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October 15, 2014, 01:55:17 AM
Conclusion: ______

1) either AK is a very large investor with that many coins

2) AK has access to cold wallet

3) DMF deposited all the coins to AK to "frame"

4) AK = DMF

any other possibilities?

I think AK said that:

5) he had lots of coins in his ninja balance, not invested (which explains why we didn't see the site's total invested drop as he withdrew). Also, since those coins didn't show up anywhere public on the site, they didn't need to be taken into account for the "proof of solvency" stuff. That means the site could already have been operating a fractional reserve. AK taking out his coins meant they had pretty much none left.

I think AK said he had only 50 coins on the site which he withdrew but before it was processed the site shutdown. Also based on messages I have exchanged with AK before he said he has never had more than 50 BTC balance on a site before.
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October 15, 2014, 01:46:00 AM
I guess it would make sense to agree to list all player balances greater than a certain amount (like 0.1% of the bank?) each time you do your proof of solvency.

I'd be all for regular proof-of-solvency of uninvested player and investor balances.  Only showing investor balances does provide opportunities for some sites to practice fractional reserves if uninvested balanced grows to be a larger part of the balance.  With this being not public information in standard practice.
legendary
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October 15, 2014, 01:40:40 AM
In the future, would it be beneficial for operators to also expose how much they have holding in player balances that are not invested?

At JD it was never really an issue. We had one guy who kept a couple of hundred coins in his balance, and all the rest put together maybe came to another hundred. Compared to the size of the bankroll it was less than 1%.

I guess it would make sense to agree to list all player balances greater than a certain amount (like 0.1% of the bank?) each time you do your proof of solvency.
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October 15, 2014, 01:39:44 AM
I think AK said that:

5) he had lots of coins in his ninja balance, not invested (which explains why we didn't see the site's total invested drop as he withdrew). Also, since those coins didn't show up anywhere public on the site, they didn't need to be taken into account for the "proof of solvency" stuff. That means the site could already have been operating a fractional reserve. AK taking out his coins meant they had pretty much none left.

So then what? This made ninja insolvent and they decided to run framing AK along the way? How does this explain the IP address matches from months ago?

Edit: if I'm reading the last few pages correctly, this is starting to look like either

a) a very elaborate scam by dmf, with all sorts of planted evidence and whatnot to point to one person - AK

or

b) a very careless degen action by AK who ironically happened to own a fairly good gambling site

Any other options? Stunna framing both of them somehow? Grin
sr. member
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October 15, 2014, 01:36:56 AM
Conclusion: ______

1) either AK is a very large investor with that many coins

2) AK has access to cold wallet

3) DMF deposited all the coins to AK to "frame"

4) AK = DMF

any other possibilities?

I think AK said that:

5) he had lots of coins in his ninja balance, not invested (which explains why we didn't see the site's total invested drop as he withdrew). Also, since those coins didn't show up anywhere public on the site, they didn't need to be taken into account for the "proof of solvency" stuff. That means the site could already have been operating a fractional reserve. AK taking out his coins meant they had pretty much none left.

In the future, would it be beneficial for operators to also expose how much they have holding in player balances that are not invested?

edit: this should also be a warning for players/investors.  ONCE cold wallet address is not public or fund amounts don't match (or reach the threshold) reported amount, then be wary.  DN seemed to have this issue early on.  I'm surprised people didn't scream about this earlier?
legendary
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October 15, 2014, 01:34:09 AM
Conclusion: ______

1) either AK is a very large investor with that many coins

2) AK has access to cold wallet

3) DMF deposited all the coins to AK to "frame"

4) AK = DMF

any other possibilities?

I think AK said that:

5) he had lots of coins in his ninja balance, not invested (which explains why we didn't see the site's total invested drop as he withdrew). Also, since those coins didn't show up anywhere public on the site, they didn't need to be taken into account for the "proof of solvency" stuff. That means the site could already have been operating a fractional reserve. AK taking out his coins meant they had pretty much none left.
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October 15, 2014, 01:28:36 AM
Conclusion: ______

1) either AK is a very large investor with that many coins

2) AK has access to cold wallet

3) DMF deposited all the coins to AK to "frame"

4) AK = DMF

any other possibilities?

1.AK said he never invested.
2.Maybe
3. Stupid DMF
4. hmmm...I don't know what to think.
sr. member
Activity: 323
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October 15, 2014, 01:26:33 AM
Conclusion: ______

1) either AK is a very large investor with that many coins

2) AK has access to cold wallet

3) DMF deposited all the coins to AK to "frame"

4) AK = DMF

any other possibilities?
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sucker got hacked and screwed --Toad
October 15, 2014, 01:23:46 AM
1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv was the dice.ninja cold wallet, every transaction from 6 oct until it went bust ends up in the 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q AK PD deposit address, the return addresses send the remaining funds to AK PD address and so on. Those are incidentally also the last transactions from the 1Ninja address.

I just checked out the blockchain, looking at the transactions that emptied the 1ninja cold wallet. I see a total 970 BTC being sent to AK's PD deposit address from dice.ninja's cold wallet in just 2 nights, as follows:

https://blockchain.info/tx/e2ace1184711b0f992d5f78091dd04af2e4700888dde044abd3cdbc86fadb652
30      2014-10-06 23:58:43
30      2014-10-07 00:45:52
30      2014-10-07 01:01:24
10      2014-10-07 01:37:29

https://blockchain.info/tx/340253a3532748cda3aa81d50b91213d0356b6792605abb8809fe40e0e096eab
25      2014-10-07 02:29:37
25      2014-10-07 02:35:00
25      2014-10-07 02:35:09
25      2014-10-07 02:44:26

https://blockchain.info/tx/e60378a3d5da56552dfef1d7244317d57850e0fe58f2e7f37104d61f29456ddd
25      2014-10-07 03:00:19
25      2014-10-07 03:03:57
25      2014-10-07 03:06:35
25      2014-10-07 03:41:59

https://blockchain.info/tx/c87f63d2c2d587d9186d39468e8becaaba1d8d562421ea674f222ca59f60449f
25      2014-10-07 03:54:27
35      2014-10-07 04:07:53
25      2014-10-07 04:21:08
15      2014-10-07 04:57:17

https://blockchain.info/tx/a6b8b0309eb926489e8501c6debab1b0f79c26ec1745b15ff5da9d8589d7768d
50      2014-10-07 04:59:56
50      2014-10-07 05:11:02

https://blockchain.info/tx/a662c8e47ef360928e384fe7bf8b64799aa5c7371c0823a7a257a0844d014861
75      2014-10-07 06:21:00
75      2014-10-07 06:33:22
20      2014-10-07 07:14:23

https://blockchain.info/tx/e4fc8caf4a8c2bfac57d30baf1fd611fc160d0e2ed88faa4b25f032c5e874132
20      2014-10-08 03:39:06
20      2014-10-08 03:39:10
25      2014-10-08 04:00:39
10      2014-10-08 04:13:54
20      2014-10-08 04:16:14

https://blockchain.info/tx/7b15e2c424d7c7df63875f529705429709f2beb3a260b1d0ae8cd3940245028a
50      2014-10-08 04:47:47
20      2014-10-08 05:03:19
100     2014-10-08 05:07:55
20      2014-10-08 05:45:19
15      2014-10-08 07:17:31
Conclusion: ______
legendary
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October 15, 2014, 01:21:45 AM
1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv was the dice.ninja cold wallet, every transaction from 6 oct until it went bust ends up in the 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q AK PD deposit address, the return addresses send the remaining funds to AK PD address and so on. Those are incidentally also the last transactions from the 1Ninja address.

I just checked out the blockchain, looking at the transactions that emptied the 1ninja cold wallet. I see a total 970 BTC being sent to AK's PD deposit address from dice.ninja's cold wallet in just 2 nights, as follows:

https://blockchain.info/tx/e2ace1184711b0f992d5f78091dd04af2e4700888dde044abd3cdbc86fadb652
30      2014-10-06 23:58:43
30      2014-10-07 00:45:52
30      2014-10-07 01:01:24
10      2014-10-07 01:37:29

https://blockchain.info/tx/340253a3532748cda3aa81d50b91213d0356b6792605abb8809fe40e0e096eab
25      2014-10-07 02:29:37
25      2014-10-07 02:35:00
25      2014-10-07 02:35:09
25      2014-10-07 02:44:26

https://blockchain.info/tx/e60378a3d5da56552dfef1d7244317d57850e0fe58f2e7f37104d61f29456ddd
25      2014-10-07 03:00:19
25      2014-10-07 03:03:57
25      2014-10-07 03:06:35
25      2014-10-07 03:41:59

https://blockchain.info/tx/c87f63d2c2d587d9186d39468e8becaaba1d8d562421ea674f222ca59f60449f
25      2014-10-07 03:54:27
35      2014-10-07 04:07:53
25      2014-10-07 04:21:08
15      2014-10-07 04:57:17

https://blockchain.info/tx/a6b8b0309eb926489e8501c6debab1b0f79c26ec1745b15ff5da9d8589d7768d
50      2014-10-07 04:59:56
50      2014-10-07 05:11:02

https://blockchain.info/tx/a662c8e47ef360928e384fe7bf8b64799aa5c7371c0823a7a257a0844d014861
75      2014-10-07 06:21:00
75      2014-10-07 06:33:22
20      2014-10-07 07:14:23

https://blockchain.info/tx/e4fc8caf4a8c2bfac57d30baf1fd611fc160d0e2ed88faa4b25f032c5e874132
20      2014-10-08 03:39:06
20      2014-10-08 03:39:10
25      2014-10-08 04:00:39
10      2014-10-08 04:13:54
20      2014-10-08 04:16:14

https://blockchain.info/tx/7b15e2c424d7c7df63875f529705429709f2beb3a260b1d0ae8cd3940245028a
50      2014-10-08 04:47:47
20      2014-10-08 05:03:19
100     2014-10-08 05:07:55
20      2014-10-08 05:45:19
15      2014-10-08 07:17:31
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October 15, 2014, 01:09:19 AM
Ok enough of politics. its boring.

Where are my coins?  Huh

I dont have alot of patience.


Jeez. Some people can't help but to be so ignorant and stupid.
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October 15, 2014, 12:39:49 AM
Ok enough of politics. its boring.

Where are my coins?  Huh

I dont have alot of patience.


Its funny how people have no patience on matters where it was their mistake on investing, and now they want people who are trying to help to shutup.
legendary
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October 15, 2014, 12:36:53 AM
Ok enough of politics. its boring.

Where are my coins?  Huh

I dont have alot of patience.

What the fuck do you think we're talking about?
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October 15, 2014, 12:32:48 AM
Ok enough of politics. its boring.

Where are my coins?  Huh

I dont have alot of patience.
legendary
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October 15, 2014, 12:31:48 AM
Transaction before that on Oct 8 goes from 1JvBcFjmgPJNRJYP6osMGysjGv7tvSvozD to 19V6cRgL3jHBAppRFKosrTHvZjU3mYg8Dk which goes to 1Ninja afterwards, so 19V6cRgL3jHBAppRFKosrTHvZjU3mYg8Dk is also D.N controlled, which means 188oB1TR6gNXxzyxJCyck9BHkU4dBMVmVg is the return address, but why is the same amount of 30 BTC being sent in this transaction with his own 1JvBc address as the return address? Anyway this tells us that 1JvBc owns 188oB and sends together with 1DMz3S in this transaction to BITDICE.ME COLDWALLET DIRECTLY, confirmed in this post, 1 day before the heist. Smiley

1DMz3 received 10 btc from 1DrJ6L1G72apxrZnmVPSaGmdzi3rLexvqX on Oct 8, a day before the heist, the BTC had been sitting there since June 30th, it was sent to 1Drj6L from 1DwrBhgkxf6Uy8CAtxPiQ9jPAJ61R4VY69, which is a hotwallet of some sort for Just-Dice. 122BNoyhmuUt9G9mdEm3mN4nb73c1UgNKt and 19mh3hMtrhTCkUnvN7o2gi84BGMHEzMM4g are also dooglus controlled wallets.

This transaction shows dooglus Just-Dice wallet sending 126.67 btc to 14dXN2c4R1neEdBAMpbdQSTdrwfCM91cAv, then this transaction happens, the 3 of those addresses have the BTC still sitting there, 1GsGDn then sends the btc to 19V6c D.N in this transaction.

The return address of the last transaction to the bitdice.me coldwallet is 1CSdizJPsna7RAjfY7D5XJn5CjisHuLheU, which sends btc together with 1KohH9iEhnw2XG2y56NPCd6e3QEqN5yzso in this transaction. 1Koh also sends 50 btc to bitdice.me coldwallet directly in this transaction. Both 1 day before the D.N heist.

Also, 19V6 was pretty unactive until 1 day before the heist when 1JvBc sent 27 btc.

I’ve been trying to contact Dooglus to ask who 1DrJ6 and 14dXN are but haven’t been able to talk to him yet, since that person controls addresses that directly deposit to bitdice.me I would get my money out of there, just in case it turns out to be AK/DMF.

You're right that both of those are related to Just-Dice withdrawals.

I wasn't able to follow your logic for why you suspect either of those accounts.

The two withdrawals were from two different accounts. Each of the two accounts always used its own unique IP address, from two different European countries.

Can you explain why you suspect either of them of foul play?

I can verify that this address is in the JD hot wallet:

    "address" : "1DwrBhgkxf6Uy8CAtxPiQ9jPAJ61R4VY69",
    "ismine" : true,

Edit: also, do you think you could take out the "nl/" from your links? It drives me crazy...

Edit2: I've tried again to follow your analysis. I get lost at "which goes to 1Ninja afterwards". But I wonder if all you have identified is a couple of Just-Dice accounts that withdrew their balances directly to their bitdice.me deposit addresses, and which therefore ended up in that cold wallet.
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October 15, 2014, 12:19:44 AM
I hope you guys will somehow get your coins back, if doog can confirm the owner of those last addresses as being AK/DM there is an undeniable link, the owner of those addresses still has a ton of coins... Also someone better pay me for this lol.
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October 15, 2014, 12:07:18 AM
Another developement seen in chat.
17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q is the return address on the first deposit to the Ninja Address. Someone said, AK claimed its his PD wallet address. Can we get a verification on that?

No I said that the first deposit to the 1Ninja coldwallet was by 184bpd4aMttcUBMV7QXfcPxT9V2nnMdQdQ, which is a return address for a deposit into AK's PD address in this transaction


Anyway, I am 'Imposter' on moneypot/jd/prc(don't use those sites though, have only played with bits for fun on moneypot). Anyway, when the dice.ninja heist happened livechat went wild, as I was bored I started investigating. I have had personal contact with dooglus and eric to confirm some stuff such as access times and IP addresses, however these are my own accusations. I am not financially involved in any of this, I barely ever had 2 coins to my name Smiley

I’ll put everything I know in this post, some stuff might not be highly relevant, this is everything I found, I need you guys to verify everything and do additional blockchain analysis, there might also be parts where I screwed up.

First things first, after the doxxing of Jeremy Hise refunds were being issued with 1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi as a sending address. The funds originate from 1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL(a BTC-E hotwallet). Signed messages in refund transactions confirmed the owner of the 1QAitJvHj5GqzLW6pmheGXTctEwCWR9sNi address to being DMF and T04D, the messages were signed with the 1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv key.

This small point might be relevant somehow: Eric paid profits from 25BTC MoneyPot investment by DMF to 12zy2xFBDKmP1HAZxQak8uTqQvQHSoXtSM. Together with a bunch of other coins they were sent in this transaction and ended up in the 1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv vanity cold wallet address. 1LMVVcBb95xkYJctFMYArHECzSiXNgC58E is one of the sending addresses, that address started making deposits to 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q on the 6th of October.(more on that address later)

AKCOINDIGGER was the first person to implicate “Jeremy Hise”, linked the instagram post on prcdice.eu chat, no one else had made the connection DMF->dicemasterflash->jeremy hise before. Akcoindigger was also the first one to bring up ninja.dice in chat back when it launched, a mere 8 hours after it launched.

Back to 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q, it is AK’s PD deposit address. Deposits stop at the time of the scam.

1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv was the dice.ninja cold wallet, every transaction from 6 oct until it went bust ends up in the 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q AK PD deposit address, the return addresses send the remaining funds to AK PD address and so on. Those are incidentally also the last transactions from the 1Ninja address.

Ok back to Akcoindiggers explananation of the mathing IP addresses.
DMF and AKCOINDIGGER accounts were registered on moneypot.com by ip address 206.174.121.150, Eric knows DMF account is the real DMF, but AK denies the akcoindigger as being his. They used the same ip address on both just-dice.com and moneypot.com for both accounts. AKcoindigger says he runs a tor exit node and that when he signed up on dice.ninja DMF saw his IP-> used his tor exit node. I consulted with the Tor developers, they say the historical exit node data on torproject.org is believed to be complete. However, the 206.174.121.150 was NEVER used as a Tor exit node, specifically not on July 1st 2014, when DMF logged in using that IP on just-dice.com. AK later changed his story and gave another IP that he was currently using and that he was running tor on in this thread, the atlasproject page shows that the Tor exit node was started a day after the IP accusations...

It makes no sense that DMF would use AKs IP, and even if he did why would AK come up with 2 different explanations that both turned out to be false. He didnt know the Tor project keeps a log of all the active and inactive Tor exit nodes, then he put up a Tor node after he was called out on it not realizing the time it went on would be visible as well.

Back to 1Ninja and 17U1L, the first transaction to 1Ninja is by 184bpd4aMttcUBMV7QXfcPxT9V2nnMdQdQ which is a N.D deposit address, BTC was sent to there by 14rJ52Xi9PHwnAaqCoEZSMHukSRchnRWiX, Last transaction of that address goes to 17U1L on august 25th.
AK is claiming it is a D.N return address. First transaction to 1NinjabSP8jQAVaA8y9u5fsjNpB5S22xPv is from 184bpd4aMttcUBMV7QXfcPxT9V2nnMdQdQ, that address is a return address of 14rJ52Xi9PHwnAaqCoEZSMHukSRchnRWiX when it sent to 17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q in this transaction.

These two transactions go directly from 1Ninja to 17U1L:
https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/dd632e4fa9dfee6fca505c4c46c7710a1ab70bfd97c726d42ca7703917f089cf
https://blockchain.info/nl/tx/19b9ac283e2cc52b36d84313bd24c7405f415dbdbb6d67438ab71ad19573e560
Last transaction from 1Ninja goes to 1HmvDdtxCRksPmWQ88zeKjddfc3VmkkPAm, which sends to 17U1L, the change addresses continue sending to 17U1L until 15JeYmqTKTvykUvkVMy9BZCy33h3FWL5x2 sends it to 1LMVVcBb95xkYJctFMYArHECzSiXNgC58E, a D.N controlled address, the change goes to 17DpZWsTdbSvVMBrx29WrbDT6GWDZgwXDe, which per usual sends to 17U1L again and so on and so on.


Also, 15QESooCEtbeDpDw6hMr5G7gRjMyvhzktP is a D.N address as confirmed by this transaction
Presumable a new deposit address, since it was first used on Oc 8, a day before the scam. First transaction to 15QESoo is from PD, note the 17U1L AK PD address in there?

Last withdrawal from D.N controlled 15QESooCEtbeDpDw6hMr5G7gRjMyvhzktP goes to 1JvBcFjmgPJNRJYP6osMGysjGv7tvSvozD on Oct 9.

Transaction before that on Oct 8 goes from 1JvBcFjmgPJNRJYP6osMGysjGv7tvSvozD to 19V6cRgL3jHBAppRFKosrTHvZjU3mYg8Dk which goes to 1Ninja afterwards, so 19V6cRgL3jHBAppRFKosrTHvZjU3mYg8Dk is also D.N controlled, which means 188oB1TR6gNXxzyxJCyck9BHkU4dBMVmVg is the return address, but why is the same amount of 30 BTC being sent in this transaction with his own 1JvBc address as the return address? Anyway this tells us that 1JvBc owns 188oB and sends together with 1DMz3S in this transaction to BITDICE.ME COLDWALLET DIRECTLY, confirmed in this post, 1 day before the heist. Smiley

1DMz3 received 10 btc from 1DrJ6L1G72apxrZnmVPSaGmdzi3rLexvqX on Oct 8, a day before the heist, the BTC had been sitting there since June 30th, it was sent to 1Drj6L from 1DwrBhgkxf6Uy8CAtxPiQ9jPAJ61R4VY69, which is a hotwallet of some sort for Just-Dice. 122BNoyhmuUt9G9mdEm3mN4nb73c1UgNKt and 19mh3hMtrhTCkUnvN7o2gi84BGMHEzMM4g are also dooglus controlled wallets.

This transaction shows dooglus Just-Dice wallet sending 126.67 btc to 14dXN2c4R1neEdBAMpbdQSTdrwfCM91cAv, then this transaction happens, the 3 of those addresses have the BTC still sitting there, 1GsGDn then sends the btc to 19V6c D.N in this transaction.

The return address of the last transaction to the bitdice.me coldwallet is 1CSdizJPsna7RAjfY7D5XJn5CjisHuLheU, which sends btc together with 1KohH9iEhnw2XG2y56NPCd6e3QEqN5yzso in this transaction. 1Koh also sends 50 btc to bitdice.me coldwallet directly in this transaction. Both 1 day before the D.N heist.

Also, 19V6 was pretty unactive until 1 day before the heist when 1JvBc sent 27 btc.

I’ve been trying to contact Dooglus to ask who 1DrJ6 and 14dXN are but haven’t been able to talk to him yet, since that person controls addresses that directly deposit to bitdice.me(not confirmed) I would get my money out of there, just in case it turns out to be AK/DMF.

That's what I got thus far, hope this helps.

legendary
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October 14, 2014, 11:35:08 PM
But it was the first transaction of the Ninja Address.

OK, so the change from DN stashing their first 10 BTC into cold storage was used to fund a withdrawal to AK's PD account.

That's not suspicious.

We already know AK was at DN right from the start - he posted in the JD chat about it within hours of launch.
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October 14, 2014, 11:33:02 PM
Another developement seen in chat.
17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q is the return address on the first deposit to the Ninja Address. Someone said, AK claimed its his PD wallet address. Can we get a verification on that?

May be you can make a post in the PD thread and get Stunna to check the validity of the claim.

Yes, that's his PD address.  I was watching that address the day of his massive loss to PD (10/8), and the ~10-20 BTC deposits coincided with his betting (losing) patterns.

https://blockchain.info/address/17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q

How did you know what address was his?

His betting on PD fascinated me, and somebody else happened to post this address in chat for whatever reason saying it was an address that AK gave them.  This was while AK's Oct 8th losing run was happening.  

AK had a pattern where he would deposit 20 BTC, play that as long as he could, and inevitably lose it.  The very second one of the 20 BTC transactions from that address was confirmed, he'd start betting.  Give it about 10-20 minutes and he'd suddenly stop betting, being down the exact amount the deposit from that account was.  Rinse, repeat.  The pattern correlates.

EDIT: I'm with Dooglus on this one though.  The Ninja address connection to this address doesn't mean shit.
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October 14, 2014, 11:32:12 PM
Another developement seen in chat.
17U1LyjKzm2tr8LjpYkFGtvburfyG1rd9q is the return address on the first deposit to the Ninja Address. Someone said, AK claimed its his PD wallet address. Can we get a verification on that?

There seems to be some confusion around this.

AK withdrew from DN directly to his PD deposit address. The change from that transaction was later sent directly to the DN cold wallet.

People are asking "why did the change from your PD deposit get sent to the DN cold wallet?"

And the answer is "because DN made the deposit to PD for me when I clicked the withdraw button on their site, so it was their change not mine and it's perfectly normal that they would later move their change to their other wallet".

But it was the first transaction of the Ninja Address.
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