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Quote from: justusranvier on May 14, 2013, 11:23:15 PM

Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 14, 2013, 11:18:40 PM

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

I admit to being stumped.

I'm going with parody: "Divided we stand. United we fall." Ummm...

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Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 15, 2013, 12:21:45 AM

Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:36:12 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on May 14, 2013, 11:23:15 PM

Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 14, 2013, 11:18:40 PM

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

I admit to being stumped.

The politics we need isn't going to be within this system. None of those "changes" you refer to actually changed very much. As a previous post noted, "for every action there is a reaction". We don't have black people picking cotton anymore, but we have many new and pernicious forms of slavery (mortgages, Fiat currency, non-stop pre-emptive war, the healthcare mafia). Women can vote now, but can we honestly say that either women or men can cast ballots for anyone truly worth voting for in our ridiculous two party "democracy"? I don't think the rest of your examples really need fleshing out.

While slaves being freed, women being able to vote, the end of jim crow laws/open racisim, and other such events may not have made an impact on your life at the time, they were huge events. These changes in law did a lot of good for a lot of people. Are you seriously questioning this fact?

The only reason why politics are so "impossible" today and "no one is worth voting for" is because people like you give up. You just wave the white flag. Are you french?

If you want to complain about the US gov go right ahead. But if you want to do something its called politics. You have to change the system from within. Its not easy. You have to work with people who you don't like or agree with, and compromise. It won't change everything, and you won't get your whole wishlist. Nobody does. But whats your alternative? Show up at the white house with a gun and start blastin. Sit at home and complain on a forum. Good luck changing the world by yourself...

My ultimate point is that while we can point to the government making changes and say that these are substantive, with every action there is an UNequal and opposite reaction. If you think that the ruling class (the ones who the government works for) will simply sacrifice their power because of public opinion, then you need to read some more serious history books. Because we can't force black people to be our slaves anymore, we have to use Chinese and Indian children, who will attach plastic parts together until their lungs shrivel up from chemical fumes. If you go down the list of examples, for every 1 change in public policy there are an accompanying 100 different externalities which aren't mentioned, and which skew the structures of power in favor of those who have always had them and will continue to keep them as long as people subscribe to being governed. That's the whole point of making the changes in the first place. You need to placate the masses and make them think this is their government which they have influence over, otherwise participation in this system will suffer.

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:36:12 PM

Quote from: justusranvier on May 14, 2013, 11:23:15 PM

Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 14, 2013, 11:18:40 PM

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

I admit to being stumped.

The politics we need isn't going to be within this system. None of those "changes" you refer to actually changed very much. As a previous post noted, "for every action there is a reaction". We don't have black people picking cotton anymore, but we have many new and pernicious forms of slavery (mortgages, Fiat currency, non-stop pre-emptive war, the healthcare mafia). Women can vote now, but can we honestly say that either women or men can cast ballots for anyone truly worth voting for in our ridiculous two party "democracy"? I don't think the rest of your examples really need fleshing out.

While slaves being freed, women being able to vote, the end of jim crow laws/open racisim, and other such events may not have made an impact on your life at the time, they were huge events. These changes in law did a lot of good for a lot of people. Are you seriously questioning this fact?

The only reason why politics are so "impossible" today and "no one is worth voting for" is because people like you give up. You just wave the white flag. Are you french?

If you want to complain about the US gov go right ahead. But if you want to do something its called politics. You have to change the system from within. Its not easy. You have to work with people who you don't like or agree with, and compromise. It won't change everything, and you won't get your whole wishlist. Nobody does. But whats your alternative? Show up at the white house with a gun and start blastin. Sit at home and complain on a forum. Good luck changing the world by yourself...

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: N12 on May 14, 2013, 10:58:39 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

The Cold Bitcoin War. More hashrate!

Couldn't the US government hypothetically run existing supercomputers to mine all the remaining Bitcoins and just destroy it that way? For the amount of money it takes to file all the legal paperwork and run the DHS for a week, they could contract an ASIC to be built which could mine the remaining Bitcoins in a very short period of time. Or am I wrong about this?

They at this point couldn't even come close, especially with asics being produced in china as we speak

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Quote from: Kluge on May 14, 2013, 11:47:27 PM

I don't see the problem.

Hopefully, this will be the final push to get DPR to start a hidden BTC:mLClorox exchange. Can't kill BTC before Tor, and a crackdown will bring a whole lot of new blood over to Tor. I think Tor/I2P-related charities have received, what - 30kBTC or something?

Wow, mtgox running over tor...as if it wasn't slow enough in the clearwebs.

The problem isn't the website, its that mtgox must have bank accounts.

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I am being sincere. The US gov is not evil, just often misguided. We could/should all be doing more to make life fair for everyone on Earth. Kim Stanley Robinson has a good talk on youtube where he explains it better.

Kim Stanley Robinson: Valuing the Earth and Future Generations: Imagining Post-Capatilism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csvroehk7Ww

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I don't see the problem.

Hopefully, this will be the final push to get DPR to start a hidden BTC:mLClorox exchange. DPR gets a pipe going from the factory to his storage silos and we place orders at the factory. They then deposit our orders into the Clorox silos. DPR can get really fancy and have metal disc separators in the silos so we know exactly whose Clorox is whose.

On a slightly more serious note... Can't kill BTC before Tor, and a crackdown will bring a whole lot of new blood over to Tor. I think Tor/I2P-related charities have received, what - 30kBTC or something?

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Quote from: cheesylard on May 14, 2013, 11:39:18 PM

Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 09:29:27 PM

While the recent action by the DHS concerning Dwolla's Mt. Gox transactions will not be a serious blow to Bitcoin, a precedent is being carried forth which could lead to much more extreme measures. The fact that the DHS is concerned about Bitcoin should suggest how powerful our beloved crypto-currency is, and how real a threat it must pose to the ruling class.
This is not a time for merely accepting government action as it is handed out. We can not let these shameless impingements on our basic rights be applied without resistance. Why do they expect us to sit behind our computer screens and merely act in reactionary clicks and types as our freedoms are legislated away from us? Because that's been the precedent that we have set.
What are we going to do if and when it comes down to an internationally orchestrated assault on Bitcoin? What options do the people have against the power elite? I'm curious to hear what the community thinks.

The rest of the world is gonna adopt it and then the U.S. Dollar will collapse and then we will have Anarchy.

Can you orgasm now? Clean yourself up on the way out.

The rest of the world is also a part of the international central banking system. It's not just the US.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 09:29:27 PM

While the recent action by the DHS concerning Dwolla's Mt. Gox transactions will not be a serious blow to Bitcoin, a precedent is being carried forth which could lead to much more extreme measures. The fact that the DHS is concerned about Bitcoin should suggest how powerful our beloved crypto-currency is, and how real a threat it must pose to the ruling class.
This is not a time for merely accepting government action as it is handed out. We can not let these shameless impingements on our basic rights be applied without resistance. Why do they expect us to sit behind our computer screens and merely act in reactionary clicks and types as our freedoms are legislated away from us? Because that's been the precedent that we have set.
What are we going to do if and when it comes down to an internationally orchestrated assault on Bitcoin? What options do the people have against the power elite? I'm curious to hear what the community thinks.

The rest of the world is gonna adopt it and then the U.S. Dollar will collapse and then we will have Anarchy.

Can you orgasm now? Clean yourself up on the way out.

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Quote from: justusranvier on May 14, 2013, 11:23:15 PM

Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 14, 2013, 11:18:40 PM

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

I admit to being stumped.

The politics we need isn't going to be within this system. None of those "changes" you refer to actually changed very much. As a previous post noted, "for every action there is a reaction". We don't have black people picking cotton anymore, but we have many new and pernicious forms of slavery (mortgages, Fiat currency, non-stop pre-emptive war, the healthcare mafia). Women can vote now, but can we honestly say that either women or men can cast ballots for anyone truly worth voting for in our ridiculous two party "democracy"? I don't think the rest of your examples really need fleshing out.

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Quote from: Exoskeleton on May 14, 2013, 11:18:40 PM

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

I admit to being stumped.

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 09:38:59 PM

Quote from: data_teks on May 14, 2013, 09:32:02 PM

You can't fight the US gov, you just have to stay out of their way.

Not all fighting is obligated to be with a fist or a gun

So true brother. Its called politics people. Vote.

The US gov has been wrong about almost every major issue untill forced to change by the people. Slavery, womens right to vote, civil rights (racism and jim crow laws), civil rights (drug laws), civil rights (basic privacy). Every war since 1945...

We have to speak up sometime. We have to draw a line in the sand. I beleive in the US gov more than anybody I know. Its a great system and we should recognize that everyday. By the people, for the people. By the people, for the people. But it could be better. If the word privacy doesn't stand for something today, it will fall for anything tomorrow.

"Divided we stand. United we fall."

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 11:13:07 PM

Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: N12 on May 14, 2013, 10:58:39 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

The Cold Bitcoin War. More hashrate!

Couldn't the US government hypothetically run existing supercomputers to mine all the remaining Bitcoins and just destroy it that way? For the amount of money it takes to file all the legal paperwork and run the DHS for a week, they could contract an ASIC to be built which could mine the remaining Bitcoins in a very short period of time. Or am I wrong about this?

yep, you're wrong:

http://qz.com/84056/the-bitcoin-network-is-now-more-powerful-than-the-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

Obviously one or two people out there think Bitcoin is a good idea. Wink

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:10:48 PM

Couldn't the US government hypothetically run existing supercomputers to mine all the remaining Bitcoins and just destroy it that way?

No. All the non-Bitcoin supercomputers in the world combined are not powerful enough to do this, even if mining worked the way you think it does (it doesn't).

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: N12 on May 14, 2013, 10:58:39 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

The Cold Bitcoin War. More hashrate!

Couldn't the US government hypothetically run existing supercomputers to mine all the remaining Bitcoins and just destroy it that way? For the amount of money it takes to file all the legal paperwork and run the DHS for a week, they could contract an ASIC to be built which could mine the remaining Bitcoins in a very short period of time. Or am I wrong about this?

yep, you're wrong:

http://qz.com/84056/the-bitcoin-network-is-now-more-powerful-than-the-top-500-supercomputers-combined/

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Quote from: N12 on May 14, 2013, 10:58:39 PM

Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

The Cold Bitcoin War. More hashrate!

Couldn't the US government hypothetically run existing supercomputers to mine all the remaining Bitcoins and just destroy it that way? For the amount of money it takes to file all the legal paperwork and run the DHS for a week, they could contract an ASIC to be built which could mine the remaining Bitcoins in a very short period of time. Or am I wrong about this?

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Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

The Cold Bitcoin War. More hashrate!

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Quote from: cypherdoc on May 14, 2013, 10:54:29 PM

for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

Yes. I'm toying with that conclusion as well.

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for every action there is a reaction.

i wonder what role the Chinese will play in this. there have been hints that they might actually support the Bitcoin concept. is DHS sending a message?

if so, i'm sure a response will be forthcoming in some form or manner.

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Quote from: Chaoskampf on May 14, 2013, 10:07:44 PM

What would it take for them to go after BitInstant? (based out of New York City and UK)

Probably not very much....

Well from my understanding how their site works, I don't think MtGox has an account with funds at BitInstant. Dwolla was a quick target because it's kind of a honey pot. It's always about the money (I wouldn't be surprised if MtGox's US bank account that someone mentioned here wasn't already frozen (from sending funds outs) and we just haven't heard from MtGox about it.

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