Topic: Disadvantages of non detectable early Plagiarism - page 3. (Read 943 times)

When a post is written this badly (see snippet above), I just tune it out completely.  OP, even if I could completely understand what you're trying to say, what's your point?  What you've written looks very much like an attempt to earn merit.  Why?  The post is in Meta, where a great deal of merits circulate; it's about plagiarism, which seems to be a trending topic lately (though I don't know why, because it's nothing new); and you've taken a stance--I think--in line with pretty much every merit source and senior member who might have sMerits to give.

We don't need another thread about plagiarism.  Members are going to keep doing it, and they're going to become more clever about how they go about it.  There's nothing to do but report it when we see it.  Period.

Ok! I remember I came across this rule but as a newbie. Maybe I'll go through the rules again.
What I discussed is that some things that are allowed in the forum are not done at will. It might be because there is no way to control it, then it will just be allowed. Like scam not being moderated and even the sales of account.

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The statement that something is allowed and at same time discouraged is somewhat ambiguous.

There shouldn't be any reason as all possible reasons had been eliminated. Before the introduction of copper membership, project wanting to make an announcement on the forum, buy account to do so since newbie account weren't given the privilege of posting images but now things has changed as with just few dollars you can bypass most of the newbie restrictions and make your announcement.

I think the reason behind the unofficial banning of buying and selling of account on the forum is as a result of the level of farming that was ongoing on the forum before the introduction of the merit system. This farmers wee basically spamming and this was causing a nuisance on the forum.

Secondly any account that change hands wasn't to be trusted as a result of the risk involved, imagining someone buying a trusted account and the level of harm he can commit. You don't have any reason why you should buy an account, if you want to learn then start the learning process from the beginning.

Not only the words, but the image.

Common steps and use similar or different words, it is too much coincidence.
Image, how the writer got that image?

If it is from any article and if from the article you shown, it is a proof that the content is likely copied and pasted with some minor word changes.

344 merit and 251 merit is from local friends. 3 topics to teach the plagiarism received merits from local friends too.

Sent 170 merit and 118 to local friends.

https://bpip.org/Profile?p=GeorgeJohn

It seems from what GeorgeJohn says that he recognizes that he did something wrong.


But are you trying you memorize it without having used Bitcoin ATMs many times? I haven't, but I have used cash ATMs thousands of times and I can tell you from memory the steps (the last time was yesterday, although I guess the steps can change from country to country):

1) Insert your debit or credit card.
2) Select language
3) Enter PIN.
4) Select "withdraw"
5) Select or type in the amount.
6) Take the cash
7) Choose if you want a printed receipt
Choose if you want to do another transaction.
9) Take your card.

I've just written this from memory and I've googled it and I see quite similar results. That's what I meant when I said that for someone used to using Bitcoin ATMs a lot, the steps would be common knowledge. Those are not original thoughts that I've copied, it's not like I am pretending that the general theory of relativity is an original thought of mine.

I can’t recall if I did, and the historical report window only displays the most recent 30 day window. The fact that the thread was deleted denotes that is was likely reported by someone, and that the moderator took action to delete it (which often happens when a plagiarized post is deleted). Nevertheless, there may have been a tinkle of doubt on the moderator’s behalf, who therefore likely decided to act no further, giving the benefit of the doubt at the time.

Interesting sidenote exercise: Anyone who has fully read the thread so far, try to see if they can now enumerate the 10 steps mentioned on a given post within this thread, in the same order, and bearing a similar concept on each step. I got 4 out of 10 matching order and concept (others items I listed were rather distant on both accounts), having read it twice beforehand. What a memory of mine …

Thought: I’ve often thought that there could be a number of fault points per account, whereby each rule infringement reduced the amount depending on the broken rule, leading to scaled bans when the balance was under a certain threshold. Not going to happen I figure, but I’d ponder such a module (with some added complexities I can think of).

Edit:
I don’t want to derail the topic too much here, but your list, whilst bearing logical steps, is not that close a match to the lists I mentioned before, which bear an exact match between them in order and concept per item on the list, with somewhat different wording.

Oh, my God! It is sometimes very helpful to read the responses of the people in the thread you are creating. First, at least the previous answer. You should not write in a personal, proving something. Moreover, I didn’t blame you.
Another thing is, why to create regularly the same type of topic ?
No comments.
 

That thread was made when i was a member, and at period i never go through the rules and regulations of the community or master the community criteria, and after the post been reported to moderator for a while it was wiped, because i used my initiative to write almost of them, so that prompted me to make this thread to new users, and i do that repeatedly to newbies to read the rules and regulations of community first before anything, because during my time of newbies i was not opportune to read the rules in time to know system, go through my profile the topic is not there, it's happens because i have no guidance, just cross check thread and see when it happens, long time ago and its not longer in my profile.

I have seen that the thread is no longer in its post history. It's strange to me because I thought they were going to the "archival" section. In that section there is a thread:

Delete

but I don't think it's the thread we're talking about, because I think the answers from other forum users would be there.

In any case I agree with lovesmayfamilis:


In my opinion, which does not have to coincide with that of the moderators and Theymos, even if he plagiarized that one time, just that one time, and deleted the thread, no drastic consequences should be taken. Just a warning would do.

Really, funny. For the OP, this is the third topic about the same thing.
OP, have you discovered something new? In the previous threads, you have decently raised the amount of merit. We can see that you are pleased. In this case, create a directory of recommendations from GeorgeJohn, which we will contact in case of problems with plagiarism.

What @GeorgeJohn and @mk4 cases are different, that is true a common definition is not a plagiarism, but on @GeorgeJohn thread he multiple times mention unrelated words. If @GeorgeJohn really know how to use Bitcoin ATMs, he should know what the difference between both of scan and scam. Those radars he wrote also doesn't make sense, for me that is he took someone article and translate it without read twice what the google translate wrote.

I do not see a flagrant case of plagiarism there. It is similar, yes, but that can be written from memory by someone who is used to how Bitcoin ATMs work, it is common knowlegde. As mk4 said:



DdmrDdmr talks about it being similar, I think if he had seen plagiarism he would have reported it.

On forum rules number 18 said account sales are allowed, but discouraged. What does discouraged mean? to let know members who trust user A isn't controlled by A person anymore, which is you can gave negative trust to the account if you didn't trust him again or you could gave neutral trust as for your own notes.
To be honest I don't see any reason why someone need to buy an account except participating in Bounties or Signature campaign, any opinions?



Read @DdmrDdmr replies below the thread.

@DdmrDdmr post provide a link to buy Bitcoin in ATMs

@GeorgeJohn thread
Close isn't? what is scam wallet lol, this is proof @GeorgeJohn direct copy paste an article.

Accounts sale purchase is on high since there are bounties that only allow senior/ legendary/hero members to participate. Majority buys account with this intention. Its like a shortcut of sitting with high profile members while you are a newbie.
One method to discourage sale of account is to allow newbies to join the bounty campaigns but reward is based only on level of content they post.



AFAIk, its not allowed to sale or purchase bitcointalk.org account. Count me in for people looking for reference where it says "its allowed".

You are referring to OP, I understand. I would like you to clarify this. Are you saying we have another pokapoka124 case? In the archived link I can't see any evidence of plagiarism, and if so it should have been reported.

Also, if it was just one time, it would maybe happen as in the case of Mpamaegbu. I think someone who only plagiarized once, maybe twice at most in the forum (depending on the case), especially if his contribution to the forum is positive, should be dealt from a lenient perspective.

You plagiarized and how many times you tried to teach about plagiarism.

Disadvantages of non detectable early Plagiarism
My taught of plagiarism, spamming and scam in forum.
Plagiarism in newbies

https://archive.md/deG17

I am surprised to know from you that account selling is not against the forum rules. Can you please give me a link to any thread or rule that states thus?.
Account selling without public announcement will be suicidal and defamatory. I cannot imagine for instance @The Pharmacist account is sold and another personality now behind the account.
It means transfer of reputation;
Transfer of Trust
And transfer of identity to someone else. Users can actually hide behind another man's reputation and scam many.

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It seems I'm being curious for nothing. If one actually wants to sell his account, no one will stop him/she because he owns the computer, the account, the email as well as the password. But tbh it's not pleasant to the ear.

Does it seem you didn't understand what actually is plagiarism?

Read this

Source: google.com

Plagiarism is not a crime don't treat it as a crime it's prohibited here on the forum due to copyright and fraud and without proper credit to the author, it must be punished.

And this is not a law this is a rule here on the forum and it's prohibited not only here on the forum but it's all over the internet.

I am not surprised that some newbies are getting banned because of plagiarism. Even though many high ranking forum users provide links for newbies to read abd learn before posting something to avoid getting banned and yet mostly newbies tend to plagiarise. Even the higher rank also plagiarise. There are some that will get a second chance and avoid getting banned unless they do it again. It happen especially for those who contributed a lot to the forum.

Apparently, the plagiarism rule is one of the most reverence rule in the forum and it so much stands out. If only the newbies and other beginners could visit the LoyceV's report thread Report plagiarism (copy/paste) here. Mods: please give temp or permban as needed on meta and perhaps pay regular visit to the Reputation sub board, then they would realise what it actually means to blatantly plagiarise someone's content. The problem often starts while the users are still beginners in the forum, being ignorant of the rules and not having ideas to make good contributions to the forum. Unfortunately, ignorance and being a beginner is not much of an adorned excuse.
It's so unfortunate when old mistakes catch up to ranked up users. This is why the plagiarism awareness post is one of the most preached subject of the forum.