not from knockout and total domination that Wilder suffered so he cannot do an Anthony Joshua scenario.

It's his last fight so he will be remembered this way. Not the same person anymore after several losses in his career. The timing of Zhang's right is just perfect, when Wilder turned his back, a Kungfu master just flew right to his face before he could even do the 180.

Zhang is fast for a big guy. I think he could really go fight anyone in the HW, he 40+ though. 2 more years, he will already be washed and someone will beat the hell of him.

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Quote from: Marykeller on June 02, 2024, 09:57:43 AM

Wilder had it wrong, to be depending on his punch knockout without changing the pattern of how to defend himself rather than falling vulnerable to his fellow fighter who can master his fighting tactics not to allow him to give power punch. Nevertheless, much respect for Wilder for having won 43 times, 5 losses, and 1 draw in his boxing career

He's been doing this all his fights he just relies upon his powerbomb which is why he is called the Bronze Bomber checked on the link I provided and you will see that all the fights shown on that video are left jabs followed by a right, he throws a lot of wild shots. he has no head movement and no lateral movement in the ring.

He had success doing this early on in his career so he did not or failed to develop skills to back up his power and when faced with boxers who can duck, and who can counter that's when he realized that he needed additional skill but that was a way too late to develop, so those boxers who beat him, Fury, Parker and now Zhang have the same style they can jab have head movements and can counter, he has no counter to these boxers so he suffered devastating losses.

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Quote from: freedomgo on June 01, 2024, 11:40:36 PM

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Wilder was already mentally checked out before the fight began and was ready for retirement. He was only trying to survive in the fight, while Zhang was walking him down and looking to land just one clean punch that could hurt Wilder. The slow pace of the fight benefited Zhang, who tends to fade the longer the fight goes due to his lack of stamina. Zhang doesn’t have much skill but he might be the hardest hitting active fighter. That is enough for him to beat highly rated fighters and I would not count him out against any of the top heavyweights.

This is already the end of Wilder's career. I just watch the highlights of the fight but I'm surprised with the big weight difference.

As to this video BRUTAL KO | Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder Highlights (Queensberry vs. Matchroom - Riyadh Season) from DAZN boxing.

Wilder's weight was 214.6 while Zhang's weight was 282.8, that's 68.2 lbs difference in favor of Zhang. And as we all know that Wilder relied heavily on his power, how can it be possible for him to KO a boxer that is way heavier than him.

Zhang is heavier than Wilder on weights and still older than him. Wilder at 38 years old, retiring from boxing because of last night's defeat to Zhang, while Zhang is 41 years old, and he's firing on, not to quit very soon in his boxing career.

Wilder had it wrong, to be depending on his punch knockout without changing the pattern of how to defend himself rather than falling vulnerable to his fellow fighter who can master his fighting tactics not to allow him to give power punch. Nevertheless, much respect for Wilder for having won 43 times, 5 losses, and 1 draw in his boxing career

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The loss is so ugly, not something Wilder wants to remember for the rest of his life but he can overcome this as he has one of the most illustrious careers, it's time for him to retire even if he wants to, two successive ugly loses is enough to call it over.
Wilder did not give an interview because he is still not getting over the loss but I'm sure he and his family will decide what his next step in boxing is, Joshua did come back from two successive losses but it's not from knockout and total domination that Wilder suffered so he cannot do an Anthony Joshua scenario.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 02, 2024, 04:29:03 AM

Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet Cheesy

In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

But as per betting odds, Wilder is the underdog, although I believed what the media was to portray of Wilder is that he is a live underdog, meaning he could be a good bet for gamblers and he might pull an upset. But he was really light in this fight, not sure what he did it or maybe that was part of his strategy.

But Zhang was able to take advantage of being the heavier guy, putting his weight on Wilder and then that power. And if I'm not mistaken, it was the right had that caught Wilder spinning and you can see that he is already out as his legs is not there anymore.

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Quote from: coin-investor on June 02, 2024, 06:49:34 AM

Quote from: freedomgo on June 01, 2024, 11:40:36 PM

This is already the end of Wilder's career. I just watch the highlights of the fight but I'm surprised with the big weight difference.

As to this video BRUTAL KO | Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder Highlights (Queensberry vs. Matchroom - Riyadh Season) from DAZN boxing.

Wilder's weight was 214.6 while Zhang's weight was 282.8, that's 68.2 lbs difference in favor of Zhang. And as we all know that Wilder relied heavily on his power, how can it be possible for him to KO a boxer that is way heavier than him.

Have you all seen the big leg difference Wilder's leg is like a pole the weight difference is just too much Zhang imposes his weight on Deontay, this is one of Wilder's lightest weights he averages 220 and his heaviest is at 230, his team may be thinking that Deontay needs to be light so he can move fast and avoid Zhang right straight Deontay did hit Zhang with that right hand but he easily recovered and that made Zhang confidence to grew.

His team is wrong to think he can move faster because Wilder is not really fast. During his fight with Fury, he was still slow, and in fact, Fury had better head movement than him, which is why he couldn't hit Fury with his solid knockout punch. When a boxer can absorb his power punches, Wilder will likely lose. That's what happened here. The old Wilder, who was undefeated and had a 100% KO rate, is gone. Maybe he is already facing mental problems, as he still can't move on from his past losses against Fury. That was really the beginning of the downhill of his career.

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Deontay did not give an interview and left the arena in a somber mood maybe contemplating retirement so we will see that in the coming days but I don't see him continuing anymore the power and the motivation is just not there anymore, he already made a lot of money, he can now enjoy retirement.

Somber Deontay Wilder after KO loss to Zhang leaves arena with team in hand

That is not new to him, actually, because he is too arrogant and thinks he can easily beat his opponent. When his expectations aren't met, he acts like a sore loser.

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Quote from: freedomgo on June 01, 2024, 11:40:36 PM

This is already the end of Wilder's career. I just watch the highlights of the fight but I'm surprised with the big weight difference.

As to this video BRUTAL KO | Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder Highlights (Queensberry vs. Matchroom - Riyadh Season) from DAZN boxing.

Wilder's weight was 214.6 while Zhang's weight was 282.8, that's 68.2 lbs difference in favor of Zhang. And as we all know that Wilder relied heavily on his power, how can it be possible for him to KO a boxer that is way heavier than him.

Have you all seen the big leg difference Wilder's leg is like a pole the weight difference is just too much Zhang imposes his weight on Deontay, this is one of Wilder's lightest weights he averages 220 and his heaviest is at 230, his team may be thinking that Deontay needs to be light so he can move fast and avoid Zhang right straight Deontay did hit Zhang with that right hand but he easily recovered and that made Zhang confidence to grew.

Deontay did not give an interview and left the arena in a somber mood maybe contemplating retirement so we will see that in the coming days but I don't see him continuing anymore the power and the motivation is just not there anymore, he already made a lot of money, he can now enjoy retirement.

Somber Deontay Wilder after KO loss to Zhang leaves arena with team in hand

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 02, 2024, 04:29:03 AM

Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet Cheesy

In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

But our sportsbook know which one is the real favorite.

As what our book tells, here are the betting odds.

Zhilei Zhang -150
Deontay Wilder +125

Wilder maybe the popular boxer but his career is slowly going down the drain, and this sure be his last fight since again, he was knock out and could not absorb the power of Zhang.

I'm sure with that betting odds, there are bettors who took Wilder to win. They didn't learn from his last fight loss. Though Zhang also lost to the same boxer who beat Wilder, Zhang was obviously the stronger fighter, being much heavier than Wilder. And yes, it's time for Wilder to retire since he isn't winning fights anymore. It's safer for him, and I'm sure he has already earned a lot of money in his boxing career.

So now, what's next for Zhang? Wasn't there a rumor that he might retire after this fight?

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We will never see a Wilder - Joshua match anymore because of this loss, Joshua is moving on while Wilder is going on retirement, it was not a good farewell fight for Wilder but he did have a great boxing career.

Damn, i never thought that Zhang will knockout Wilder.

Agree, this is the last of Wilder and hanging up his gloves is the thing for him as no more money fights and he is getting older too.

As for Zhang, we might see him fight Joshua in the near future.

Lost my bet as i believed that Wilder will win but unfortunately he doesn't the tools anymore to defeat somebody in the heavyweight division.

Congrats to all who back Zhang.

Wilder was a great fighter, but apparently his best years are behind him and it's better to leave now so that later in his old age he doesn't suffer from the injuries he can get now.

I really thought it was strange that Wilder agreed to this fight, considering that Wilder's weight is 97.3 kg and Zhang's is 128.3 kg and this 31 kg difference is fantastic. It's a difference in several categories and it's not clear why Wilder has not gained muscle mass, at least to weigh 110-115 kg because the difference of 30 kg at it is just huge and it's clear that the punch of Zhang with his weight is crushing.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 02, 2024, 04:29:03 AM

Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet Cheesy

In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

But our sportsbook know which one is the real favorite.

As what our book tells, here are the betting odds.

Zhilei Zhang -150
Deontay Wilder +125

Wilder maybe the popular boxer but his career is slowly going down the drain, and this sure be his last fight since again, he was knock out and could not absorb the power of Zhang.

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Again, social media made Wilder a huge favorite in this fight (due to all his knockout highlights), while here we got Zhang as a winner by KO from votes. And exactly that is what has happened last night. Zhang finished Wilder in first half of the fight, and beating started from second round, when Zhang caught Wilder in the corner. Long story short - never trust what people say in the internet Cheesy

In all my related videos from youtube and articles in media mentioned 100 reasons how knockout artist is going to beat old Chinese boxer.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on June 01, 2024, 09:04:11 PM

Wilder was already mentally checked out before the fight began and was ready for retirement. He was only trying to survive in the fight, while Zhang was walking him down and looking to land just one clean punch that could hurt Wilder. The slow pace of the fight benefited Zhang, who tends to fade the longer the fight goes due to his lack of stamina. Zhang doesn’t have much skill but he might be the hardest hitting active fighter. That is enough for him to beat highly rated fighters and I would not count him out against any of the top heavyweights.

This is already the end of Wilder's career. I just watch the highlights of the fight but I'm surprised with the big weight difference.

As to this video BRUTAL KO | Zhilei Zhang vs. Deontay Wilder Highlights (Queensberry vs. Matchroom - Riyadh Season) from DAZN boxing.

Wilder's weight was 214.6 while Zhang's weight was 282.8, that's 68.2 lbs difference in favor of Zhang. And as we all know that Wilder relied heavily on his power, how can it be possible for him to KO a boxer that is way heavier than him.

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Wilder was already mentally checked out before the fight began and was ready for retirement. He was only trying to survive in the fight, while Zhang was walking him down and looking to land just one clean punch that could hurt Wilder. The slow pace of the fight benefited Zhang, who tends to fade the longer the fight goes due to his lack of stamina. Zhang doesn’t have much skill but he might be the hardest hitting active fighter. That is enough for him to beat highly rated fighters and I would not count him out against any of the top heavyweights.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 01, 2024, 08:23:55 PM

Quote from: coin-investor on June 01, 2024, 07:55:34 PM

We will never see a Wilder - Joshua match anymore because of this loss, Joshua is moving on while Wilder is going on retirement, it was not a good farewell fight for Wilder but he did have a great boxing career.

Damn, i never thought that Zhang will knockout Wilder.

Agree, this is the last of Wilder and hanging up his gloves is the thing for him as no more money fights and he is getting older too.

As for Zhang, we might see him fight Joshua in the near future.

Lost my bet as i believed that Wilder will win but unfortunately he doesn't the tools anymore to defeat somebody in the heavyweight division.

Congrats to all who back Zhang.

I didn't think Zhang would win by KO at all. I was thinking Wilder would go out with a bang and fight hard and get a ko for himself and hang up thr gloves.

My prediction was wrong.

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Quote from: coin-investor on June 01, 2024, 07:55:34 PM

We will never see a Wilder - Joshua match anymore because of this loss, Joshua is moving on while Wilder is going on retirement, it was not a good farewell fight for Wilder but he did have a great boxing career.

Damn, i never thought that Zhang will knockout Wilder.

Agree, this is the last of Wilder and hanging up his gloves is the thing for him as no more money fights and he is getting older too.

As for Zhang, we might see him fight Joshua in the near future.

Lost my bet as i believed that Wilder will win but unfortunately he doesn't the tools anymore to defeat somebody in the heavyweight division.

Congrats to all who back Zhang.

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