Topic: Disable signatures/bounties til a user reaches full member status. - page 3. (Read 2471 times)

In my opinion, this will not be a victory! Since a person who has bought himself a rank, will continue to do what he did when he was lower!

I haven't read through this thread yet, but I really think we should remove signatures from lower ranks completely and then signatures should be given as a reward for people who have earned enough merit and subsequently the right to earn here via signatures. The amount of people who are signing up here just to copy and paste other's posts is ridiculous. It's both very hard to spot and incredibly time consuming for people to report and for staff to handle. Crapcoin campaigns accept them every single time and often at all ranks and are none the wiser to their abuse, whilst staff are left to clean up their mess. It doesn't matter if you get your accounts banned because it costs nothing to create and bot accounts here which most of them are likely doing and who cares if your lose a Junior Member? Start again or use one of the others from your stockpile. I've probably banned over 50 users today alone all copying other's posts that krishnapramod has reported and the reports keep flooding in.

I mean, what other alternatives are there here? The longer we do nothing about this spam the worse it gets and there will likely be a breaking point where theymos just has enough of all the nonsense and hassle and removes signatures all together, but then everybody is penalised for the greed and desperation of others and the people who came here just to abuse bounties will leave as quickly as they came. Let people earn their right to earn from posting here, and let the chaff just collect their bounties in the bounty boards until they manage to earn some merit, but don't let them pollute the rest of the forum or be the cause of removal of all signatures completely.

Also, I still think we should include some paid donator ranks like Copper Member (Silver & Gold Member etc) that come with the benefits of higher ranks (ie bigger signatures like Senior and Hero). If people are complaining that it takes too long to get merit then let them pay to bypass those restrictions. Give the money to charity or something. It's win win in my opinion).

This is still a much better suggestion compared to removing signatures for all of the users. There are some quality signature campaigns and hard working campaign managers still on site, so it's better to regulate it instead of banning it...
I usually don't belive that those jr. members and newbies posting in the alt section are not bots, simply, they post rubbish, I just can't belive they are humans and do this manually day by day...
So if they are bots (or people who don't speak English) and they leave, the forum won't lose anything but only traffic (which is still important, if we want to be the first and most active bitcoin related forum, prior to reddit, etc...)
I just feel sorry for the very few newbies, who come here to learn about bitcoin (really) because they will suffer because of the shitposter army... if we implement some strict regulation for the newbies, jr. members, etc...
If anyone had found a simple solution for this problem, it would have been implemented already, so there's no simple solution at all. If there will be a solution, that will hurt, the question is whom and how much...
You just can't report all of the spammers and get them banned, because if you get one banned, two or three new shitposter will register immediately... (unfortunately, even if you won't get one banned, the new shitposters would still register...)

The primary perceived benefit of an increased rank is the ability to earn more from signature spamming. Obviously this leads to the idea that increasing merits means an increase in earning ability, regardless of contributions to the forum or the community here.

Lets be honest, the only reason you are likely here is to earn and if signatures did get removed then you sorts of people would leave the very same day and never return

Disable all the signatures,dont be biased,there is no one here in the right position to remove the ability to earn of anyone.
Being here first doesnt mean that you are in a good position to tell us what to do.If theymos really wanted this thing a long time ago why he didnt tried to? because its unfair to the newcomers.

Disable all the signatures,dont be biased,there is no one here in the right position to remove the ability to earn of anyone.
Being here first doesnt mean that you are in a good position to tell us what to do.If theymos really wanted this thing a long time ago why he didnt tried to? because its unfair to the newcomers.

Disable all the signatures,dont be biased,there is no one here in the right position to remove the ability to earn of anyone.
Being here first doesnt mean that you are in a good position to tell us what to do.If theymos really wanted this thing a long time ago why he didnt tried to? because its unfair to the newcomers.

I'm sure most of you have noticed the overwhelming amount of merit begging posts or posts about merit in general. Most of the reason these users are begging so hard for the merit is due to earnings in signature campaigns.

You can also look in the altcoins sections and see the thousands of accounts who are only making posts in bounty campaigns. Claiming facebook, twitter, telegram, etc. Quite  a few of those accounts are also being accused of being connected in the reputation section. ALT ALT ALT or whatnot.

The main reason I am adding bounties into this post is due to the overwhelming amount of users who apparently cannot read. I try to get users to use google forms in bounty campaigns when I decide to run 1, but users insist on not reading a bounty thread and just posting their tweets and shares in the bounty thread, creating a bunch of useless spam. Should there be penalties for this? My personal opinion is idk. It could go either way honestly.

Bounties IMO are mainly social media focused or at least should be. I won't allow a company to use a bounty for their signature campaign. That must be ran on a bitcoin paying basis only to prevent some of the useless spam that bounty campaigns create with running signature campaigns in them.

I'd like to see all bounty managers adopt this practice but of course I cannot make that happen.

I know this topic has been touched on and passed over a few times, but I feel like it's time to really take a serious look at the request.

There are obviously good and bad things that will come from this being put into place. Good things being eventually these shit posters and "bounty hunters" will lose interest and stop visiting the forum thinking they're gonna make billions from the many worthless tokens that are announced.

Bad things being of course the same issue. The forum will lose some users who cannot rank up and earn due to not getting merits for their shit posts. More how do I get merit threads will be made because users are too goddamn lazy to search and read the 5000 threads on merit that already exist.

Overall though we will get rid of a bunch of trashposters and maybe they will take down the signs in their internet cafes that read, "Go to bitcointalk.org to feed your family" My goal in this post is not to take away from bitcointalk traffic or harm the forum in any other way, but just take a look around and look at the shit that's posted mainly. The economy section is filled with spammers, the altcoin section is even worse.

At the very least, lets use this thread to have a healthy discussion on ways to improve the forum. I'm sure some of you have better ideas than this, so I'd like to hear them and maybe theymos can chime in with some of his thoughts.

I'm not against advertising or users earning money, but when that's their main focus , it does nothing to help the forum or community grow. If you have a useful suggestion, then by all means post it here and lets get the ball rolling on some ways to improve things around here.

Maybe this would be really unfair to those who are still in the Member Rank just like me, I really dont intend to do some shitposts in this community just to earn my post counts needed in my bounty campaign, and as for the Merit Distribution it is now getting a little bit short.
Although I'm really aware of, on how it is done but still the fact that the users that are commonly known here are just the ones whose being given some Merits again and again.

As we can see it is not just the newbies, jr members who are causing this forum to be flooded by useless posts. Although you have the point that the majority of spammers are being done by those noobs.

Being stuck here ( Member Status with 34 Merits ) isn't a bad thing i suppose?, but now i think it is. How about enforcing the noobs to study first or making their limits from posting.

Newbies - only 1 post per day, can't post if its not more than a hundred words ( if the post is good  as shit then it would be deleted immediately )
Jr. Member - only 1-3 post per day ,can't post if its not more than a hundred words ( if the post is good  as shit then it would be deleted immediately ), 5 Merits Requirement Before joining campaigns, Only from this rank with Merit can put some signatures for the campaign
Members-1-5 post per day, 15 Merits Requirement Before joining campaigns
Full Member 1-5 post per day, 120 Merits (or depends if the 100 Merits is accumulated not by default ) Requirement Before joining campaigns

Just Make The Merits Be A Requirement For Joining Campaigns

And I think it is the CM's job to evaluate the campaign member's post whether it is a useless or not.

Many Threads should be locked up first before implementing such rules.

While someone asks about where people get updates of Airdrop, of course I will not redirect him/her to binance.com

As per your theory, the possibility of being an alt account (OP- yahoo) is 85%?

That's the problem actually. Newbie join and think of having merit. They give a try showing some concerns for forum as you did and then realize, it's not enough and they leave.

So, the limitation will not bring any value.

your first post was about airdropalert

username ending with numbers (85% out of 100 with numbers are alts, kobita*, kobita**, kobita***)

I don't think it will reduce the level of spamming. Jr members can be removed from signature campaigns, member should be accepted.
If we really care about this issue, why don't we start restriction while we manage campaign. As a bounty manager, you can put restriction. For example, if we do have a look on Service(Bitcoin), most of the campaign are limited to full member, in some cases, it's limited to sr member.
However, we also can limit with merits. For example, members can participate if he/she has 50+ merits, full member- 150 merits and thus. If we require only full member for participating in campaign, result will be same cause we have a huge amount of full member by default.

In this post I have done position analysis on Bitcointalk users in range from id=1'000'000 to id=2'000'000. Users with this range of id's were registered from 2017/05/11 to 2018/04/03.

Without further ado, Here is the distrubution of postions of second million bitcointalk users

• Brand New   733503   73,35%
• Newbie         212864   21,28%
• Jr. Member    33395     3,34%
• Member        13682     1,36%
• Full Member  6334       0,63%
• Sr.Member     222        0,02%
• Hero               0            0%
• Legendary      0            0%

How we can see there is no Hero and Legendary users, this is not surprising since these positions requires high level of activity .

P.s. If you have any ideas on what kind of information you would like to see, let me know.

Here is the link to first part: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.34863787

At the moment, the only benefit members derive from merit awards is the removal of the progressive ranking barriers. The primary perceived benefit of an increased rank is the ability to earn more from signature spamming. Obviously this leads to the idea that increasing merits means an increase in earning ability, regardless of contributions to the forum or the community here. Somehow we need to change the idea that "merits mean money", and to introduce some other benefits for the receivers of merits for quality forum contributions.

This completely ignores the fact that most high-ranking members didn't join bitcointalk to shitpost for bounties.  That's a relatively recent development, and by limiting or prohibiting signature advertising in the lower ranks, it discourages people from making new accounts and ruining the forum with shitposting. 

I don't see a lot of Heros and Legendaries making a living here by writing complete nonsense.  That's almost exclusively a noob issue.  It also sounds like you're extremely butthurt about the merit airdrop back in January.  That happened because I think Theymos realizes the higher ranks have earned their way to those ranks.  In addition, most of the merit abuse I've seen has been with the lower ranks, which is not surprising since they're the ones who want it the most.