Topic: Department of Homeland Security - page 2. (Read 7115 times)

Yep, they can. And history has such a great record of these "mobs" and "posses" settling situations in a fair and unobjective way...

Those who don't know history are destined to repeat it. ~ Edmund Burke

While I'm not going to suggest that anarchy is better or try to defend it, your description of it is not objective because it leaves out vigilantism and mob rule and assumes the worst outcome.  For instance, local people can put together a posse to pursue and disable a murderer.  Anarchy does not rule out people working together or cooperating to accomplish goals.  It just bars a central authority as having dominion over the masses, if I understand it correctly. 

In theory, if everyone had that same gun that you imagine you having to command control over a husband and wife, you might be a bit more concerned about the outcome of putting a bullet in anyone.  But, in a society where only a fraction of the people are armed because a central authority stripped the populace of defence, you might be more free to commit your hostilities. 

This is not to say that anarchy will have a better outcome.  It is just presumptuous to conclude the worst possible outcome.  It is also presumptuous to say that people are safe because there is government.  Why does the murder rate increase as population density increases even though police can arrive more quickly? 
 

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In the short term (the next 15 minutes), there is very little difference between living in a rural area and anarchy because the only one who can defend your home is you and your family. 

...and this is why politics is as bad and as log-jammed as it is today.  Why nothing ever gets done except for all of us getting sucked down further and further into the cesspool of authoritarian, corporatist bullshit.  Why atmospheric CO2 just hit 400ppm and the RIAA is allowed to destroy the concept of ownership.  Why Monsanto is declared the owner of the world's food supply and no country deserves any help if even one citizen of it has ever looked at a condom.

This bread and circus crap is why most of the world has been convinced that serfdom is a desirable thing and voting against your own self-interest - against health care, against education, and yes; against a sound financial structure - is the only path to personal success.

People who spend all of their time looking to the past have no future.

Stupid fucks.  Let it go.

just what is it you are smoking.
the best thing that can happen is for farmers to talk politics and economics. are you some kind of european elitist?
of course farmers now only make up about 2% of the population so it is irrelevant
every amerikan who died in vietnam died in vain. unless of course you owned stock in dow, dupont, lockheed, raytheon, hughes.....then you appreciated the sacrifices someone else's son made for you.
find a thread to join where you might have a clue about what people are talking about

its a shame that you don't know crap about vietnam and yet not being an amerikan you think you are an expert.
de facto evidence is that communist vietnam was/is / and never will be a threat. they are now in our good graces/
communism did not spread to the rest of se asia.  imagine that. though it did to a couple of countries and only one remains that could be called communist.
our allies were not there. one former ally was there ....france.
this was a holdover from the colonial period. so amerika in its desire to let the people of a country
self determine their own political destiny backed its ally to do exactly the opposite, thereby abandoning any moral
high ground it may have commanded. exhibit a is the gulf of tonkin resolution
for the record the blind eye we turned amounts to over 20 billion a year we pay to vietnam NOW.
so now maybe someone can tell me why we were there and why we should trust our imperial fascist regime and the bogus money they create out of thin air and force on us and the rest of the world at gun point.
if the dhs decides to carry out orders requiring it to do away with bitcoin it will do so with extreme prejudice

difficulty level would just increase accordingly. there are already more than 51% of bitcoins in circulation. so if some illuminati star chamber was even able to create the worlds greatest quantum computer over night they would only get the remaining unmined coins, and not be done until 2140, by which time the foundation could fix the whole problem, no doubt.

stop worrying and go hunt some wasskaly wabbits!

I have nothing against farmers... They're great and often overlooked. The problem is when farmers start to talk politics and economies, same bs was started in Soviet and Hello Communism.

Every American died in Vietname didnt die in vain. Its easy to judge others decision and not to realize the benefits you got from it.

The ones that suffered the most are the poor Vietnamese ppl. They're nothing but a chess piece. Thanks to the French colony.

You know how to tell when someone has an unfounded biased personal belief? When they have to resort to name calling to make a point. I'm really not sure what you have against farm workers though?

I think we should resist over regulation of bitcoin. It may even be considered our responsibility. Bitcoin has won the war and is here to stay. Governments that try regulating it to death will only hurt themselves. Places that allow their citizens to use bitcoin will be able to compete internationally in new ways.  

Look at cell phones in Europe vs. America. My Euro friends are always shocked at how crappy and locked down our phone system is. Because of our unholy, lobbyist written rules about cell phones we get less choice at a much higher price. Thanks congress.  

So you know how great the threat was? nah you dont, you're rambling bs. Lets say US just sit there minding their own land, then what would happen when Cuba was supplied nuclear warhead and missile? You sound like a redneck than anything.

The whole point was America noticed military power from Soviet Russia. (they're the one defeating the Germany). The last thing they risk was to have a war on their own land. As for economical growth, having allies and political influences all around the world helps tremendously. The economy was booming like no tmr in the 70s and 80s.

Ofcourse, redneck cant see further than his chicken farm.

I don't believe the attack is on mtgox, .mt gox follows all the rules they are ment to. the attacks will be on company's who are not following aml laws. this is not a problem for bitcoin or mtgox.
To many people have a dig at mtgox but the truth of the matter is bitcoin would still be tiny without it. mtgox was not always this big company, it began very small. All these people who complain about mtgox why don't you make a service better? you can't? then why are you dissing one of the only company's who are really trying?
Don't just spread FUD and hate if you are adding nothing.

So whenever America fears something it should grab some guns and start killing people? You would have been a great senatorial page for Joseph McCarthy.

Ok you want to play Vietnam War debate.... Lets assume you're all Vietnam Vets,... i still sense you dont understand craps about this war so i'm gonna break down a few points for you

+ Vietnam WAS a threat. The American allies were in SouthEastAsia. The war in Vietnam was to CONTAIN the communist from spreading (mainly from Soviet Russia). Vietnam was the KEY in this political warfare
+ America was under stress of all kind of craps (human rights ...etc) while fighting against guerrilla tactics for the first time. They're judged to be brutal but what the fuck you know when a 13 kid suicide bomb you, villages are their fcking bases
+ There were conflicts in communist parties between China and Russia. Frankly Vietnam was mainly supported by Russia. America saw a opportunity to end this world and got in bed with China. Vietnam was no longer a threat as China was already stopping Soviet from spreading South
+ America retreated , turned blind eyes and let the Republic in Vietnam fall. China attacked Vietnam and spread their own political parties to Cambodia and Myanmar.

Its a shame that very few American get to learn about this war. Heck i'm not even American.

+1 You can't rationalize imperialistic murder by saying, hey I was drafted I'm a hero. It doesn't work that way. The human animal is capable of logic and reason. If my country asks me to hurt someone for no good reason I will say no. It's better to die in prison standing up for what you believe.

The financial systems worldwide are drafting citizens into a system of corruption and deceit. The USA is willing to pressure other countries with their military might to keep control of their citizens and closing any gap that allows them to avoid tariffs and taxes. They are currently using a campaign of lies to rally support for this war just as they have in the past. The security of the "homeland" mein führer if not being effected by the use of Bitcoin. Tell that to another drone - this one isn't listening.

The US government can be far reaching when it want's to be. Take anti-piracy for example, many torrent websites based in countries thousands of miles outside USA's jurisdiction have been shutdown and dealt with through political arm-bending.

They can manipulate countries on a political level that could really effect a proper network of exchanges from flourishing. All they need is some good old fashioned propaganda, bit-coin the black market currency.....something which silk road and the likes will only ever encourage.

Once that name sticks, it will be hard to rub off, this would be my biggest fear.

touché

Still on topic as far as I can tell:

What?  You were expecting a thread to stay on the rails?   

Oh... wait... I see - it was your thread.  Heh.  Dream on... 

So I guess this turned into the Vietnam War thread. Funny how the internet works....