Topic: Devcoin - page 77. (Read 412952 times)

What is a content farm? If it pays for writing I personally would have joined it, that is why I joined Devtome. I was told that I could earn coins if I brought writing to the site after I posted a story on Bitcointalk. So like I said, it's not hard to compete if you are offering money.

I know what the idea behind Devtome is, and I think popular topics will get just as much views as 'school essay grade' papers. If not more.

Content farms pay for content, so?


The IDEA behind Devtome is that advertisement revenue from Devtome will be used to buy devcoins on market, which will prop up the value of Devcoin.

This is why Devtome is supposed to get 90% of all bounties... It is supposed to be a successful commercial project, not just a community wiki.

So that is the value I'm talking about: content which brings in pageviews and, thus, revenue. (I believe that you need high-quality, unique, in-demand content to get them.)

Devtome might be valuable in other ways, but it would be hard to justify allocation of 90% of bounties if it is not a commercial success. There is a plenty of other things which can be funded.

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In the other hand, I agree with your opinion. Also, talking all devcoin related questions in this topic is really complicated.

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I agree that there should be a limit on writing (personally I think 80k is still a high limit, I'd say maybe 50k), or that the share value should be changed. The ~2000 word article I wrote on meditation took me maybe 2-3 hours to write (and I like to think that it's decent quality), while the Cryptocoin Ticker I app took me >10 hours. At this point it's much more profitable to do writing than open source development, which I think sort of goes against the idea of Devcoin. If anything, it should be equally worth someone's time to do open source development or open source writing.

Also, I agree that maybe there are better ways to generate funding/interest for the project. The hackathon idea sounds pretty cool to me.

One thing I think might help would be a site (on devcoin.org when that's up again?) where people can propose and vote on all the different bounties - eg. how many shares they are worth. At this point it's kind of hard to tell who decides this sort of stuff; it seems like right now it's Unthinkingbit and markm (who started the project AFAIK), but isn't the goal for this all to be democratically decided? I think that having to keep track of everything that's going on with the project, (bounties, client updates, etc.) in a single forum thread on bitcointalk will be a barrier to entry for some who might otherwise be interested in the project.

That said, I'd propose making a more clear bounty for an offical devcoin site (eg. devcoin.org), with clear info about the project, and maybe a section for proposing/voting on bounties.

Thoughts?

I agree that Devtome has to offer something different in order to attract visitors. I like a lot the idea of specialized sub-wikis.

The Milieu is also useful for things like developing and testing - actually deploying for real live testing with real live commerce - the Open Transactions system.

That is because on some planets, transmitting value and using tokens to represent value and so on are verbotten by that planet's "powers that be".

The Milieu should always be large enough that there will always be a planet somewhere, even if officially considered to be in a wilderness beyond the official limits of extent of the populated "by civilised species" galaxies of the Milieu, where people can operate banks and stock exchanges and token systems and value transfer systems and so on, so that such things can actually be developed, deployed, and empirically be observed and worked on in live deployment.

For example if it were not for the civilised financial services rules of the planet known as M5, we would not have the Digitalis Open Transactions server and the OTdemo Open Transactions server running so as to have been able to actually do decent testing of Open Transactions this last couple of years or so. Three cheers for the Martians!

-MarkM-

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Exactly.

And you don't see that just reading Devtome, you have to look deeper, and even discuss things to learn what is being developed.

Part of the overall goal in "promoting" the Galactic Milieu throughout the Devtome is that maybe, hopefully, games might eventually be able to generate revenue, and the Galactic Milieu is pretty much just a vast backdrop into which any free open source game can be plugged.

If the game doesn't fit as being a client by means of which to play some aspect of the Milieu directly, it can if nothing else be yet another of the games the characters living in the milieu can play. For example free open source poker code could enable characters to play poker with one-another. Free open source monopoly code could enable characters to sit around playing monopoly with one-another, etc.

So it basically serves as a catch-all into which any and maybe eventually all free open source games can be tossed and all of them inter-related economically by way of devcoins and/or other similar systems of wealth and value transfer, and maybe eventually even lead to at least some of them being able to ship goods back and forth between them not just transfer cryptocoins back and forth between them.

More and more can be all woven together economically by the ability of cryptocurrencies to operate independently of any particular specific game, and the more they are woven together economically maybe the more chances there might be that they will tend toward interweaving in more ways too, creating a huge tapestry of interwoven free open source games that could maybe even benefit from synergy and become more than the sum of the parts.

The more games maybe the more players, and the more players maybe the more value any/all currencies used in the multiverse of free open source games will tend to become worth, devcoin being among them of course...

-MarkM-

This is all based on opinions of "content value".

I read the Galactic Meleui stuff and thought it was worthless, until I spoke with Mark M, and learned that he is a game developer, not just someone writing about a video game he played once. He was writing about stuff he personally made.

And I think since we have only 20ish publishers right now, all we need to be is in development of something.

The content doesn't matter, as long as the ends are parallel with the goal of the overall project, which is to develop things into the real world, unless I am mistaken, that is what I got from reading the bounties.

It's not hard to compete with the internet when you are offering money.

The elephant in the room is that quality and importance varies greatly, and so does effort...

The problem is that it is NOT additive, it is highly non-linear: sub-par content has almost no value, mediocre content has little value (there is a LOT of mediocre content on the internet), while high-quality content might have a great value...

Devtome has no incentives for high-quality content, which means you get what...?

That's basically same problem they had in Soviet Union: free market is much better at optimizing for quality/innovation than 'communism'.

Actully I did one for NMC awhile ago,   I suppose I could bring that up to date aswell.

Only for the implementation-detail reason that the shares system supports 1/5 shares, and if we increased admin stipends we could end up with everything being in whole shares nothing in 1/5 shares, which would let all the code for handling 1/5 shares sit there not being used thus maybe even suffering "code rot".

Its like the divisibility of bitcoins; where you choose to put the decimal/fraction isn't really important what is important is what fraction of the 180,000,000 coins generated in a round it comes out to given how many other shares or fractions of shares exist in that round.

So, since we have 1/5 as a unit, I figured lets use it, and anything needing bigger chunks can use bigger chunks.

Maybe though not having any fractional shares is actually better than having them and all the code to handle them will no longer be needed once whole shares are puny amounts of actual money considering how many thousands of them there are in any given round...

(Using fifths will make that grand total number of shares "sound smaller" too, so maybe make it seem less daunting to people only getting one or less shares.)

-MarkM-

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OK, I'll give you my idea: a focused, specialized wiki.

Devtome doesn't have quality of standards, so there are approximately zero reasons to search information specifically on devtome. It is theoretically possible that you will find well-researched information there, but it is also possible that you will find a stub or a low-quality article. In this way devtome competes with internet as a whole: on average, results you get on devtome won't be better that results you can get via google search.

And it is hard to compete with internet

Instead people could make sections on some specific topics and optimize for quality. E.g. a sub-wiki about Bitcoin. It should be updated very frequently, categorized very well. So that when I want to get information about Bitcoin, I have an incentive to go to devcoin-sponsored wiki and get high-quality information from it.

It it doesn't sound cool enough, it is possible to market-incentivize creation of such topical sections: people should be able to invest devcoins into such sections... money which section gets from investments goes into improvement... which brings in revenue via advertisement... and that revenue is shared with investors.

I think it is cool because people get a chance to invest into web sites they like... That's (probably) a new concept.

And it can improve quality because there will be a competition between different sections, low-quality ones will die out, and high quality ones will attract visitors... at least in theory

Okay thanks. I ask because I'm working on what is going to be a free/open source game and just wondering on what qualifies/how the system works. Thanks for pointing that out and thanks for the answer, Mark

Yeah, it will work when 1,000 words is $30. But like you said we need more writers before we mark it down.

And we have to work on making Devcoins more popular before they will be worth that much per 1/5 share...

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Don't add to it yet, I have plans for that page.

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