Topic: Discontinued: Lancelot (Heavy Duty 400 Mega hashes, 2 x FPGA Mining Board) - page 19. (Read 86538 times)

eep - and i thought i was the cranky one here

Haters gonna hate
Makers gonna make

 

yes +1.

I already received 6 boards in 2 orders, atx board, cables...everything now hashing fine. company support is also in place and ready to help almost whole day.

btw last time, when I discuss with this funny guy, he told me, that I'm just a virtual puppet working for blackarrow and I'm not real.)

I think it is quite hilarious to make possible credit card fraud accusations against a company that sells card readers. Did no one see the irony yet?

I think it is quite amusing. Especially considering that everyone is well served, proper business mentality has been held up, delivery has been below two weeks for some amend proper communication...

The whole individual escrow thing works only in bit coin land. If you do this stuff internationally, outside of bit coin, you ask for an agency to take care of these things. And lo and behold, one of the biggest proponents of this for smaller consumers is paypal, whom everybody hates with a vengeance...

Awesome

Only problem is the 27th just is not coming fast enough XD
Cant wait mate Nice work

27th is the soonest. Our staff is right now in the factory. Once produced, we will still need to test them. We'll probably work through the weekend (again).

We've waited until today so we can gather as many FPGA as we could. We're pretty sure that there are no more Spartan 6 in stock anywhere in China.

The current schedule is:

Next batch: 27th of May (already sold but not everybody paid therefore some customers might still get into this batch)
Then: 10th of June (v. small batch, we doubt that the factory will make them)
Then: 27th of June (big batch, will clear all our queue)

Regards!

Nice work

Back on topic

Is the 3rd batch still due to ship on the 27th ?? or have we made it possible to get it sooner ??

Agree. I did some digging and the troll behaviour of vonrathburg is not permitted in this forum. I've reported this to the moderator and deleted all my replies to his posts as being off-topic.

WE have many in our HANDS. Sure they could just not ship a group order. But why. 99% of scams are when they don't have a product like bfl. Black arrow has a product, they have no incentive to scam you.

Idiots are always worried about getting scammed. They nitpick. And what happens is they end up getting scammed because a scam produced fake documents, etc. that these idiots were looking for.

Smart people learn to look for people's core motives. Black arrow has produced these, their core motive is to sell them, not scam you. You'll be much better off in life if you start being smart, not a loser dip shit.

I recently auctioned a pyramining account. Idiots questioned that yes I would still have the private keys to my pyramining address, these idiots also missed out investing at half price. Smart people bid because they understood my core motive of being over pyramining having invested impulsively and my core motive was to move on in life, not scam someone for 0.8 btc.

Well Said Kanno

All my Extra bits are here now 10Port Hub and PSU cant wait for the 27th for my devices to get Shipped
Keep up the good work BlackArrow we who have ordered and paid and received appreciate it

I'm wondering what the point of all this is?

Blackarrow has already produced and shipped a lot of boards.

You upset about something and didn't get yours how you wanted them? ... go complain to someone who cares ... you didn't lose any money or even put down any money ... so less than politely - piss off.

I support black arrow and I hate people who are too scared of buying stuff on the internet. They are usually the ones who do end up getting scammed.

As we said, we will take escrow, after we finish the order queue. However, given the escrow's conditions (no ID, no contract) we will not accept more than $10000 in escrow.

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I get:


Every legal company in China has to register with the government. Perhaps, blackarrow could provide us with the missing information from the above document. If you have nothing to hide why worry about it? You're just a professional, well run business.

Last time I checked via public record Alexandru Ion Sovu was the director of Black Arrow Limited in China.


I recommend you make up your mind if he is your director, your reseller in the UK, or if you are actually him.

For 20 units, what are you worried about? Clearly orders are being shipped.

DHL do COD, maybe that's an option.

I concur with Beaflag VonRathburg on the escrow. No escrow = no go on my 20 unit order. Even though you said you would take the escrow in earlier messages, you also said it put me at the end of the line. By that time it wouldn't be worth it.

I've never had problems with BTC using escrow. I have had problems without using it. Especially for multi-thousand dollar orders...

See from my pics (on Flickr are at full resolution) if any of the dipswitches are in the wrong position, maybe they have been moved during the assembly? You have 2 groups of 4 (but are covered by a thin layer of transparent plastic, so it's very difficult to touch tem), and 4 on the top side, nearby the fan connector.

Please, quote the whole conversation instead of taking the pieces of it out that you prefer to respond to. Blackarrow, please don't get upset, start questioning my ability to broker purchases, or call me, "Obviously a difficult and problematic person". Personal attacks get you nowhere in this. All I am doing is wanting to know who Alexandru Ion Sovu, who named in the document above is an idividual guilty of credit card fraud and manufacturing false credit cards is, and how he fits into your business. Thank you for answering this.

To answer your questions directly. I am currently in the process of importing 88 FPGA boards from China through another company as a group purchase. I am personally ordering 3 and 85 are with other people's money with an actual declared value of $14500 USD through John K for escrow. With importing the boards all I am paying is:

Shipping paid for by seller = $0.00
Merchandising processing fee .003464% of cargo + freight value = $50.23
Airport handling fee = $60
Bond fee $5.50 / $1000 of value = $79.75
Broker customs clearance fee = $125
Total = $314.98

In our dealing I had received confirmation of interest for 163 boards. At that point in time you had one person who had confirmation 3 boards which was only part of their order. You had interest from our 163 boards + probably at least another 150 in from other people. I don't know what else you would qualify as needing interest to order the FPGAs.

"Let me repeat and state the facts. Any intelligent person should figure this out:
1. You are asking us to send merchandise from our own money ($44825) to you
2. with an uninsured package (as you're worried about how much you'll pay for the customs).
3. In the same time, you wish to send money to a person from this forum who is refusing to provide an ID and to sign any contract.

I do not know where you live, but loosing $44825 would get us bankrupt."

1. That is how escrow works. On confirmation of receiving the package the funds would've be released. This would take a total of 3-5 business days from the time you shipped the package. I don't know how that would bankrupt your company? Perhaps you could elaborate on that.
2. I only wanted to know how importing these boards would work and the associated costs. You were not able to answer this or provide me with any related information: HTS code, shipping costs, etc... You immediately stated that it would be cheaper to fly to China and pay with cash or BTC in person.
3. John K. was going to be the escrow agent. If you don't accept escrow from John K, I don't know who you would accept it from.

Cost comparison:
Ticket to China: from your quote $1530 along with 23 hours and 52 minutes of travel time to get to China.

Importing cost:
Merchandise processing fee .003464 of $44825 = $155.27
Airport handling fee = $60
Bond fee: $246.54
Duty using proper HTS code = $0
Broker - customs clearance entry = $125

Total = $586.81 + the cost of shipping.

Now, if shipping doesn't cost greater than $943.19 it would cost less than flying to China. That trip to China would also include 49 hours of round trip travel time and the associated travel costs of the trip for food, parking, taxis, hotel, etc... which aren't factored into the ticket price.

The main issue is that shipping wouldn't cost $943.19. The company I'm dealing with spent $186 on shipping 88 FPGA boards that are larger that the Lancelot units insured through EMS Speedpost. Even if your carrier charges a plus size package fee it could easily be split into multiple insured packages below the plus size threshold. As a worst case scenario if the packages were lost or damaged you would receive payment for them as they would be insured and our escrow would be returned to us by John K. That process provides a safety net for both buyer and seller. Whereas flying across the world with $44825 in cash provides absolutely zero safety, in fact it takes even puts the safety factor at a negative value due to the risk of robbery, customs issues, murder, etc...

Just so I am clear as well. I ordered BFL fpga singles from BFL over a year ago and have never dealt with Avalon. You are correct in the way that they operate their business does not make sense and as such I choose not to do business with them. It is a personal choice that everyone should be able to make. I feel that in making this decision everyone should do their due diligence in investigating who they send large amounts of non reversible payment to. It is only common sense. Do you disagree with this?

Alexandru Ion Sovu may be a fantastic business person for you now, but that will never change the fact that he previously robbed people and businesses. Being someone who has fallen victim to credit card fraud i can attest to the fact that it is not a fun thing to deal with. I was without any money for 8 days at the end of the month while all of my bills were due. Thankfully, I was able to prove that fraud had occurred and acquire a deferred payment date. To consider though that the person doing this was spending it on motorcycle parts and other items for personal gain at the expense of someone else is rather horrifying to me.

If you choose not to do business with me because I request escrow that is your choice. It is also one of the same reasons I choose not to do business with you. Bitcoin mining is a business solely about the bottom line. If you can't guarantee a quantity of items available for purchase, confirm delivery on a solid timeline, and / or a safe way to provide payment I don't want to deal with you. I will take my business elsewhere as I have done. I feel other should be able to make the decision of who they send payment to for themselves, which is why I posted this information. Again, do you disagree? For those that do choose to do business with you I hope that everyone works out for them as it has so far and just as I hope it works out for everyone involved in purchasing items from BFL or Avalon. Having your money stolen is not something anyone should have to deal with.